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Title: Carnedd Llewelyn route
Post by: Cacodemon on 14:32:54, 22/08/13
Hi all,


First post and all that. Looking for advice as to the best route up Carnedd Llewelyn? I'm a hiker and not a climber but do enjoy the odd easy scramble. :)


Am I right in thinking the best bet is to park on the A5 near the lake and take it from there? Heading towards Ffynnon Llugwy?
Title: Re: Carnedd Llewelyn route
Post by: archaeoroutes on 18:16:37, 22/08/13
My favourite is the classic up pen yr ole wen from Ogwen cottage and round the horseshoe. You can walk back along a nice path on the far side of the lake to the road.
Title: Re: Carnedd Llewelyn route
Post by: DalesWalesLakesandPeaks on 18:42:22, 22/08/13
Thanks for asking this Cacodemon, I've just spent the last hour or so looking into routes for Carnedd Llewlyn and Pen Yr Ole Wen from the A5 myself as we'll soon be stopping there.


I've been looking into the possibility of starting at Glan Dena on the eastern side of Llyn Ogwen and following the Afon Lloer up to Ffynnon Lloer and reaching the summit of Pen Yr Ole Wen, then on to Carnedd Llewelyn.


Problem is I don't know how you'd get up to Pen Yr Ole Wen from Ffynnon Lloer but I believe is is possible, just find the easiest route in a westerly direction from the lake I guess.


From Carnedd Llewelyn I'd be descending via Ffynnon Llugwy but again I'm unsure about the ridge just above it, looks very steep on both sides (arete?) so I'm hoping for a couple of answers myself.


Hope I haven't hijacked your thread but I've been having the same thoughts myself this evening.


 :)
Title: Re: Carnedd Llewelyn route
Post by: llandudnoboy on 18:53:47, 22/08/13
By far the best approach to Lewellyn is via Cwm Llafar from Bethesda.
This is a walk only to be attempted in fine weather,because Carnedd Lewellyn is one of the most challenging summits to navigate in the mist.
It's only 80 ft lower than Snowdon,so this is one big mountain, the third highest outside of Scotland, it deserves respect.

The easiest way up is via the Fynnon Llygwy Reservoir road, which is on the A5 around 4 miles from Ogwen Cottage.

An approach from Ogwen Cottage is a good one,but its a long walk and so dependant on good weather, navigation from Carnedd Dafydd to Lewellyn is not easy,and its very exposed to bad weather.

Here's my top three favourite ways up Lewellyn

1. Cwm Eigiau - from either the Craig yr Ysfa quarry route or the longer far more enjoyable route,which is possibly the easiest way up the mountain.
2. The Cwm Llafar Horseshoe, a walk with few equals in Northern Snowdonia.
3. Lewellyn via Yr Elen, parking your car in Gerlan.

Ogwen cottage is ok, but to really experience the magnificence of the third highest mountain out of Scotland, a less busy route is advisable.

That approach via Yr Elen is a gorgeous alternative, and its always very quiet.

Which ever route you eventually go for, make sure the weather forecast is good,because  for someone totally new to the Carneddau navigation in poor weather is possibly more challenging in the Carneddau than any other area of Snowdonia.

I envy you, your first trip up Lewellyn, I wish I could turn the clock back and experience one of my fauvourite mountains for the first time.

Good Luck  and keep safe.
Title: Re: Carnedd Llewelyn route
Post by: joester on 18:57:02, 22/08/13

Problem is I don't know how you'd get up to Pen Yr Ole Wen from Ffynnon Lloer but I believe is is possible, just find the easiest route in a westerly direction from the lake I guess.


You'll find a corner where you'll see this - go up here:


http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/2330818 (http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/2330818)
Title: Re: Carnedd Llewelyn route
Post by: snakehips on 18:58:33, 22/08/13
the way up from ogwen onto pen yr ole wen is as you said up by the way of the afon lloer turning left before the lake and following a path up through a gully it does involve a little bit of a scramble but i did it and i am not the best this is a nice way up and i really enjoyed it . the way down on the other side is a scramble as well pretty straight forward with a path down all classed as a simple scramble hope you enjoy it up there it is a good day out regards mark O0 O0
Title: Re: Carnedd Llewelyn route
Post by: llandudnoboy on 19:13:48, 22/08/13
Blimey Joester, that's exactly the kind of very tricky rock scramble I managed to find myself on, except I was 2500 ft above sea level, and had no option but to continue on rocky ground that I had no idea where it went.

Scary for timid little me.
Title: Re: Carnedd Llewelyn route
Post by: archaeoroutes on 19:24:27, 22/08/13
I did it from Abergwyngregyn once - great to start at sea level! That was a camping trip though. It makes a great linear route if you start there and finish at Capel.
In fact I once did from Penmaenmawr to Beddgelert - brilliant trip!
Title: Re: Carnedd Llewelyn route
Post by: joester on 19:54:31, 22/08/13
Blimey Joester, that's exactly the kind of very tricky rock scramble I managed to find myself on, except I was 2500 ft above sea level, and had no option but to continue on rocky ground that I had no idea where it went.

Scary for timid little me.


That's the established start of the lovely little scramble that gets you on to PyOW's east ridge.  It isn't as severe as it appears in the photo.  (Surely you have been up there?).  It's like climbing a ladder,  and there is little or no exposure.
Title: Re: Carnedd Llewelyn route
Post by: DalesWalesLakesandPeaks on 20:21:18, 22/08/13

That's the established start of the lovely little scramble that gets you on to PyOW's east ridge.  It isn't as severe as it appears in the photo.  (Surely you have been up there?).  It's like climbing a ladder,  and there is little or no exposure.


Um, is there a less severe way up from the lake?


 :D
Title: Re: Carnedd Llewelyn route
Post by: joester on 20:39:15, 22/08/13

Not unless you slog NNE straight up to the ridgeline, and then skirt anti-clockwise all the way around, past Dafydd's summit.


Really though, the scramble is pips.Ah, good old Rambling Pete, here's a better view of the way up:


http://www.ramblingpete.walkingplaces.co.uk/day/wales/thecarneddau.htm (http://www.ramblingpete.walkingplaces.co.uk/day/wales/thecarneddau.htm)
Title: Re: Carnedd Llewelyn route
Post by: archaeoroutes on 22:04:44, 22/08/13
It really is a rock step rather than a scramble. Nothing to really worry about  ::) 
Seriously, both shots are taken from below the start and thus make it look steeper than it is. The hand holds are big and there are good steps for feet. The rock is also nice and grippy.


That set of photos by RamblingPete really shows the range off well.
Title: Re: Carnedd Llewelyn route
Post by: Cacodemon on 08:33:34, 23/08/13
Thanks for the great responses - I'll digest them with my OS map in front of me later this evening.

Title: Re: Carnedd Llewelyn route
Post by: llandudnoboy on 12:02:38, 23/08/13
While your mulling over a Pen Yr Ole Wen, Glan Denna assent, have a shufty at the assent via Yr Elen from Gerlan.

Now that's what I call a beautiful alternative to busy Ogwen.

The views towards The Black Ladders are superb, and the view down into Fynnon Caseg are stuff of dreams.

The walking is easier than from the A5 , and the solitude of the open Carneddau is amazing.
Title: Re: Carnedd Llewelyn route
Post by: Cacodemon on 12:07:55, 23/08/13
I was put off the Gerlan route because I'd read the paths were poor/non-existent on the first bits of the walk?!

Looking on Google Maps I can make-out some paths following the route of the river towards Dafydd?
Title: Re: Carnedd Llewelyn route
Post by: llandudnoboy on 12:38:21, 23/08/13
There are few distinct paths from the Gerlan side, which is a good thing because you do not need them.
The way is never in doubt in good clear weather.

Yr Elen is right in front of you, and once you gain the first shoulder of the mountain there is a very clear path that will eventually take you to its summit.
 That's the beauty of the Carneddau from Gerlan, few if any paths, not a soul in sight and in fine weather the easiest navigation possible.

You just pick your intended route and off you go, like a massive version of the Brecon Beacons.

In good clear weather, you can climb the Carneddau from Gerlan without the aid of map or compass, their not needed.

The mountains around you are huge and the vistas great, the walking in good visibility the easiest anywhere in Northern Snowdonia, and because few people if any have discovered Gerlan you can have this part of the Carneddau all to yourself.

That's why I think the Carneddau from Gerlan is the best kept secret next to the Rhinogs, in the whole of Wales.

Go for it.
Title: Re: Carnedd Llewelyn route
Post by: snakehips on 19:01:59, 23/08/13

Um, is there a less severe way up from the lake?


 :D
seriously i've done this route and i've had both my hips replaced it really is not that bad and i don't like heights either just have a go that is the worst bit and it really is worth it  O0 O0 O0
Title: Re: Carnedd Llewelyn route
Post by: joester on 21:05:07, 23/08/13
that is the worst bit


(best bit)  ;)
Title: Re: Carnedd Llewelyn route
Post by: archaeoroutes on 22:29:53, 23/08/13
(best bit)  ;)


Seconded  O0
Title: Re: Carnedd Llewelyn route
Post by: DalesWalesLakesandPeaks on 08:50:41, 26/08/13
Thanks for the reassurances guys, I'll do it.


Just got to convince the clumsy Mrs that it'll be OK.


 ;D
Title: Re: Carnedd Llewelyn route
Post by: llandudnoboy on 14:01:13, 27/08/13
i cannot think of an easier walk than an assent of Lewellyn from Cwm Eigiau.
90% of the walk is on good easy grass paths, and only the rocky plateau area of Lewellyn could be described as annoying.
Like ive said in the past, never attempt this walk in mist or poor weather, navigation would be extremely challenging.

Ive completed this walk well over a dozen times, and its the perfect introduction to Carnedd Lewellyn,suitable even for youngsters, as long as they have the energy for such a walk.

Anything from Ogwen requires a bit of scrambling on rocks, Lewellyn from Cwm Eigiau can be done with your hands in your pockets all the way.
Title: Re: Carnedd Llewelyn route
Post by: DalesWalesLakesandPeaks on 18:31:25, 27/08/13
i cannot think of an easier walk than an assent of Lewellyn from Cwm Eigiau.
90% of the walk is on good easy grass paths, and only the rocky plateau area of Lewellyn could be described as annoying.
Like ive said in the past, never attempt this walk in mist or poor weather, navigation would be extremely challenging.

Ive completed this walk well over a dozen times, and its the perfect introduction to Carnedd Lewellyn,suitable even for youngsters, as long as they have the energy for such a walk.

Anything from Ogwen requires a bit of scrambling on rocks, Lewellyn from Cwm Eigiau can be done with your hands in your pockets all the way.


Hi,


Is this the route from the car park near Llyn Eigiau?
Title: Re: Carnedd Llewelyn route
Post by: altirando on 19:27:20, 27/08/13
I thought the classic route was up the surfaced track from Ogwen, over the top of Craig yr Ysfa, and back DOWN Pen yr O.W.  The opposing circuit from Cwm Eigiau  over  Lithrigg and Craig yr Ysfa and back down above a lake deep in a valley , can't remember the name, is  a bit longer as I recall and will have fewer people except on the CyY section. On no account go directly up to the bwlch, very steep grass. And you will still need to take your hands out of your pockets on the little step up on to the Ysfa ridge path.
Title: Re: Carnedd Llewelyn route
Post by: llandudnoboy on 12:41:38, 28/08/13
Hi there Dales W

Apart from the Gerlan Yr Elen traverse of Lewellyn, by far the best approach and easiest route up Lewellyn is from that small car park in Cwm Eigiau.
Even as early as 7 am the car park fills up quickly.

There are two styles in the carpark, the one you need to take is the first one on your right.
You follow the clear path all the way until you eventually go around the corner at the top.
In about half a mile you will come to another style with a gate.
Once you reach this final gate, you should see some rocks up to your left.
There is a very clear easy path that follows the adjoining brickwall.

Weather permitting you should clearly see a well worn path that follows the hillside.

This path is quite eroded in places,and if followed will bring you out on the main Central Carneddau ridge at a height of 3189ft or so.
To your right will be the clear path to Foel Grach and to your left the route to Lewellyn.

My description sounds rather complicated i know, but in perfect visibility the route is never in doubt.

Apart from the overall length of this walk, there and back around 8.5miles, its one of the most rewarding and easiest ways up Lewellyn.

I know i will be criticised for saying it again,
This is a walk only to be attempted in good clear weather, i cannot imagine the technical difficulties in trying to navigate this part of Snowdonia in heavy mist.

A huge expanse of very high mountain terrain mostly above 2500- 3000 ft in height, with not a single feature to navigate by.

Many walkers new to the Carneddau try to navigate in such weather and regret the decision.

I tried it once with friends some years ago,and did not get as far as the last style, visibility was zero, gaining the path impossible.

Choose a nice day,and you will be rewarded with one of the easiest and most enjoyable walks anywhere in Snowdonia, with not a single piece of litter in sight,and only the occasional walker to say hello to.

Now thats what i call paradise.
Title: Re: Carnedd Llewelyn route
Post by: altirando on 18:32:58, 28/08/13
It is always problematical giving route advice to people you don't know. But I would have thought that even a novice walker who managed to follow that route and get to the top of Llewelyn would want to follow on down the very wide trail along the top of Craig yr Ysfa, rather than just retrace his or her steps.  The descent back into Cwm Eigiau from the bwlch Elyn Farchog, if I remember the name properly, is just down steep grass - not as much hard work as clambering up! And there is then a quick return to the car at the lanehead.
Title: Re: Carnedd Llewelyn route
Post by: DalesWalesLakesandPeaks on 19:07:02, 28/08/13
Thanks to both of you for the last two replies, they're a great help. My concern was that on the OS map there only appeared to be a path to Foel Grach from Cwm Eigiau, but if there's a path up to Llewelyn from here then great. It's just not shown on the OS map.


 :)
Title: Re: Carnedd Llewelyn route
Post by: ramblingpete on 21:51:41, 28/08/13
Choose any weather and ignore the doom merchants. As long as you are ok with map and compass there's no problem. You are likely to meet quite a few people up there as well. There's a couple of walks on the Carneddau on my site which will give you plenty of idea of what's to come.

Enjoy the walk whatever the weather.

Title: Re: Carnedd Llewelyn route
Post by: llandudnoboy on 11:07:13, 29/08/13
Navigation even with map and compass is extremely challenging in adverse conditions in the Carneddau.
There are few reported casualties on these high mountains for the main reason that the majority of walkers respect this area of Snowdonia.
The highest area of land outside Scotland,the only area in Wales with a purpose built refuge shelter.

Its quite clear by your statement that you are not as familiar with this area as i am.
My house overlooks these mountains, even as i write this thread the mountains are thick with heavy mist with stong prevailing SW winds.

The reason i throw caution into my threads on the Carneddau,is because i know them far better than vertually everyone on this walking forum.

The Carneddau are my fauvorite area of Snowdonia, ive seen them in the depth of Winter and in all weathers,i know them better than most people.

Title: Re: Carnedd Llewelyn route
Post by: Glyno on 12:42:37, 29/08/13

The Carneddau are my fauvorite area of Snowdonia...



funny, you've never mentioned it before  ???
Title: Re: Carnedd Llewelyn route
Post by: joester on 13:05:36, 29/08/13
...trainers or boots, that's the question on everyone's lips...
Title: Re: Carnedd Llewelyn route
Post by: ramblingpete on 17:35:17, 29/08/13

Its quite clear by your statement that you are not as familiar with this area as i am.
My house overlooks these mountains, even as i write this thread the mountains are thick with heavy mist with stong prevailing SW winds.

The reason i throw caution into my threads on the Carneddau,is because i know them far better than vertually everyone on this walking forum.

The Carneddau are my fauvorite area of Snowdonia, ive seen them in the depth of Winter and in all weathers,i know them better than most people.
::)

I guess you haven't even looked at my Wales walks on my site judging by you statement. Are you better in knowledge than most people on the forum? That's very good of you to say so.

I've deleted yet another of your irrelevant posts - boots etc have nothing to do with Carneddau routes as L&D requested.
Title: Re: Carnedd Llewelyn route
Post by: llandudnoboy on 18:27:56, 29/08/13
It just goes to show your lack of knowledge and experience whilst walking in certain parts of Wales.
I live almost in the mountains,you live in Manchester,and you still claim to know the Carneddau better than i do.
I very much doubt that.
Ive visited every summit in the Carneddau far more times than i care to remember, ive completed various routes that are not even on the map.
When i write about these mountains i write from experience, experience i want to pass on to people who may never have visited this part of Wales.
Deleting a comment because it annoys you,only shows your lack of knowledge and inability to back it up with a coherent argument.
Enough of that, the Carneddau offer the walker a great opportunity to explore and experience Snowdonia at its best, with perfect solitude.

No one including yourself can denie that.
Title: Re: Carnedd Llewelyn route
Post by: ramblingpete on 18:42:25, 29/08/13

Deleting a comment because it annoys you,only shows your lack of knowledge and inability to back it up with a coherent argument.


Zzzz

So pray tell us all what part of a post about boots or shoes has anything to do with the request for Carneddau route information. On second thoughts please don't.

BRW the spellcheck button is a handy tool to use before posting.
Title: Re: Carnedd Llewelyn route
Post by: archaeoroutes on 19:10:31, 29/08/13
...trainers or boots, that's the question on everyone's lips...
;D
Title: Re: Carnedd Llewelyn route
Post by: joester on 22:18:39, 29/08/13
(not meant to be relevant, just amusing, hope it hit the spot with some of you).
Title: Re: Carnedd Llewelyn route
Post by: Oldstephen on 00:09:51, 30/08/13
Despite the comments about Llandudnoboy's postings I tried his route yesterday (Wed) to get away from the crowds (did you see the pics of the queues on Snowdon on Monday?).  Sure enough I didn't see a soul for 3 hours, mind you I set off from Gerlan at 6.30 am.


The first part of the route is a bit tedious, wading through chest-high reeds until the first knob of the ridge then it's easy straight up to Yr Elen and Llewelyn.  I had brilliant weather and saw my Brocken Spectre several times in the cloud pockets below the ridge as I walked round to Dafydd and Pen-yr-ole-wen and unchained my bike at the foot of the E ridge track and cycled back down to Bethesda. Nice to get up there again after missing the Oggie8 this year.
Title: Re: Carnedd Llewelyn route
Post by: joester on 07:46:11, 30/08/13
Great Brocken piccie!
Title: Re: Carnedd Llewelyn route
Post by: llandudnoboy on 11:57:23, 31/08/13
One of the rarest events in mountain weather, a Brocken Specter.
Conditions of light,density of low cloud and mist and temperature all have to be spot on, and then you have to be in the right position for your shadow to be cast within the cloud.

Very envious that you were able to be in a position with a camera to capture such a glorious photograph.

According to Colin Pledgley in his various Guides on Mountain Weather, he has only encountered this weather associated effect once,in his many years of mountain photography.

I do hope you realise this was possibly a once in a lifetime event,it happens very rarely in nature,all because temperature,light etc have to be just right for it to happen.

Thank You for making my day.

Jelous as hell.
Title: Re: Carnedd Llewelyn route
Post by: ramblingpete on 15:06:04, 31/08/13
I've had two - more common than you think especially in Broken
Title: Re: Carnedd Llewelyn route
Post by: Oldstephen on 19:28:35, 31/08/13
I am fortunate enough to have seen several spectres.  It's just a mater of getting the sun behind you and the cloud below, usually in the lee of a ridge.  I have seen two previously this year, one on Crib Goch and one on the Glyders.  This one was actually on Crib Goch in Jan 12:
Title: Re: Carnedd Llewelyn route
Post by: Glyno on 20:12:40, 31/08/13
I've seen a (my) Brocken Spectre twice - about ten years between occasions but both times within about 100 metres (Bwlch Glas on Snowdon).
Title: Re: Carnedd Llewelyn route
Post by: joester on 20:16:35, 31/08/13
You won't see one if you only ever go up when it's not misty....
Title: Re: Carnedd Llewelyn route
Post by: iiswoz on 20:38:03, 31/08/13
I got one too 8)

Title: Re: Carnedd Llewelyn route
Post by: llandudnoboy on 21:35:34, 31/08/13
If one actually realised how rare the atmospheric conditions have to be for this event to take place,everyone here would be amazed.
We are discussing Brocken Specters as if they are a regular occurrance.
Colin Pledgley an experienced meteorologist and writer has only experienced one in all the years he has been studying the mountain weather.
Those here who have seen one this year or fairly recently,should continue to buy their lottery tickets, their luck seems to be in at the moment.
Title: Re: Carnedd Llewelyn route
Post by: Glyno on 21:38:40, 31/08/13
Maybe Colin only ventures out in nice weather?  ::)
Title: Re: Carnedd Llewelyn route
Post by: ramblingpete on 23:09:00, 31/08/13
So rare that many forum members have seen them.

 My aren't we the lucky ones.  ;)

Title: Re: Carnedd Llewelyn route
Post by: Oldstephen on 00:23:47, 01/09/13
I'm out every week in all conditions so I suppose by the law of averages I might see more spectres than the occasional walker, but I find them fascinating and always look out for possible Brocken conditions. I really don't think they are as rare as some are making out.
Title: Re: Carnedd Llewelyn route
Post by: llandudnoboy on 19:03:44, 01/09/13
If anyone wants to have a look at any of Colin Pledgleys books on Mountain Weather and Navigation,he gives a very interesting explanation on how a Brocken Spectre actually occurs.
The fact that quite a few of us have seen them still does not take away the fact that they are very rare atmospheric events.
Title: Re: Carnedd Llewelyn route
Post by: Glyno on 19:11:39, 01/09/13

The fact that quite a few of us have seen them still does not take away the fact that they are very rare atmospheric events.



they're an even rarer event for someone like yourself who only goes out in fine weather
Title: Re: Carnedd Llewelyn route
Post by: joester on 19:17:04, 01/09/13
Here's mine.  Lost the best of it before I could whip the camera out:


(http://i736.photobucket.com/albums/xx9/joester77/P1070312_zps2d74df96.jpg) (http://)


It would seem to be more an 'occasional' phenomenon, rather than a 'rare' one.
My dad has a friend who has been walking with him maybe 3 times in 40 years.  He's seen a Brocken.
He likes to tell people 'most hill walkers will go their whole lives without seeing one'.


(Unless there on WF, it would seem).
Title: Re: Carnedd Llewelyn route
Post by: Oldstephen on 20:33:28, 01/09/13
Classic Brocken Spectre conditions:
Title: Re: Carnedd Llewelyn route
Post by: ramblingpete on 21:54:44, 01/09/13
Here's one of mine - conditions as Stephens -

(http://i680.photobucket.com/albums/vv165/rumblingpete/kirk/DSC03030.jpg)

and hey presto...

(http://i680.photobucket.com/albums/vv165/rumblingpete/kirk/DSC03034.jpg)

BTW I see them all the time when flying to work ::) - google Brocken Spectre images and you'll see plenty of planebrocken spectres.

I expect the people of Brocken are sick of the sight of them most days...

Back to the subject here's the Carneddau in winter with not much to see...easy navigation though ;)

http://www.ramblingpete.walkingplaces.co.uk/day/wales/YrElen.htm
Title: Re: Carnedd Llewelyn route
Post by: llandudnoboy on 12:17:00, 02/09/13
Nice photographs. 
Title: Re: Carnedd Llewelyn route
Post by: llandudnoboy on 12:55:52, 02/09/13
Certain forum members seem to have forgotten that i am not a walker,i gave that up nearly 24 yrs ago.
I share my experiences with other forum members because i know Snowdonia extremely well, its just that i have seen what others have seen at a much faster pace.
Walkers seek out hostile weather, sombody who runs over the same ground as the walker,with sense avoids hostile weather, because it places too many barriers in their way.

I like to see where i am going at all times, so i only venture into the mountains in fine weather, that to me makes sense.
Title: Re: Carnedd Llewelyn route
Post by: joester on 13:50:39, 02/09/13
Certain forum members seem to have forgotten that i am not a walker,

Well you've come to the wrong place then, haven't you?
 
Must dash, I'm off to check 'Mumsnet'.
Title: Re: Carnedd Llewelyn route
Post by: sussamb on 14:23:52, 02/09/13
Certain forum members seem to have forgotten that i am not a walker,i gave that up nearly 24 yrs ago.

Well that explains a lot then ... particularly some if not most of your 'advice'  ::)
 
Perhaps you should caveat all of your posts with that statement  :-\
Title: Re: Carnedd Llewelyn route
Post by: DalesWalesLakesandPeaks on 21:31:43, 25/01/14
Hi guys,


Got a couple of days in the Carneddau in early April providing the weather behaves.


Got a question regarding the gully up to Pen Yr Ole Wen from Ffynnon Lloer.


Is the gully OK to descend as well as ascend? The reason I ask is that we may get there around noon on the day we arrive once we've put the tent up. I'm thinking of our first walk being just up to Ffynnon Lloer as a recce to find the gully and way up Pen Yr Ole Wen for the next day walk of Pen Yr Ole Wen, Daffydd and Llewelyn.


If we find the gully OK I may get up to Pen Yr Ole Wen and come back down the same way and leave Daffydd and Llewellyn for an early start the next day. Any thoughts, experiences?


Cheers.


 O0
Title: Re: Carnedd Llewelyn route
Post by: snakehips on 10:11:06, 26/01/14
the gully up is ok never been down it though but should be ok but you could just as easily go to dafydd from there and bear right down the grassy slope and follow the little stream back down to the lake just be carefull of the grags above the lake obviously this a route for good visibility O0 O0
Title: Re: Carnedd Llewelyn route
Post by: joester on 10:16:23, 26/01/14
That's what I was going to suggest.  There isn't much work to do to visit Dafydd from P.y.O.W, then just keep heading east onto the ridge, and descend the ground named 'Rhos Bodesi' on the map, probably from about the point on the ridge where the map gridlines cross.


You could descend the gully without any great difficulty, there are no hard moves.  You might find the top of it hard to locate in decent, so take good note of what the terrain behind you looks like when you ascend.  Getting it wrong would mean finding yourself on dangerous ground.
Title: Re: Carnedd Llewelyn route
Post by: Gary on 10:24:34, 26/01/14
Been up and down the gully a good number of times and no problem either way
Title: Re: Carnedd Llewelyn route
Post by: DalesWalesLakesandPeaks on 10:39:41, 26/01/14
Thanks gents, that's all very helpful. I look into the descent of Daffydd now as well.


As for locating the top of the gully again, I'll mark a waypoint at the top on my way up on the GPS which should help me locate it on the way back.


Thanks again.


 O0
Title: Re: Carnedd Llewelyn route
Post by: DalesWalesLakesandPeaks on 10:56:43, 26/01/14
That's what I was going to suggest.  There isn't much work to do to visit Dafydd from P.y.O.W, then just keep heading east onto the ridge, and descend the ground named 'Rhos Bodesi' on the map, probably from about the point on the ridge where the map gridlines cross.


Something like this? Avoiding the steep ground above Ffynnon Lloer...


(http://i40.tinypic.com/2rfx4xs.jpg)
Title: Re: Carnedd Llewelyn route
Post by: joester on 12:52:05, 26/01/14
Yes, something like that.  I've taken that route in ascent when doing the Oggie 8, it's ok.
Title: Re: Carnedd Llewelyn route
Post by: DalesWalesLakesandPeaks on 13:02:05, 26/01/14
Yes, something like that.  I've taken that route in ascent when doing the Oggie 8, it's ok.


Thanks again for your help.


 ;)
Title: Re: Carnedd Llewelyn route
Post by: stevecooper88 on 23:29:42, 09/10/17
hi guys, I would like to hike mountains in this area but I would like to go with someone and no one I know Is interested. I do Scafell Pike and old man of Coniston on a regular basis and I am climbing Kilimanjaro next year so I need some more mountain training. Is anyone interested in joining me on a few hikes around England and Wales? Thanks Steve