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Main Boards => General Walking Discussion => Topic started by: Owen on 13:55:41, 23/02/19
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Came across this the other day.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-47330924
Could have been a bit of a shock.
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;D O0
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It looks like the Wolf was so exhausted that it was unable to put up any protest.
Thankfully it was rescued from a near certain death.
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They made a bit of a howler there.
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I would imagine it will give the men paws for thought, if there’s a next time ;)
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Pack it in, you lot.
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Canis lupus glacialis O0
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Howling with laughter here ;)
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He wouldn't have had the opportunity to fang(k) them for what they did.
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The worst that could have happened
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/43/7a/f4/437af44dede270e3dc770ec767826bf1.jpg (https://i.pinimg.com/736x/43/7a/f4/437af44dede270e3dc770ec767826bf1.jpg)
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They were barking up the wrong tree.
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You are a wag!
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If you want to see photos of WOLF HUNTING in North America go to "Long Range Hunting" to the forums list and the Wolf Hunting sub forum.
You will see some very large (up to 150 lbs.max.) wolves and some videos of hunts. One guy in particular in Montana is pretty much THE wolf hunter. In one video he calls a single wolf from am pack of 7 that was eating a deer carcass about 2,000 meters across a frozen lake. He only made two distressed rabbit calls and the wolf crossed the lake to him. He shot it at about 200 meters. DRT! (Dead Right There) with one shot.
WARNING: "This video may be too graphic for some viewers."
Eric B.
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WARNING: "This video may be too graphic for some viewers."
Anything to do with hunting and shooting wild animals is too graphic for me.
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Any form of animal cruelty disgusts me.
There is the unfortunate need to cull animals, that are either diseased or need putting out of their pain and misery.
Hunting for sport, there's no such thing, its just the unsavoury aspect of humanity enjoying the power and pleasure of destroying creatures that it knows cannot fiigt back.
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Killing for fun. God's creatures destroyed on a selfish whim. The main reason I and many others love walking in the countryside is to savour and enjoy what wilderness is and should mean to us. The delight in destroying that nature is horrific.
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I don't understand how anyone can derive pleasure from killing a magnificent animal.
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Why do you feel the need to hunt wolves? You don't eat them.
As I understand it they were extinct or very near extinct in North America outside of Alaska and Canada in the early 20 century. Only now 80 years on are they re-establishing themselves in their old territory,and you're still killing them.
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Sorry Eric, you've hit on one of the differences between the UK and the USA.
It appears that hunting wild animals is considered OK in large parts of the USA and Canada while here it isn't generally seen as acceptable.
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Hunting is one of the major cultural differences between the US and the UK. Our trans-Atlantic cousins love a bit of hunting and shooting and bow-hunting, we seem to be trying to ban it all.
It's weird though, lots of Brits are animal lovers, as evidenced by several replies on this very thread, then nip out for a burger or a kebab and love a bacon sandwich or a Sunday Roast! It's like we want our killing done at arms length. If you are going to eat it, you should be willing to kill it, and conversely, if you aren't willing to kill it, you shouldn't be willing to eat it.
Oh, and all those leather walking boots we all enjoy wearing, they aren't made from lettuce you know, they are made from dead things that have been killed so your feet stay reasonably dry and comfortable.
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So are you a vegan, maggot? :-\ Or do you break the law by killing your own meat in an unhygienic and painful way? Having had to deal with two muntjac deers hit by traffic, I can assure you that this is nothing like watching overweight SAS wannabees on you tube pretending to be free spirited people, it is not a pleasant thing to have to do.
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So are you a vegan, maggot? :-\ Or do you break the law by killing your own meat in an unhygienic and painful way? Having had to deal with two muntjac deers hit by traffic, I can assure you that this is nothing like watching overweight SAS wannabees on you tube pretending to be free spirited people, it is not a pleasant thing to have to do.
Why are you being hyper-questioning of me?
No, I love a bit of meat, I am also willing to do the deed if needs be. I shoot and grew up on a farm, I get the cycle of life and the food chain, and we are at the top.
My point is that everyone is all of a sudden an animal lover and intolerant of animal cruelty, well let me ask you, have you ever been to a chicken processing plant. They do indeed pass all the welfare checks, but being hung upside by my feet and dipped in a bath of electrified warm water is not how I intend to leave this life. Given the choice between that or a single bullet from a high powered rifle in my head without me knowing it was coming would do me.
So all in all, as long as skilled people are involved, munching my dinner and getting a surprise bullet in the head versus being herded into a lorry, driven 50 miles, then getting unloaded into a barn smelling of death and blood, I think I know what most of us would prefer?
It is very hypocritical to criticise others for animal cruelty while wearing leather boots, tucking into a burger sat on a leather sofa.
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I doubt if a shot wolf is eaten though ::)
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Killing to eat or control a species that has no remaining natural predators is one thing. (actually two things). Killing for a trophy, the thrill or in the name of sport is something completely different and unnecessary, particularly on top of the general human impact on wildlife.
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I doubt if a shot wolf is eaten though ::)
No, it's almost certainly not eaten by humans. It would still be eaten by animals, possibly it is dog food for the hunters dogs?
My point is that we do lots of bad things as humans, including as people who probably quite like being outdoors and keen to help the environment and the fauna of an area. And we do it, mostly, by buying things we don't need that are made from animals (I bet most of us have more than one pair of walking boots?), we drive to the great outdoors and moan about the amount traffic on the roads. We use single use plastic bottles, there are loads of threads on here along the lines of "What have you bought now?" well your latest plastic widget did not walk to your house did it? We are all obsessed with having the latest, newest, thing, delivered quickly and who cares what it took to make it or get it to you, but shoot a wolf and expect hell to come your way ::)
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Maggot, I hope you don't think we are all picking on you it is just that you are the person espousing a different view to the rest of us.
I try not to do unnecessary harm to the environment but I am self aware enough to realise that anything I do is middle-class tinkering. But the logical conclusion of your argument is that if I have a leather watch strap I can't complain if someone harpoons a whale.
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I can accept that subjects like this are complicated but to kill for pleasure, or as a so called 'sport', or as a 'hobby' is pretty gross to me. If the warnings are correct we humans are on a path to kill anything that moves, or swims in the sea, on the planet.
I sometimes meet such people when I go running. I always have a nag or a tut-tut at them. It all depends if they are carrying a gun or not!. Sorry, but its in my make up, just can't resist it! In the past two years, I've always asked them if they voted Remain or Leave. Not very many people I know, but interestingly they have always given me the same answer!
I wonder how many USA 'hunters' voted for Mr Trump?
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I can accept that subjects like this are complicated but to kill for pleasure, or as a so called 'sport', or as a 'hobby' is pretty gross to me. If the warnings are correct we humans are on a path to kill anything that moves, or swims in the sea, on the planet.
I sometimes meet such people when I go running. I always have a nag or a tut-tut at them. It all depends if they are carrying a gun or not!. Sorry, but its in my make up, just can't resist it! In the past two years, I've always asked them if they voted Remain or Leave. Not very many people I know, but interestingly they have always given me the same answer!
I wonder how many USA 'hunters' voted for Mr Trump?
We do as much damage with profligate desires to own more kit. It takes approximately 7,600 litres of water to make a pair of denim jeans, and half the planet can't get decent drinking water!
Just in case you are interested GWM, and I guess you won't be as it is rather inconvenient, but your new super coat is manufactured by one of the worst performing companies in the sector for sustainability https://rankabrand.org/sportswear-sports-shoes/Champion (https://rankabrand.org/sportswear-sports-shoes/Champion) Indeed it is ranked "Do not buy" due to their poor levels of sustainable and ethical practices. So I guess that pretty much makes you a Leave Voting Trump Supporter eh ;D
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Maggot, I hope you don't think we are all picking on you it is just that you are the person espousing a different view to the rest of us.
I try not to do unnecessary harm to the environment but I am self aware enough to realise that anything I do is middle-class tinkering. But the logical conclusion of your argument is that if I have a leather watch strap I can't complain if someone harpoons a whale.
No problem, I am chill with it O0
I guess it's easy to be outraged by someone shooting a wolf with your dog sat on your lap and tucking into a bacon sandwich, it just doesn't make any sense to me. Is it because wolves (and whales) are viewed as majestic and gracious, where as cows and salmon are seen as thick and stupid?
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I often wonder how keen hunters would be on the hunt if they had to do it on the prey's terms rather than from 500 yards with a rifle. :D
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I often wonder how keen hunters would be on the hunt if they had to do it on the prey's terms rather than from 500 yards with a rifle. :D
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No problem, I am chill with it O0
I guess it's easy to be outraged by someone shooting a wolf with your dog sat on your lap and tucking into a bacon sandwich, it just doesn't make any sense to me. Is it because wolves (and whales) are viewed as majestic and gracious, where as cows and salmon are seen as thick and stupid?
Not at all, there's a lot of difference between killing an animal because you're going to eat it and use it's skin for boots and killing just because you get off on the act of killing. Because you enjoy wasting that animals life. We don't eat wolves, we don't need whale oil. These animals are being driven to the brink of extinction just for the sadistic pleasure of killing. Meat from livestock is managed so it is sustainable, wild animal stock isn't managed and is ever depleting. If we carry on killing at the rate we are presently we'll end up with just Homo Sapiens alone on a sterile planet and no future.
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Not at all, there's a lot of difference between killing an animal because you're going to eat it and use it's skin for boots and killing just because you get off on the act of killing. Because you enjoy wasting that animals life. We don't eat wolves, we don't need whale oil. These animals are being driven to the brink of extinction just for the sadistic pleasure of killing. Meat from livestock is managed so it is sustainable, wild animal stock isn't managed and is ever depleting. If we carry on killing at the rate we are presently we'll end up with just Homo Sapiens alone on a sterile planet and no future.
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Hillhiker1,
I've killed deer with my bow as well as my rifles. They are tasty. Nothing beats deer liver with Friday onions the same day the deer was HARVESTED.
I kill my meat, butcher it and eat it. Try it sometime.It will give you more respect for the source of the meat you eat.
I get it that those not brought up with hunting feel it is "barbaric" and "violent". Barbaric? No. Violent"? Yes, as is most taking of life.
But I also get it that some folks are being, perhaps "holier than thou" about this subject. The wolves killed have their pelts sold, as is also the case with many coyotes killed in winter. The wolves in Montana are making large dents in the elk and deer and cattle populations. Hunting is regulated very strictly. Screw up and you face heavy fines and loss of license privileges for years. These game laws also apply to wasting game which is really shooting for the sake of killing only.
I like rifles and shoot long distance (to 1,000 meters) competition with my 6.5 Creedmoor Ruger Precision Rifle. And as well, I use my 6.5 Creed. Browning X-Bolt Pro for deer, coyote and antelope. (Mmmm, antelope!) And BTW, it is common for riflescopes to cost 50% more than the rifle they wit upon so we take our gear very seriously. A humane kill is the only kind we strive for.
So yes, here in almost every states in the US we hunt and eat what we hunt.
Eric B.
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What ever side of the debate we may be on, human beings are very good at justifing to themselves why its OK to do this and that. All of the replies suggest this in some way.
For my part I don't eat meat, haven't done so for years and years. I grew up on a farm and my mother imposed it on us all, she was always so worried seeing sheep and cattle being given pelllets of this and that, loads of injections and having to go though chemical swims. There were four of us, I'm the only one who has stuck to it and have never gone back to meat. It doesn't personally bother me if someone wants a steak, or a Big Mac, but it bothers me when people justify to themselves why they have this need to kill in the first place.
I'm no expert but I suspect the hunter knows that the animal hasn't got our sort of intellect so they are easy prey. And of course the beauty of it all for the hunter is that they can kill from a distance! I'd be more impressed with their skills if they did it with their 'bare hands!' Tarzen did it, why can't they!
I always remember a Jean Claude Van Damme film where the villians hunted human beings, perhaps in this day and age of animals being hunted to extinction that might be the way forward?
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I spent 17 years in farm management, having grown up on a farm. There was a time at college when, I had to implant stilboestrol (female hormones) pellets into the ears of bullocks, supposed to be the up and coming technique imported from US of A, never was comfortable with the idea and never practiced it myself.
We rear an animal from conception to the time it leaves the farm, know its history, its individual personality, see it parted from it's dam, thrive or nursed through ills or injury and yet feel pride, without sorrow at a good carcase hanging on an abattoir hook.
I wonder at, how quickly some sections of our society can get snagged into a mindset, by believing judgmental claptrap and then finding a niche identity, from where they can identify others to dislike or even persecute. The old name of the game was religion, where several creeds ban a particular animal, because it was host to some particularly nasty parasites not so prevalent in colder climes, now that control of those parasites are understood, many centuries later it is embedded into religious practice.
GWM does not eat meat because of his mother's perception of chemical impurities, the age I suspect he is, would coincide with a greater risk from crop pesticides and herbicides, which led to great improvement of staple food production at a time when this nation was recovering from wartime siege by German U boats. The understanding of this came later, we now have more effective delivery of sprays and regulation to protect our waterways from drift, thus providing permanent fallow alongside river banks.
Are these new strips of non productive agricultural land allowed into the leisure network of an increasingly obese and under-exercised society? Not likely because..................Why? Just a few random thoughts gleaned from an accident of recognition.