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Title: Dent/Ingleton transport links
Post by: Mel on 21:10:51, 08/07/17
Ow dooz
 
Does anyone know of any transport options between Dent and Ingleton?
 
I'm aware of the Dalesbus, etc. timetables but they are infrequent and appear to be a 3 hour / 3 bus changes journey  :(   I'm also aware of the train station at Dent (which is about 5 miles away from Dent itself) but, again, that would mean a lengthy journey time with bus link.
 
Just so you get the gist of why I'm asking..... I'm planning a linear "Whernside Nose to Tail" walk from Ingleton to Dent (I would be staying in Dent as I have 3 other walks to do from there). 
 
I guess another option would be a taxi ....
 
..... or a forum meet ....  :D
 
Cheers in advance for any ideas  :)
 
Mel
 
Title: Re: Dent/Ingleton transport links
Post by: ninthace on 23:17:26, 08/07/17
Given the state of the roads between the 2 locations I am not surprised. The "direct" route is a gated road.
I know from experience that some services in that area are only once a week!



Try googling bus timetables for  Ingelton to Kirkby Lonsdale, KL to Sedbergh, Sedbergh to Dent. You may be able to find something that way
Title: Re: Dent/Ingleton transport links
Post by: Mel on 01:29:45, 09/07/17
Hi ninthace
 
If you mean Thornton Lane, I know.  I've driven down it (on my quest to find parking for my Gragareth walk). 
 
You've also just confirmed what I suspected during my googling sessions for this... that it's going to be a 3 bus change, lengthy journey  :(
 
Don't suppose you know any taxis firms that would be willing to drive down that road do you?  :D
Title: Re: Dent/Ingleton transport links
Post by: ninthace on 10:02:34, 09/07/17
It wouldn't be a bad walk if you had the time. Ingleton Waterfalls, FP up to the lane, across the road for a visit to various potholes and Yordas Cave then via Kingsdale and Deepdale. Here's a trace, you could use the left half as part of your route. http://www.Harold street.org.uk/routes/download/?walk=1631 (http://www.haroldstreet.org.uk/routes/download/?walk=1631)
Title: Re: Dent/Ingleton transport links
Post by: Peter on 10:37:56, 09/07/17
I'm unaware of buses for this Mel. Mostly because I never use them.
All I can offer is my company on such a walk, and de-facto a car at both ends. Or a lift back could be arranged.

Title: Re: Dent/Ingleton transport links
Post by: des65 on 12:19:18, 09/07/17
Catch the train from Dent to Ribblehead. Then either walk it or get a taxi.
Title: Re: Dent/Ingleton transport links
Post by: Dovegirl on 13:25:48, 09/07/17
Mel, have you looked at these websites?  Maybe worth a try

https://www.northyorks.gov.uk/public-transport

http://www.cumbria.gov.uk/roads-transport/public-transport-road-safety/transport/publictransport/passengertransport.asp
Title: Re: Dent/Ingleton transport links
Post by: pleb on 10:24:36, 10/07/17
The buses go to/from the train station, least they have when I used em.
Title: Re: Dent/Ingleton transport links
Post by: Mel on 21:30:19, 10/07/17
Ninthace - I fear a return trip from t'other end may be a wander too far for a day walk for me but it has given me an idea of walking to Dent over Whernside, staying the night, then walking back to Ingleton via your route the next day.
 
Peter - I like your comment and I may hold you to it seeing as you've dragged me up the other two of the Y3Ps... time I returned the favour  :D   I did send you a PM on Facebook Messenger but I don't think you've seen it.
 
des65 - Aye, that did cross my mind.  It would probably have to be a taxi from Ribblehead as walking from there to Twistleton end scars then up and over Whernside back to Dent is an epic mountain day out for me.  My original plan is challenging enough in my world!
 
Dovegirl - cheers for those links.  No I'd not seen them.
 
Pleb - yes, the bus goes to/from the train station but sadly doesn't go anywhere near Ingleton without a connecting bus from probably Settle. 
 
It's just really frustrating because there's a lovely (albeit narrow) direct route from Dent to Ingleton that absolutely NOTHING in terms of public transport travels down which does surprise me in a way.
Title: Re: Dent/Ingleton transport links
Post by: Oldtramp on 21:24:47, 11/07/17
Walk up to Dent Station (or catch bus to some other station on the Settle Carlisle https://sites.create-cdn.net/sitefiles/32/0/2/320226/WDB_Summer_Timetable_Leaflet_2017_v1.3.pdf),


Catch train to Helifield or Long Preston


580/581 bus to Ingleton http://getdown.org.uk/bus/bus/581.shtml


The other option, only possible on a Saturday, is bus to Kendal then to Kirby Lonsdale, then 580/581 to Ingleton












 
Title: Re: Dent/Ingleton transport links
Post by: Mel on 18:16:36, 14/07/17
Hi Oldtramp
 
Aye, I'd seen the Saturday route and times when I was planning to do this walk last Saturday.  A 3+ hour journey isn't filling me with inspiration at the moment mindst  :-\
 
Cheers for the timetable links.  I will see if anything fits my walking speed and timeframe  O0 
Title: Re: Dent/Ingleton transport links
Post by: Peter on 22:55:13, 14/07/17
Hi Oldtramp
 
Aye, I'd seen the Saturday route and times when I was planning to do this walk last Saturday.  A 3+ hour journey isn't filling me with inspiration at the moment mindst  :-\
 
Cheers for the timetable links.  I will see if anything fits my walking speed and timeframe  O0


I'm confused. Your post was made last Saturday night? For a walk you were doing that day?
Title: Re: Dent/Ingleton transport links
Post by: Mel on 23:11:09, 14/07/17
Haha, Peter, no.. not quite.  I messaged you on the Friday but hadn't heard from you by Saturday morning (short notice, I know) so I had a quick google of bus routes between Dent and Ingleton and it was only then that I realised the stupidity of my assumption that there would be a simple, direct bus between the two down that little road (Thornton Lane I think it's called).  So, later on Saturday night I posted this topic in case I was being really dim and there is, indeed, a direct bus rather than 3 that go via Timbuktu, mainly for future reference.
 
It basically isn't as straightforward as I thought it would be  :-[
 
Title: Re: Dent/Ingleton transport links
Post by: Oldtramp on 18:47:56, 15/07/17
There a taxi firm in Bentham, which isn't far from Ingleton -- you might ask them how much they'd charge for a run back to Dent.


Bentham Taxis
Title: Re: Dent/Ingleton transport links
Post by: mike knipe on 20:56:27, 15/07/17
I think Oldtramp has the  easiest route - except that you can get a train from Dent to Settle and then catch the Ingleton bus - cuts a bit of time off the journey. There's more buses and more options on Bank Holidays, apparently,  but my view is that Upper Ribblesdale is a really duff place to be on a bank holiday....
Title: Re: Dent/Ingleton transport links
Post by: Mel on 16:00:21, 16/07/17
Thanks OldTramp.  I've made a note of Bentham Taxis.
 
mike knipe, aye, I can imagine it would be a nice walk along the Dales Way from Dent (village) to the station (and I'd certainly be glad of a rest on the train after walking up that hill  :D  ).  I plan on actively avoiding Upper Ribblesdale on a bank holiday which does limit transport a bit  :(
Title: Re: Dent/Ingleton transport links
Post by: Peter on 22:41:31, 16/07/17
Granted it would have been short notice, but I didn't the message anyway.
A little warning and transport would be no problem.


Public transport is hopeless here. I use the train from time to time, but I've only used a bus once. They are very infrequent, and usually only on certain days in the summer.


I know One F uses public transport, but suspect he spends a long time planning that as much as the actual walk. It's just easier to get in the car..
Title: Re: Dent/Ingleton transport links
Post by: glovepuppet on 14:29:41, 17/07/17
Although I love Dentdale to bits, and have visited there regularly for over 20 years, they could learn a thing or two about public transport networks from the likes of the Norfolk Coast, the Pembrokeshire Coast and even Shropshire about connecting/integrated services for hikers.


I think there is a lot of scope, currently unrealised, to massively improve the links, increase walkers and decrease traffic, but I fear it the cross-border nature of Yorkshire/Cumbria border that curtails wider thinking!  :D
Title: Re: Dent/Ingleton transport links
Post by: ninthace on 15:14:09, 17/07/17
TBH it is a bit more complicated than that. The bus services in the area are subsidised by the local authority. With pressure on budgets, these subsidies have been reduced to the point where the services are no longer viable. As a result, in some areas even the services used by kids to go school have been withdrawn. In other areas, there are only just enough funds to run a school bus but that is the only service that is available so it is just  there and back once a day and only during term times.
For example, where I lived, the nearest 6th form college was in Kendal, a good 45 min car drive away across the fells. The only bus service was withdrawn just a few weeks before the start of the winter term. Our only service to the supermarket at Barnard Castle went at 11:00 on Wednesday and returned at 15:00. We had a similar service to Hawes on Tuesdays. It was always the same old faces, pensioners using their bus passes. The service was run by Cumbria Classic Coaches and was only viable as a weekly service. Since I left the, "proper" service to Penrith, a 32 mile round trip, has been reduced from several times a day to Tuesday only.
Title: Re: Dent/Ingleton transport links
Post by: glovepuppet on 16:13:14, 17/07/17
TBH it is a bit more complicated than that. The bus services in the area are subsidised by the local authority. With pressure on budgets, these subsidies have been reduced to the point where the services are no longer viable.


I get what you are saying here, and for sure there is no magic wand.


But the other places I mentioned also have the same pressures regarding subsidies, sustainability and viability, and yet they make it work. Bus services also seem to run quite well in other areas of the Dales and the Lakes. So I think the reason why the transport doesn't work as well in the Dentdale area may also have something to do with mindset as much as practicality. Sedbergh is a nice town, but it is some way behind the likes of Hawes, Kirby Lonsdale and some other local towns in being properly geared up for tourists, and I think that extends to transport links too.