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Lovely picture, amazing shots of the squirrel  O0
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The steep way up Gowbarrow from Dockray side is around 190m in 820m. The route I suggest is 278m in around 3.5km.
I'd love to be able to calculate that, how did you do it (or is that too much to explain)? Did you measure across the map and look at the contour lines or is there a better way of doing it?

Let me get this right, you're saying the way down if I follow it anti-clockwise I have to go down a bit almost as steep as the steps from Loughrigg Terrace? But if I don't I have to go up a bit almost as steep? That's a tough choice!

(Not sure how your map reading skills are so sorry if that's teaching you to suck eggs!)
It's what I thought but it's nice to have it confirmed. My map reading skills aren't great regarding working out how steep the hill is from the contour lines.

Personally I prefer to do any steep bits in an uphill direction rather than face the yawning abyss of nothingness going steeply downhill  ;D
Me too! Do you think it will be steeper going down than Hallin Fell? I saw some people run down the hill but I felt like I was going to fall and slide unless I inched by way down it!
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10/10 for you old codgers making the most of an opportunity & turning a dull weather day into one to remember.


Great landscape views and fabulous wildlife shots  O0
Funnily enough Mrs IM says we often get a roaring sound around the house on a night: I just seem to default to laying on my back with my gob open  :-X [size=78%] [/size]
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I'm really dithering, its one of my personal failings! Should I go to Ypres for the November 11th ceremony or not? I expect there will be thousands and thousands of people there and the prices will be sky high but...............................???

I did the hike in 2015, from Calais and camped just on the edge of town very near to the Menin Gate. I stood in the narrow street near to the Menin Gate with hundreds of other people, it was very moving and at the same time incredibally satisfying as well.

I really hate it when I get like this, I know I should be positive and just make the decision but nevertheless I am still dithering!

My wife suggests I could go elsewhere, maybe Vimy Ridge or to the Somme? I'll think about it. I even thought about going to the Lakes, are there any mountain top commemorations going on? Does anyone know?

When you are thinking about your next walk do you do dither, or do you just decide instantly and then just 'do it?'
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How do you tell that? Is it because it crosses less contour lines pretty much following one on the eastern side of the walk?

Sort of, yes.  When a route is following parallel along a contour line it will be (fairly) level - a few gentle undulations perhaps but nowt to write home about.  The route on the west of the hill crosses the contour lines at pretty much right-angles (90 degrees) which tells me that's straight up hill (or downhill, depending on direction of travel).  The closer the contour lines - the steeper the gradient.  The route on the SE side of the hill takes you diagonally down (or up) the contour lines meaning the gradient will be more gentle as it's crossing the contour lines at a 45 degree angle.  (Not sure how your map reading skills are so sorry if that's teaching you to suck eggs!) 





Personally I prefer to do any steep bits in an uphill direction rather than face the yawning abyss of nothingness going steeply downhill  ;D

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For comparison and very much a back of a fag packet calculation; the Loughrigg Steps are a height gain of 185m in 770m.  The steep way up Gowbarrow from Dockray side is around 190m in 820m. The route I suggest is 278m in around 3.5km.
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General Walking Discussion / Re: Where to see wildlife near London
« Last post by Ronin83 on Today at 20:09:17 »
Chilterns. Seen loads of kites around lately.
There were wallabies on Dunstable downs, not sure if theyre still there.
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Thanks again for all the help guys.
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General Walking Discussion / Re: Help for beginning scrambling
« Last post by Dazza on Today at 20:06:11 »

Really? Because jontea on the forum warned me there was a scramble near the summit and places on the Internet talk about a scramble to the summit like countryfile. Does it perhaps depend which path you ascend by? Or are they all wrong?
There is a little exposed bit but only if you get off the main path. I remember this bit from previously and ended up going that way again this year  (I was following someone new to catbells who doesn't care about heights) and yes that left me a little wobbly. That bit is very short though but a narrow path and a drop to the right. I managed though but not my preferred route!

However it is dead easy to avoid as it's on the far right of the last bit of cat bells. If you stick to the middle or to the left you'll have no exposure problems at all. However Catbells is harder than Loughrigg (though easier to navigate) but walking poles do help a lot.
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Lake District / Re: VR wild camp on Low Birk Fell
« Last post by Ridge on Today at 20:05:09 »
Lovely stuff Beefy  O0
Looks a great camping spot, the squirrel posed beautifully for you.
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