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Main Boards => Gear => Topic started by: Starkiwi26 on 00:38:07, 04/10/20
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Dear fellow members,
I am currently using this boot: "Berghaus Men's Supalite 2 GTX Boot"
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Berghaus-Mens-Supalite-Brown-Chocolate/dp/B00SHH2LQO/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?dchild=1&keywords=%22Berghaus+Men%27s+Supalite+2+GTX+Boot%22&qid=1601767525&s=shoes&sr=1-1-fkmr0
It provides good protection and waterproof.
Due to the Covid lockdown, I cannot go peak district for walking, therefore I do all my walking nearby my house recently. I notice, for the same 12 miles walking route, I am significantly more tire when I did the walk with this boot, but I feel obviously less tire when I did the walk on a pair of Nike trainer (on a dry day).
My questions:
a) Is this normal to feel more tire on a walking boot (compared to a Nike trainer)?
b) Is there something wrong with my walking boot?
Thanks.
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If the route is relatively flat, maybe even on roads (you don't say), then it's highly likely the trainer will be better for you. Doesn't mean your boots are faulty.
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I am not sure about the math but I can only say what I feel is true , and that yes walking with boots consumes more energy than walking with light trainers .
So it stands to reason that you might notice you feel more tired after a 12 mile walk .
Especially if your boots feel uncomfortable or hurt in any way then I am pretty sure a person would feel more tired because our bodies naturally shy away from pain and our gaits would alter on every step and become unnatural , but then that is the same for any footwear .
When you think about the centrifugal forces created at the tips of our feet then those heavier boots would add a fair bit of extra effort needed to swing them forwards and backwards over thousands of steps....
Have you ever walked across a muddy field and felt the mud getting heavier with every step as it sticks to the soles...
Climbers preparing for the first ascent of Mount Everest in 1953 formulated a rule of thumb; one pound on your feet equals five pounds on your back.
http://www.fjaderlatt.se/2009/11/weight-on-your-feet.html (http://www.fjaderlatt.se/2009/11/weight-on-your-feet.html)
There are some interesting replies at the bottom of the article hotlinked .
PS. I wear boots because they afford much more protection from brambles , rocks etc and are also waterproof (mostly) . ;)
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One of my tasks is to declare if our planned walk is a going to be a “boot” walk or a “shoe” walk. Usually the choice is easy but sometimes I err on the side of caution especially after bad weather. My walk log shows that, on average, our walks with boots rather than shoes over equivalent surfaces are between 0.3 to 0.5 km/hr slower. Given that we try to put the same amount of effort into walking in either shoes or boots, this implies that, unsurprisingly, boots require more effort than shoes so we should be more tired at the end. However, I cannot say I have noticed much difference in reality. I suspect that over time, we have acquired the knack of producing a fairly sustainable work rate. However, we have both noticed that after a certain distance, it does not seem to matter how far we go, we both feel we have had enough walking with between 500m to a km to go, irrespective of our chosen footwear!
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I think you are all right about boots and trainers. When I'm hiking I just sometimes feel a strong need to take off my boots and walk for a different kind of comfort in the lightweight trainers I take with me. Usually when I'm walking on tarmac. I've met people who claim that they only hike in trainers, or off road running shoes, personally I've never tried it.
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I think you are all right about boots and trainers. When I'm hiking I just sometimes feel a strong need to take off my boots and walk for a different kind of comfort in the lightweight trainers I take with me. Usually when I'm walking on tarmac. I've met people who claim that they only hike in trainers, or off road running shoes, personally I've never tried it.
I have. In respect of my previous post, when I have sometimes made the wrong call and selected "shoes" when the walk should have been "boots", the effect on our average speed can be quite dramatic - shoes can up to 1 km/hr slower than boots over the equivalent surface and much more tiring. This is down to a combination of having to pick our path far more carefully and the lack of foot support on rougher/slippery surfaces.
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i have been known to pack a pair of trainers in my rucsac to change into when i know there is a fair amount of 'pavement' type walking midway on a route. Give the feet a bit of a rest almost and is noticably easier with the lighter weight.
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i have been known to pack a pair of trainers in my rucsac to change into when i know there is a fair amount of 'pavement' type walking midway on a route. Give the feet a bit of a rest almost and is noticably easier with the lighter weight.
I have thought of that, but in my case most of the walks I do that need both boots and shoes would mean more time in shoes than boots and I don't fancy carrying my boots, especially as these days I rarely walk with a pack at all. I did once suggest to Mrs N that we tie the laces of our boots together and sling them round our necks. I now know what writers mean by an old-fshioned look.
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I have thought of that, but in my case most of the walks I do that need both boots and shoes would mean more time in shoes than boots and I don't fancy carrying my boots, especially as these days I rarely walk with a pack at all. I did once suggest to Mrs N that we tie the laces of our boots together and sling them round our necks. I now know what writers mean by an old-fshioned look.
Yes it does swing both ways, but i find the feet enjoy the change, also a good oppo to get some air onto the feet especially in hot weather, reduces sweating and blister potential. i always walk with a bag so no trouble to carry, sometimes if a few miles on sand i'll take Crocs instead so i can have a paddle along the waters edge.
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Thanks for all comments.Nike trainer probably too flexible and soft for walking. Therefore I am thinking to get a pair of walking shoe.For a rough walk, I will use my boot: "Berghaus Men's Supalite 2 GTX Boot"
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Berghaus-Mens-Supalite-Brown-Chocolate/dp/B00SHH2LQO/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?dchild=1&keywords=%22Berghaus+Men%27s+Supalite+2+GTX+Boot%22&qid=1601767525&s=shoes&sr=1-1-fkmr0 (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Berghaus-Mens-Supalite-Brown-Chocolate/dp/B00SHH2LQO/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?dchild=1&keywords=%22Berghaus+Men%27s+Supalite+2+GTX+Boot%22&qid=1601767525&s=shoes&sr=1-1-fkmr0)
For an easier walk, I can go for a walking shoe instead, less tire and therefore can walk more distance.
I am looking at 3 options below, could you comment please?
a) SALOMON Men's Outline GTX
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Salomon-OUTline-hiking-shoes-black/dp/B076JK95RS/ref=pd_lpo_309_t_0/261-8672139-9114217?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B08FD75975&pd_rd_r=e8ce54b6-3790-42a0-935e-cb9fed777453&pd_rd_w=yNQDA&pd_rd_wg=tbjUQ&pf_rd_p=7b8e3b03-1439-4489-abd4-4a138cf4eca6&pf_rd_r=240TA9RHQH4DMK1J5WF9&psc=1&refRID=240TA9RHQH4DMK1J5WF9 (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Salomon-OUTline-hiking-shoes-black/dp/B076JK95RS/ref=pd_lpo_309_t_0/261-8672139-9114217?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B08FD75975&pd_rd_r=e8ce54b6-3790-42a0-935e-cb9fed777453&pd_rd_w=yNQDA&pd_rd_wg=tbjUQ&pf_rd_p=7b8e3b03-1439-4489-abd4-4a138cf4eca6&pf_rd_r=240TA9RHQH4DMK1J5WF9&psc=1&refRID=240TA9RHQH4DMK1J5WF9)
b) Nike Men's ACG Zoom Terra Zaherra
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Nike-Terra-Zaherra-Running-Blue-Black/dp/B084KTCCZB/ref=pd_lpo_309_t_0/261-8672139-9114217?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B08HWQXJRS&pd_rd_r=a6c025cf-158e-4248-9fcb-bcfcbf1e60ec&pd_rd_w=AxATp&pd_rd_wg=U4EPi&pf_rd_p=7b8e3b03-1439-4489-abd4-4a138cf4eca6&pf_rd_r=20WTJEKAYDSW0NYG86EA&refRID=20WTJEKAYDSW0NYG86EA&th=1&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Nike-Terra-Zaherra-Running-Blue-Black/dp/B084KTCCZB/ref=pd_lpo_309_t_0/261-8672139-9114217?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B08HWQXJRS&pd_rd_r=a6c025cf-158e-4248-9fcb-bcfcbf1e60ec&pd_rd_w=AxATp&pd_rd_wg=U4EPi&pf_rd_p=7b8e3b03-1439-4489-abd4-4a138cf4eca6&pf_rd_r=20WTJEKAYDSW0NYG86EA&refRID=20WTJEKAYDSW0NYG86EA&th=1&psc=1)
c) Adidas Men's Terrex Free Hiker
https://www.amazon.co.uk/adidas-Terrex-Fitness-Multicolour- (https://www.amazon.co.uk/adidas-Terrex-Fitness-Multicolour-Negb%C3%A1s/dp/B07NYWMLBP/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1KNNIWA0M76XM&dchild=1&keywords=adidas%2Bfree%2Bhiker&qid=1601933534&s=shoes&sprefix=adidas%2Bfree%2Bhiker%2Cshoes%2C184&sr=1-1&th=1&psc=1)
Negb%C3%A1s/dp/B07NYWMLBP/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1KNNIWA0M76XM&dchild=1&keywords=adidas%2Bfree%2Bhiker&qid=1601933534&s=shoes&sprefix=adidas%2Bfree%2Bhiker%2Cshoes%2C184&sr=1-1&th=1&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.co.uk/adidas-Terrex-Fitness-Multicolour-Negb%C3%A1s/dp/B07NYWMLBP/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1KNNIWA0M76XM&dchild=1&keywords=adidas%2Bfree%2Bhiker&qid=1601933534&s=shoes&sprefix=adidas%2Bfree%2Bhiker%2Cshoes%2C184&sr=1-1&th=1&psc=1)
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this lady talks about the same topic
https://www.cntraveler.com/story/merrell-bravada-mid-waterproof-review/amp
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I'll comment on the Salomon option... :)
I haven't tried the model you've selected, but I do have a pair of almost identical-looking Salomon Sanford GTX shoes.
The shoes are comfortable, very lightweight, quite grippy and the waterproofing has lasted a relatively long time. They're close to being like a trail running shoe and are great for moving quickly on difficult surfaces. I like these shoes so much that I bought another pair for when these wear out (not long now!). O0
The main difference between the Salomon Outline and Sanford is the tread. The Outline has a trail running pattern, whereas the Sanford has more a typical walking pattern. I suspect the Outlines wouldn't last long on tarmac or concrete but would be excellent for off-road use.
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Of course, walking on boots takes more energy than walking on light trainers. Boots are heavier and with every step you have to lift that weight up. On a nice even trail and without carrying weight, the trainers definitely have the advantage.
HOWEVER: there are other factors that can favour boots (though this experience is very personal). If you are walking on a very rough uneven trail, the added stability of boots can save you energy (at least subjectively). This is especially true when carrying weight.
I much rather climb a moderately steep trail on a nice even path than walk on a flat but very rough path with many loose stones etc. The latter wears me out much more. The stability of the boots really give you the advantage there, especially when carrying weight.
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i have been known to pack a pair of trainers in my rucsac to change into when i know there is a fair amount of 'pavement' type walking midway on a route. Give the feet a bit of a rest almost and is noticably easier with the lighter weight.
I have done this in the past on really long day walks. I also do the same for river crossings, when the levels are expected to be above my gaiters.
In general though I choose my foot ware for the day based on the ground to be covered and how wet it is likely to be. I have only worn my boots 3 times over the summer all other walks/jogs in my walking shoes. Now autumn winter is upon us I would expect the reverse. My basic view is keep your foot ware as light as possible, but ensure it provides the necessary comfort and protection for the conditions.