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Title: Best 1 person bomb proof tent vote
Post by: coby on 21:07:01, 02/03/18
Given our recent weather what do the NICE and FRIENDLY folks in the forum think is  the most weather proof, last tent standing when all others are wiped out in a Scottish hoolie....one person bunker tent ??  O0 ...


For me there can be only one


Hilleberg Soulo...


2nd scarptent 1 with crossover poles


Vote now !


Title: Re: Best 1 person bomb proof tent vote
Post by: NeilC on 20:15:04, 05/03/18
I wouldn't really have a clue. But at c.£700 and 2.4KG for a one man - it would have to be bomb-proof and possibly make the evening meal for me!


I'm guessing there won't be many tents stronger than that given that kind of weight from that manufacturer.
Title: Re: Best 1 person bomb proof tent vote
Post by: tonyk on 21:39:21, 05/03/18
 Vango Force Ten expedition tent.Ideal for a group of three where it can be split between loads but a little on the heavy side for the solo backpacker.
Title: Re: Best 1 person bomb proof tent vote
Post by: Maggot on 22:22:36, 05/03/18
Just go for a bivi bag and hide behind a wall to sleep!  They weigh a few ounces and you feel more at one with nature  ;D
Title: Re: Best 1 person bomb proof tent vote
Post by: gunwharfman on 11:23:53, 06/03/18
Yes 'Maggot', that's my thinking, that's why I have recently bought myself a Snugpack Stratosphere. I have one little hiccup to consider. As an older person I suffer from a Hiatus Hernia. I am well in control of it this days but after a meal and a few pints I know that to increase my comfort, its best if most of my sleep period is done on my left side. Gravity helps to maximise the curvature of the stomach, which minimises the chance of stomach acid seeping back to the base of my oesophagus.
Title: Re: Best 1 person bomb proof tent vote
Post by: Mylo on 12:48:26, 07/03/18
A toss up between the Lightwave S10 Sigma and the Tarptent Scarp 1.

In 3rd place the Nordisk Halland 2 (technically a 2 man tent or a very roomy 1 man + dog  :)  )
Title: Re: Best 1 person bomb proof tent vote
Post by: coby on 17:42:56, 07/03/18
I still love my soulo so easy to pitch but yep its a beast to carry...i feel naked in a bivy cant get used to it😰 i just like the protection a tent gives when battling the elements and midgies
Title: Re: Best 1 person bomb proof tent vote
Post by: Welsh Rambler on 20:09:18, 11/03/18
Yes 'Maggot', that's my thinking, that's why I have recently bought myself a Snugpack Stratosphere. I have one little hiccup to consider. As an older person I suffer from a Hiatus Hernia. I am well in control of it this days but after a meal and a few pints I know that to increase my comfort, its best if most of my sleep period is done on my left side. Gravity helps to maximise the curvature of the stomach, which minimises the chance of stomach acid seeping back to the base of my oesophagus.
Hi Gunwharfman, do you use the Snugpack with a tarp or as a standalone shelter? If the latter are they waterproof in heavy rain and where do you put your kit?
Regards Keith

Title: Re: Best 1 person bomb proof tent vote
Post by: Thedogsmother on 23:06:23, 12/03/18
MSR Elixir 1 has been really good to me. Sturdy, lightweight, good shape that can take a real storm battering. Good headroom.
Title: Re: Best 1 person bomb proof tent vote
Post by: gunwharfman on 13:05:56, 13/03/18
Good question Welsh Rambler. I seem to now have 2 or 3 options to play with. I have the Snugpack, I also have an Alpkit 3.5 Tarp. My other choice which I think I will go for first is to use the outer cover of my Zepyros 1 as my tarp. I've used it once, (only in the garden) it gives me the choice to have it half erected (head end under tarp, feet end sticking out) or if the weather is really bad or I want better privacy I can fully enclose myself under it.

I can use the Snugpack as a stand-alone but as you notice that will present me with the problem of where do I put my rucksack and boots? I haven't thought that out yet. I suppose boots could go either side of my head? One suggestion has been to see if my rucksack will fit into the head end of the Snugpack, not sure about this? If it works where will my boots go?

Perhaps I could secure my rucksack to a fence or tree whilst I sleep, still got to think it all through. Maybe buy one of those netting steel locks for my rucksack security?
Title: Re: Best 1 person bomb proof tent vote
Post by: shoarthing on 15:18:39, 13/03/18
I can recommend - from firsthand use - a Hilleberg Unna (with Staika 10.25mm poles) . . . . but again this is over 2kg, & really only a ‘must-have’ tent if you are both *very* tall & like/need a roomy bunker.
The Soulo is too small for me, & both are ridiculously expensive. But excellent.
Title: Re: Best 1 person bomb proof tent vote
Post by: Troggy on 21:39:09, 19/03/18
Well, I haven't experienced that many to be able to say what is the best. The only really top quality tent that I've had was a Laser Comp 2 and that stood up pretty well to a really howling, wet,blowy camp on the road to Keswick.  What I've got though, which I know has had some really good reviews after camping in foul weather, is a Tiger Paws 1 man tent. It's big enough to take all your kit inside, while leaving muddy boots in the porch. It's quite good for head room and tall enough at the foot end to allow my big plates of meat, some wiggle room. Porch ain't the biggest though.

As I'm a confirmed wimp, I've sewn in most of the mesh panels with lightweight solid tent nylon, so it's not too draughty and I've sewn a couple of pegging points (one on each side) to lessen the movement on the side panels. I just need a donkey now to carry the thing, while I re-write travels with the said companion! I would be confident in using the tiger paws though, in the same conditions. So that'd get my vote...so at least it's got one!

Title: Re: Best 1 person bomb proof tent vote
Post by: Rajboy on 21:35:09, 24/03/18
If you use 2 trek Poles try out some Pyramid/Hexamid shelters.
Plenty of cheap copies on Aliexpress to experiment with to see if you like them first with no great investment
Lightweight, proven in weather.
Look backpacking light.co.uk...Bob Cartwright..Hexpeak, Mini Peak 2 as starters
Add your own chosen inner or in Summer, leave at home and replace with  midge net.
Google the US Cottage Industries...MLD, Tarptent, ZPacks, HMG, Japanese locus gear.....
Agree, Tarptent Scarp bomber for Winter.
Look tents ULOG, Darlington.
Title: Re: Best 1 person bomb proof tent vote
Post by: gunwharfman on 16:09:35, 25/03/18
Now that I have bought a Snugpack Stratosphere Bivi I need to decide, do I use it as a stand alone item or not? I have now played around with it, slept in it and have thought about how to manage my equipment, rucksack and boots mainly.

I did think of taking the outer cover of my Zepyros 1 tent and using it it as a Tarp but for my first outing at proper camping I think I've given up on this idea for the moment, it feels too big for what I think I need and my overall carry weight increases.

I've decided to take my Alpkit 3.5 Tarp with me instead, it will cover my head end and my torso and will offer sufficient space, either side of the Bivi to keep my rucksack covered, dry and safe. I think my boots will end up, one each side of my head, with my pillow in between. The other benefit of taking the Alpkit Tarp will be lower weight.

All I've got to do now is to go on a proper walk and test it out properly. I tried Tarping last May in the South of France but did not enjoy it, the weakness for me was the Alpkit Hunka that I took with me. I just couldn't adapt to being stuck in a long sausage for the night, getting in and out was a real faff. The reason I chose the Snugpack was because it has a raised head area and it has a long zip down one side so getting in and out will be much easier. A good test I think will be when I have to get organised when its raining, when I have to sleep all night in rain and when I wake and its raining. If I find yet again that, to Bivi and to Tarp, is not to my liking I have decided I will then either go back to my old tent for a while, or buy a Naturehike tent!
Title: Re: Best 1 person bomb proof tent vote
Post by: Troggy on 22:45:35, 25/03/18
Well, GunWharfMan,
I've often thought about bivvying and at one time bought a lightweight bivvy; and I also bought a DD 3m by 3m tarp as well. I tried the idea out on midsummer solstice near the top of Walla Crag. It was one of the most uncomfortable nights I've everspent outdoors! It diodn't help that I'd pitched on a slope and that for Midsummer, it was horrible drifting rain that just oersisted all night.

The set up wasn't that bad to be honest. The tarp did a decent job after I'd pegged it out as a sort wide ridge tent. So I was dry but midges galore in the humid, damp weather made me wish I'h just had a nice little tent I could just zip up and protect me from the little messengers from hell!

I still like the idea in a romantic, being at one with the universe, way but to be honest, the idea of being safe and sound in a tent is the way for me.

I wish you well in your experiment though; and if it works out for you, it would be nice to wake up right in the heart of mother nature.

I think, though, that for me the little Tiger Paws would do me just fine in a horrendous hoolie. Everything is inside, including all my gear and there's that sort of feeling of "Sanctuary" sitting inside a tent when the wind is howling and the rain is bucketing down.

I was, and still am, a bit attracted to the idea; but a bit of Naturehike, rather than Nature would win me round every time.
Title: Re: Best 1 person bomb proof tent vote
Post by: Maggot on 23:54:08, 25/03/18
It's all in the technique Troggy!  If there are midges, don't create the microclimate, and just pull the bivvy nice and tight around your head and got to sleep!


I love my ex-Army bivvy bag, it's massively spacious and hasn't leaked once in all the years I have been using it.  It stays in my bag, sidepocket and is great for emergencies and planned nights.  The tarp as a basha is also a fantasticly versatile piece of kit.



Title: Re: Best 1 person bomb proof tent vote
Post by: Troggy on 15:38:57, 26/03/18
Maggot. No thank you mate! Mind you, if I cut down massively, on all the junk I take, it might be ok. I am semi attracted to the prospect because the DD tarp, when I put it up with a covered head end, worked out quite well. It was nice and wide, quite tall at the front and I only needed one walking pole for the front end and a short pole for the head end.

The bivvy I had was quite a good make but only came up to the shoulders. I've looked at the ex army ones and they look as roomy as you say, with a big hood as well. Mayhap I'll have a look on ebay for an ex army bivvy and try it out properly one week end. Or perhaps one of those dutch ones.

I think I'll always prefer a tent but I should give it a proper go just to see if it would change my mind. By the way, how do you ensure there's no micro climate?
Title: Re: Best 1 person bomb proof tent vote
Post by: gunwharfman on 15:49:41, 26/03/18
Given a choice I'm sure that I too woulkd prefer a tent but I want to do more wild camping and am looking for the minum of fuss to get my head down and be more camping stealthy at the same time. Plus I'm hoping it will fit in better with my style of hiking, I don't want to stay anywhere in particular, I just like to get up early and go!

I'm totally independent as well, have my own shower and so on, so do not really need the benifits of a site, more importantly for me to find places to have a meal and a few drinks. Paying about £10 for a piece of 6' x 4' grass seems a bit wasteful to me.
Title: Re: Best 1 person bomb proof tent vote
Post by: jimbob on 17:10:14, 26/03/18
Has anyone had any actual  experience of the DD super-light Pyramid tent. It seems to be what I am looking for in a tent. Half the weight of my current coffin, twice the area. Single skin with option to buy an inner. Under £100.00  use walking pole.
The cheeks of my posterior are usually tightly clenched when it comes to spending any money, but may relax enough to cough up the dosh if anyone could actually recommend it from true experience. Most of the YouTube videos revolve around first actual use rather than a long term review. ( unless someone on here knows better??????)
Title: Re: Best 1 person bomb proof tent vote
Post by: Troggy on 19:15:55, 26/03/18
GW, I suppose I'm off the actual topic Re a best 1 person bomb proof tent, so on that subject, I cant' say what's best because I haven't tried that many. I would, however, have faith in the tiger paws to be a pretty hardy 1 man tent for anything outside winter conditions. So easy to put up, but a possible weakness because of the inner going up first.

 Most times though, I think it would a good shelter. It's a good dark green, 4 guys, 2 pre angled poles, so decent inner head height (100cm down to about 30cms at the foot end) 290 cms long and 110cm wide. If you were camped bum into the wind, I think it would be excellent in allowing the wind to flow over it. The same I'd say, applies to the foot end. As sod's law says the wind is bound to change during the night but the sides(likely to be the least resistant, would fare pretty well because of the slope, the pegging points and the guy. As soon as my big toes recover from partial toe nail removal, then I'm going to get out and give it a few trials in a good site which is open to the breezes up on the hill near Frodsham, Cheshire.

As for going wild camping I think your idea of your own shower would be great (did you buy it, or make one? I also like the idea of mixing a bit of wood fire cooking just to try it out. Your idea of finding a pub for vittles is also a winner in my books. I think it would be very appealing to hear nothing but the sounds of nature on waking up, as I suppose we have all experiencedcamp sites where you are jam packed into a field and some sods have no respect for others on the site, with music blaring away and potherbs shouting their heads off.

It doesn't have to be either or, of course as there are some good quiet sites. Hmm. Plenty of time for thought over the next few weeks of incarceration but I think the major weakness for me would be the facilities regading ablutions.
Title: Re: Best 1 person bomb proof tent vote
Post by: gunwharfman on 22:15:43, 26/03/18
I bought my shower head from Lifeventure, £10, I then bought a flexible bottle, can't remember from where. Its fairly easy to be rescourceful, I often will just pick up a discarded plastic water bottle that people tend to through away, the 1.5L or 2L ones are best. They can often be found in all sorts of places, hedgerows and the like, or in car park areas. I hate litter but as we know such items are often all over the place. I just find the water, loads of it in the Lakes, fill up my bottle, plug in my shower head, wrap a bit of cord around it, hang it up and stand under it and shower. I have to confess I only tend to use it when the weather is hot. The initial water is cold but I just grit my teeth and go for it. If I find and use an ordinary plastic bottle I will just hang it on my rucksack and dispose of it when I find a proper bin. I've often thought of taking a gas cooker and container to warm up some water but have never got around to it. I'm one of those people who hates using public showers, neurotic I know, but will do so when its really necessary.

I rember my last wild shower in the Lakes, just a few hundred yards from Black Sail Hut, no one around, very hot day and I was so sweaty. I felt human again afterwards and then went to the hut to get a cup of tea. Very nice!
Title: Re: Best 1 person bomb proof tent vote
Post by: Troggy on 23:04:24, 26/03/18
That's a good solution for having a shower away from campsites, but I don't think I'd fancy it cold though. As you say, for Summer warm days it suits you but I think I'd have to warm mine up first. A great idea of yours to re use and then recycle plastic bottles which, unfortunately are all to common in the country...and even worse in the towns!
Title: Re: Best 1 person bomb proof tent vote
Post by: Owen on 11:57:19, 27/03/18
The trouble with asking what the best tent is, is everyone has different ideals and camps in different terrain. A bivi bag and tarp might be fine in the south but next to useless in the Highlands. A tent that will stand up to winter on Cairngorm will be very heavy for the SWCP.


For 25 years I've been using a Macpac Microlite made in New Zealand, it's 2kg not that light by modern standards but has stood up to all sorts of bad weather. Macpac are now a different company they're are made in South-east Asia and are a shadow of their former selves. I decided to look for something new for a trip to Sarek in Arctic Lapland. I took a Tarptent Notch, this uses your trekking poles for support so the tent is only 800g. It managed OK most of the time but a night of heavy wet snow and another night of very heavy rain proved too much for it. I went back the next year and this time I used the Macpac, trouble with this is it's getting very old now and I did have some rain coming through a couple of times. I've now gone for a Trekkertent Phreeranger, it's a similar shape to the Macpac but uses lighter silicon/nylon, 1.2kg in total. I haven't had the chance to use it yet, I was planning to use it skiing the Kungladen but three months off sick have scuppered that plan. Up here in Scotland the ski season is beginning to come to an end and the snow is starting to melt so I should finally be able to try it out soon.
Title: Re: Best 1 person bomb proof tent vote
Post by: alan de enfield on 13:23:46, 27/03/18



I bought my shower head from Lifeventure, £10, I then bought a flexible bottle, can't remember from where. Its fairly easy to be rescourceful, I often will just pick up a discarded plastic water bottle that people tend to through away, the 1.5L or 2L ones are best.




I found these 'shower-heads' on ebay (3 for £0.99 inc delivery)
Standard thread and screw onto anything from 500ml bottles to 2 litre bottles.
Allows you to control flow simply by squeezing the bottle - AND - it doesn't all pour out at once.
If you fill up the bottle with cold water and wrap a black bin-bag (or similar) around it leave it in the Sun for a few hours it does get remarkably hot.

Edit to add : Still available here : https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/5Pcs-Bottle-Top-Watering-Garden-Plant-Watering-Seedling-Plant-Seed-Irrigation/302581424139?_trkparms=aid%3D555018%26algo%3DPL.SIM%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D49920%26meid%3Dca807f67216e4f1499f9106028705cd5%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D201967656580%26itm%3D302581424139&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/5Pcs-Bottle-Top-Watering-Garden-Plant-Watering-Seedling-Plant-Seed-Irrigation/302581424139?_trkparms=aid%3D555018%26algo%3DPL.SIM%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D49920%26meid%3Dca807f67216e4f1499f9106028705cd5%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D201967656580%26itm%3D302581424139&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851)


(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/ZCIAAOSwYeRZ6ZlQ/s-l1600.jpg)
The 'shower heads' are sold as plant watering devices.


Title: Re: Best 1 person bomb proof tent vote
Post by: Slogger on 15:55:34, 27/03/18
Ive got three tents.
1.  2 man, semi geodesic, Salewa Micra 2.3kg, very roomy and stable but a little heavy for solo stuff.
2. Solo, Mountain Technology Styleto, 1.3 kg, three hoop poles, extremely stable, porch big enough for cooking and sack as no room inside for it.
3. Solo, Terra Nove Photon Elite, 900 grm with bigger titaniun pegs than the wires supplied, no porch room for anything so sack is used as pillow inside, quite stable
Title: Re: Best 1 person bomb proof tent vote
Post by: Maggot on 21:31:42, 27/03/18
The trouble with asking what the best tent is, is everyone has different ideals and camps in different terrain. A bivi bag and tarp might be fine in the south but next to useless in the Highlands. 

Oh I don't know, it worked in the winter on the Falklands, although I'm not mad, I obviously put on a long sleeve t-shirt to sleep in ;D
Title: Re: Best 1 person bomb proof tent vote
Post by: Welsh Rambler on 21:32:12, 27/03/18
For those camping on a tight budget i just watched this review by Wiltshireman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lm8rsjCf7I0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lm8rsjCf7I0) of the Miltec Recon One tent which cost him £49  ::)  He tried it out on high ground near The Ridgeway when storm Frank was forecast. It stood up well and the only downside may be the weight 2.7kg but if you want bomb-proof on a budget there has to be a disadvantage to bear.


Regards Keith
Title: Re: Best 1 person bomb proof tent vote
Post by: Owen on 21:56:55, 27/03/18
Oh I don't know, it worked in the winter on the Falklands, although I'm not mad, I obviously put on a long sleeve t-shirt to sleep in ;D


You had a bivi bag! We had to buy our own. They finally caught up with us the day we flew home. All the time we were down there we had to use the old basha.
Title: Re: Best 1 person bomb proof tent vote
Post by: FOX160 on 20:56:25, 10/05/18
Given our recent weather what do the NICE and FRIENDLY folks in the forum think is  the most weather proof, last tent standing when all others are wiped out in a Scottish hoolie....one person bunker tent ??  O0 ...


For me there can be only one


Hilleberg Soulo...


2nd scarptent 1 with crossover poles


Vote now !


The Strat1 is Tarptents strongest tent then followed by the Scarp.
Title: Re: Best 1 person bomb proof tent vote
Post by: gunwharfman on 14:05:19, 11/05/18
My Zephyros 1 is a robust tent, I'm happy to use it in the winter but not in the summer. My 'summer' tent, a Marmot Pulsar is a good tent, spacious and I can sit upright in it but I wouldn't put it in the catagory of robust. I am always careful with it. I found out by experience that it doesn't allow a body to fall (kids larking about on the site) on it without damage, two of my poles just snapped in two! I couldn't get replacement but have made a bodge repair.
Title: Re: Best 1 person bomb proof tent vote
Post by: marmottungsten on 01:51:55, 18/05/18
The Marmot Tungsten 1P, in Shadow/Moss colour scheme, of course...a lot lighter than a Hilleberg Soulo, no condensation issues, it's a lot quicker to pitch and it's about quarter of the price!
Title: Re: Best 1 person bomb proof tent vote
Post by: April on 07:12:32, 18/05/18
Marmot Tungsten 1P or Hilleberg Soulo?

I know which tent I would rather spend a night on the fells in the Lake District. The Soulo! The Tungsten has a mesh inner does it not? Depending on where you pitch, this might not be suitable, where do you go hiking and climbing MT? In warmer climates?

Title: Re: Best 1 person bomb proof tent vote
Post by: beefy on 07:49:11, 18/05/18
The Marmot Tungsten 1P, in Shadow/Moss colour scheme, of course...a lot lighter than a Hilleberg Soulo, no condensation issues, it's a lot quicker to pitch and it's about quarter of the price!
In reality, All tents have condensation issues, subject to environmental conditions,
The hilleberg is built to endure bad weather, it may weigh and cost more, but it will be more comfortable, and probably last 10 times longer,
It depends where you camp and what weather conditions you go out in.
Marmot Tungsten 1P or Hilleberg Soulo?

I know which tent I would rather spend a night on the fells in the Lake District. The Soulo! The Tungsten has a mesh inner does it not? Depending on where you pitch, this might not be suitable, where do you go hiking and climbing MT? In warmer climates?


I guess a mesh inner means it's draughty
Therefore you would need a warmer sleeping bag to compensate
Hence more weight

Title: Re: Best 1 person bomb proof tent vote
Post by: marmottungsten on 12:18:01, 18/05/18
Marmot Tungsten 1P or Hilleberg Soulo?

I know which tent I would rather spend a night on the fells in the Lake District. The Soulo! The Tungsten has a mesh inner does it not? Depending on where you pitch, this might not be suitable, where do you go hiking and climbing MT? In warmer climates?


Yes, it does have a mesh inner, which is precisely why it does not get issues with condensation on the inside, like you will have almost certainly experienced with your Soulo.  In the morning you would have faced the frustration of having to wait around for the Sun to rise high enough to start drying out the condensation soaked interior of your Soulo, before you can finally put it away,  whereas the mesh interior of my Tungsten will already be practically bone dry, allowing me to be packed away quicker, and on my way much sooner. 
If you get impatient with how long the drying process is taking on your Soulo and decide to put it away when it's still damp, you will end up with a mouldy Soulo, whereas my Tungsten will still be mould free.
And no, it's not draughty inside, because the mesh, whilst being highly breathable, stops the wind coming through.  It makes the Tungsten a warm, dry and pleasant place to be at night, even on a cold, windy, hill top.
The rain fly on my Tungsten is not ultralight Nylon, it's far more robust Polyester, which does not sag when it gets wet, and dries much faster.  OK, it is a bit heavy for a backpacking tent, (still a couple of hundred grams lighter than Soulo though) but it's also built to last.  It even comes with a footprint as standard (included in the weight), though for use on sheep-shawn grassland, this could be left at home, saving more weight.
Title: Re: Best 1 person bomb proof tent vote
Post by: gunwharfman on 12:37:16, 18/05/18
Yes, for me the Tungstan 1P is more of a summer tent. I like it though because for a one man tent it has so much inner space. I've never found it draughty but maybe I've been lucky. What I did find once in the South of France was in a torrectial rain storn, the drops were hitting the ground very hard and some of the water droplets were then  bouncing under the outer tent and finished up inside the area where I was sleeping. Its only happened once and on the door side but I now know that in the wrong weather it could happen again. If I camp in the colder months I use my Zephyros One
Title: Re: Best 1 person bomb proof tent vote
Post by: April on 12:47:45, 18/05/18
Yes, it does have a mesh inner, which is precisely why it does not get issues with condensation on the inside, like you almost certainly will have experienced with your Soulo.

I don't have a Soulo  :)

If I was buying a one person tent and had the money, I know which one I would buy between the two and it wouldn't be a tent with an all mesh inner.

Can I ask where you go hiking? In the UK? High on the hills or in valleys? In my experience if I used a tent with a mesh inner I would be freezing. It is too windy, cold and damp most of the time where we go to have an all mesh inner.

Also, all tents can have condensation issues. If you are saying your mesh inner is dry, is this because the condensation droplets have dropped through the mesh onto you inside? If you are saying the outer has never had condensation on the inside that is quite incredible.

We have an MSR Elixir 2, not the lightest weight around, but it suits us for what we want. We have had no condensation issues, except normal dampness on the inside of the outer when the wind drops. Does your outer not get wet when it rains? Do you always wait until it is bone dry before you put it away? It rains a lot where we go, so putting the tent away wet is the norm!

It would be informative if you can tell us where you go hiking so we can judge how the gear you are telling us all we should have would perform where the rest of us go hiking.

Title: Re: Best 1 person bomb proof tent vote
Post by: alan de enfield on 13:21:27, 18/05/18



It would be informative if you can tell us where you go hiking so we can judge how the gear you are telling us all we should have would perform where the rest of us go hiking.


My opinion is that these 100% mesh tents are designed, and used in warm countries that don't actually need a tent, but do need a 'mosquito net'.


The American manufacturers seem to lead in this - but - even MSR (eg the Hubba Hubba) have moved to 50% mesh allowing your moisture laden breath to go thru and condense on the fly-sheet, whilst keeping draughts above your body level when lying down..


Even my Chinese copy (of the Hubba Hubba) has followed this rather than chasing weight and cost downs.


When  it gets to the stage of cutting down the handle of your tooth brush, and other gram / ounce saving methods its either time to adapt, give up or accept that 'comfort costs' (in weight and volume)


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Title: Re: Best 1 person bomb proof tent vote
Post by: gunwharfman on 13:21:48, 18/05/18
My Pulsar 1 suffers from condensation at times. I've been in my tent more than once and drops of water have landed my my face, the mesh stops it at first but when the droplets merge together, they become too heavy and just drip on me. Thats when I know its time to get up!
Title: Re: Best 1 person bomb proof tent vote
Post by: marmottungsten on 14:19:11, 18/05/18
I don't have a Soulo  :)

If I was buying a one person tent and had the money, I know which one I would buy between the two and it wouldn't be a tent with an all mesh inner.

Can I ask where you go hiking? In the UK? High on the hills or in valleys? In my experience if I used a tent with a mesh inner I would be freezing. It is too windy, cold and damp most of the time where we go to have an all mesh inner.

Also, all tents can have condensation issues. If you are saying your mesh inner is dry, is this because the condensation droplets have dropped through the mesh onto you inside? If you are saying the outer has never had condensation on the inside that is quite incredible.

We have an MSR Elixir 2, not the lightest weight around, but it suits us for what we want. We have had no condensation issues, except normal dampness on the inside of the outer when the wind drops. Does your outer not get wet when it rains? Do you always wait until it is bone dry before you put it away? It rains a lot where we go, so putting the tent away wet is the norm!

It would be informative if you can tell us where you go hiking so we can judge how the gear you are telling us all we should have would perform where the rest of us go hiking.


In the Surrey hills.  The first weekend after receiving my Tungsten from the States, I went out to one of the hills in Surrey and about an hour after going to bed a massive thunderstorm with heavy rain came through and lasted for several hours...Not a drop of moisture was felt on the inside.  The key is ventilation.  Allow the damp air to flow through your tent and escape and you don't get condensation...Of course, having a tent that has a rain fly that reaches the ground all around the tent also helps.  I always guy out the bottom, middle, outer guy point of the tent to give extra ventilation.
Title: Re: Best 1 person bomb proof tent vote
Post by: alan de enfield on 14:28:11, 18/05/18


  Allow the damp air to flow through your tent and escape and you don't get condensation...Of course, having a tent that has a rain fly that reaches the ground all around the tent also helps. 


Isn't that a bit of a contradiction ?
If your fly is all the way down to the ground how do you get a good flow of air to "flow through your tent and escape" ?


Your set-up sounds almost like a tarp tent with a 'mozzy net'.
Title: Re: Best 1 person bomb proof tent vote
Post by: beefy on 15:18:23, 18/05/18

Yes, it does have a mesh inner, which is precisely why it does not get issues with condensation on the inside, like you will have almost certainly experienced with your Soulo.  In the morning you would have faced the frustration of having to wait around for the Sun to rise high enough to start drying out the condensation soaked interior of your Soulo, before you can finally put it away,  whereas the mesh interior of my Tungsten will already be practically bone dry, allowing me to be packed away quicker, and on my way much sooner. 
If you get impatient with how long the drying process is taking on your Soulo and decide to put it away when it's still damp, you will end up with a mouldy Soulo, whereas my Tungsten will still be mould free.
And no, it's not draughty inside, because the mesh, whilst being highly breathable, stops the wind coming through.  It makes the Tungsten a warm, dry and pleasant place to be at night, even on a cold, windy, hill top.
The rain fly on my Tungsten is not ultralight Nylon, it's far more robust Polyester, which does not sag when it gets wet, and dries much faster.  OK, it is a bit heavy for a backpacking tent, (still a couple of hundred grams lighter than Soulo though) but it's also built to last.  It even comes with a footprint as standard (included in the weight), though for use on sheep-shawn grassland, this could be left at home, saving more weight.
By condensation on the inside I presume your talking about the mesh inner and not the inside of the flysheet, all tents get condensation under the fly .
We pack the tent away after camping wet or dry, how do you pack yours away dry if it's still raining?
Then dry it off at home, hence no mould...
If mesh blocks wind, why do hilleberg make their 4 season tents with the ability to zip up the mesh panels to eliminate wind?


 
Title: Re: Best 1 person bomb proof tent vote
Post by: marmottungsten on 20:40:40, 18/05/18
By condensation on the inside I presume your talking about the mesh inner and not the inside of the flysheet, all tents get condensation under the fly .


But some get a lot more than others!...Allowing air flow to through between the mesh inner and outer fly reduces it to next to nothing. 

Quote from: beefy
We pack the tent away after camping wet or dry, how do you pack yours away dry if it's still raining?


I don't, or at least I haven't had to yet...But then, I don't plan on going camping when bad weather is forecast anyway.


Quote from: beefy
Then dry it off at home, hence no mould...
If mesh blocks wind, why do hilleberg make their 4 season tents with the ability to zip up the mesh panels to eliminate wind?


They are obviously using the wrong mesh!  American "No See Um" mesh is dense enough to block wind.
Title: Re: Best 1 person bomb proof tent vote
Post by: Mel on 21:03:55, 18/05/18
...don't plan on going camping when bad weather is forecast anyway.



Lol, does anybody? 


Condensation on the inside of the flysheet is caused more by breathing + the difference in temperature between the inside of the tent and the outside.  If you experience this then it's a sign that (a) you're alive; and (b) you're sleeping inside the tent.   ;)



Title: Re: Best 1 person bomb proof tent vote
Post by: marmottungsten on 21:05:04, 18/05/18

Isn't that a bit of a contradiction ?
If your fly is all the way down to the ground how do you get a good flow of air to "flow through your tent and escape" ?


Your set-up sounds almost like a tarp tent with a 'mozzy net'.


Not really...certain tents have rain flies that do not reach the ground, in fact they sometimes have rain flies that stop a foot or so above it!...Like the Nemo Hornet...This is done to try and save weight, literally by reducing the amount of material used for the fly, but driving rain can easily work its way under the elevated fly and into the mesh inner tent. I have seen review videos for the Hornet on you tube where they have experienced this exact problem.  That is an extremely poor design, because driving rain can easily get under the fly causing much larger moisture build up, which can then drip or even pour onto the inner tent leaving those inside damp and miserable.  A well designed tent, like the Tungsten, has a rain fly that almost reaches right down to the ground, but is spaced out from the innner inner tent by a couple of inches, allowing air to pass through between them but not rain.  And there is less chance of any rain splashes finding there way under such a low fly too.  Good airflow between the inner tent and and outer fly is the key to minimise condensation.  A completely sealed tent with no ventilation would be a condensation nightmare!
Title: Re: Best 1 person bomb proof tent vote
Post by: marmottungsten on 21:10:22, 18/05/18
My Pulsar 1 suffers from condensation at times. I've been in my tent more than once and drops of water have landed my my face, the mesh stops it at first but when the droplets merge together, they become too heavy and just drip on me. Thats when I know its time to get up!


Sounds like you are simply not guying out the sides enough to get good airflow through the tent, and/or leaving the built in vent closed. 
Title: Re: Best 1 person bomb proof tent vote
Post by: gunwharfman on 09:54:12, 19/05/18
I've had my tent for a long time and know it very well. As Mel writes, much condensation is caused by breathing, I agree with that. In my experience condensation also seems to happens over a range of temperatures, I sometimes get a little which is no bother but sometimes the condensation is 'heavier', especially in the autumn and can blend together to form large droplets. Is not a problem for me, I'm just acknowledging that it happens sometimes. One thing I do notice however is that large slugs seem to like the damp inner tent a lot, in the morning I often find them right at the top of my mesh. It used be a bit unnerving waking up in the middle of the night to see a large slithery thing gradually making it up the side of my inner tent but I'm now used to it.

As a related matter. I used to always fill my flexible water container and leave it lying down between the innner and outer tent near to my head, before I settled down to sleep, but I became really fed up with mice running back and forth across it, I'm sure they thought it was just a fun water bed!

I've had a few drips on my face in certain weather conditions but never enough to have an effect on my sleeping bag or anything else.
Title: Re: Best 1 person bomb proof tent vote
Post by: marmottungsten on 14:59:24, 19/05/18
The first night I went camping with my Tungsten I found a single, big, black, slug under my footprint the following morning but none on my mesh inner or inside the fly so maybe they just don't like my Tungsten.  I certainly haven't seen any mice running around my tent.  Whereabouts are you...US or UK?  I'm just wondering if the mice thing is something only common to the States, as I often see you tube videos from the US where they mention mice eating their food, or chewing on their expensive equipment, but haven't heard of anything like that here.
Title: Re: Best 1 person bomb proof tent vote
Post by: April on 20:57:10, 20/05/18
I went out to one of the hills in Surrey and about an hour after going to bed a massive thunderstorm with heavy rain came through and lasted for several hours...Not a drop of moisture was felt on the inside.

Which tent are you comparing this to? You must have had some crap tents in the past if you think this is some sort of exception. I would be returning a tent to get a refund if I got wet after a few hours of rain.

Allowing air flow to through between the mesh inner and outer fly reduces it to next to nothing. 

This is the same as with a more solid inner

But then, I don't plan on going camping when bad weather is forecast anyway.

This thread is about the best bombproof tent, you say you camp low level (the Surrey hills' highest is 292m seemingly) and you don't go out in bad weather, perhaps you need to get a bit more experience in adverse conditions before you can recommend your tent as the best bomb proof tent.

I certainly haven't seen any mice running around my tent. Whereabouts are you...US or UK?  I'm just wondering if the mice thing is something only common to the States

We do have mice in the UK

Condensation on the inside of the flysheet is caused more by breathing + the difference in temperature between the inside of the tent and the outside.  If you experience this then it's a sign that (a) you're alive; and (b) you're sleeping inside the tent.   ;)

 ;D
Title: Re: Best 1 person bomb proof tent vote
Post by: marmottungsten on 00:51:05, 21/05/18
Which tent are you comparing this to? You must have had some crap tents in the past if you think this is some sort of exception. I would be returning a tent to get a refund if I got wet after a few hours of rain.

This is the same as with a more solid inner


No it's not, because solid inners are not as breathable as mesh!

 
Quote from: April


We do have mice in the UK



Yes, but have you ever had them running in or around your tent, or eating through your food bag or other equipment?  No, didn't think so!  Hence why I think this may a problem peculiar to the States...Perhaps they have a different species of mouse over there that is more bolder than ours?
Title: Re: Best 1 person bomb proof tent vote
Post by: April on 08:53:49, 21/05/18
American "No See Um" mesh is dense enough to block wind.

No it's not, because solid inners are not as breathable as mesh!

This seems to be a bit contradictory. So you say the mesh inner blocks wind but not air flow? It is very clever mesh to be able to do this.

Yes, but have you ever had them running in or around your tent, or eating through your food bag or other equipment? 

Yes. On campsites but not when wild camping. We have even seen mice on Helvellyn summit in the cross shelter scurrying around eating the crumbs people were dropping. They weren't scared of people at all.
Title: Re: Best 1 person bomb proof tent vote
Post by: marmottungsten on 09:22:36, 21/05/18
This seems to be a bit contradictory. So you say the mesh inner blocks wind but not air flow? It is very clever mesh to be able to do this.



It's about breathability...Just like American "No See Um" mesh, as used on tents like my Tungsten, Gore-Tex is a breathable material you will have heard of...As a breathable material, it stops wind and rain from coming through but it lets moist air pass out through the fabric, keeping you dry and warm...And that is exactly what a mesh inner tent does.  Solid inner tents are more like the old PVC coated Nylon waterproofs you used to get...They may stop wind and water, but unlike Gore-Tex, they are not breathable, so they do not allow moist air to pass back out out through the fabric, making you feel damp and clammy.  This in turn can make you feel cold and miserable, especially if it's cold out too.  Moist air caused by your breath and sweat is trapped inside a solid inner tent, causing condensation to form on the inside, which will run down onto the floor of the inner tent, making your sleeping bag damp.  This can greatly reduce how warm it can keep you, giving you a cold, damp and restless nights sleep.  But a mesh inner allows this moisture to escape, keeping you and your sleeping bag much drier and consequently much warmer.
Title: Re: Best 1 person bomb proof tent vote
Post by: beefy on 09:51:16, 21/05/18
Quote
Moist air caused by your breath and sweat is trapped inside a solid inner tent, causing condensation to form on the inside, which will run down onto the floor of the inner tent, making your sleeping bag damp.  This can greatly reduce how warm it can keep you, giving you a cold, damp and restless nights sleep.  But a mesh inner allows this moisture to escape, keeping you and your sleeping bag much drier and consequently much warmer.
Our MSR doesn't  Get condensation inside the inner,
A space blanket wrapped over your sleeping bag would end up causing a build up of moisture wetting your bag !!!
Surely all this nonsense has to be a wind up  :D
It's Entertaining though   ;D


Title: Re: Best 1 person bomb proof tent vote
Post by: NeilC on 09:58:51, 21/05/18
Mesh reduces (to near zero) the chances of condensation forming directly on the inner tent. It does nothing to prevent it forming on the outer tent. That is a ventilation issue but can never be completely overcome. The more ventilation the more draughty the tent unfortunately. In a lot of UK conditions, condensation forming on the fly is pretty much guaranteed, which is why we have two skinned tents in the first place. Mesh is nothing like Goretex and doesn't work the same way whatsoever. "Solid" inners are not PVC or coated and are very breathable anyway. Not as breathable as mesh obviously but much more draught-proof and better able to shed water drops.

No-see-um mesh is not wind-proof. 100% mesh inners are generally made for the US market because they're less suited to the colder, damp conditions of the UK and Nordic countries. There's a reason firms like Hilleberg don't do 100% mesh inners for expedition tents - because they've found it's not the best material for max warmth or longevity. That's just the way it is. Most mid-range tents tend to have part mesh - usually above the height of a prone body to reduce the draughts whilst still allowing for the better ventilation and weight-saving (maybe the main reason in reality) of mesh. They could easily use all mesh but they don't.

Mesh is less effective at stopping condensation dripping from the fly but that is also a very much a design issue and a well designed tent will minimise this. However if the tent is buffeted by winds then it can happen and in those conditions a more solid inner can be better especially if treated with DWR.


As for "bomb-proofness" it's silly to pretend tents like that Marmot are in the same league as Hilleberg, a company famous for making amongst the strongest expedition-ready tents in the world, albeit some pretty heavy ones. I'm sure it a good tent and quite probably more suited to average 2/3 season backpacking for many people. But it's not the last word in strength.

I'm sure the Tungsten is a great tent. Looks better than mine that's for sure. And will be comfortable and practical for most the sort of backpacking people on site do. I doubt it would be first choice for the climbing dudes who camp out in gale force storms and driven snow in the Highlands. So defo would not be on my list as the most bomb-proof tent.

Having said that the Soulo is not Hillebergs most bombproof tent anyway so still wouldn't win that title.


Title: Re: Best 1 person bomb proof tent vote
Post by: beefy on 13:00:10, 21/05/18


Yes, but have you ever had them running in or around your tent, or eating through your food bag or other equipment?  No, didn't think so! 
Actually YES we have, as April has already commented  :P

Title: Re: Best 1 person bomb proof tent vote
Post by: April on 13:13:33, 21/05/18
Solid inner tents are more like the old PVC coated Nylon waterproofs you used to get

I think you are getting a bit mixed up here. Do you think we mean a single skin tent when we mention solid inners?

Title: Re: Best 1 person bomb proof tent vote
Post by: richardh1905 on 19:49:00, 13/06/18
I've had a think about this, and, despite its weight, I think that I would rather be in my old Force 10 MK2 than anything else when the weather really gets rough. A tent that will NOT let me down; solid as a rock.
Title: Re: Best 1 person bomb proof tent vote
Post by: Rajboy on 20:16:32, 13/06/18
Solid Inners on tents or custom inners for single skin shelters.
BREATHABLE Ripstop nylons. ::)
Just google 'Extremtextile' to get the info'.
MSR, Big Agnes, Nemo etc, use the lightest denier weight ripstop nylons.
....... ::) ::)
Not rocket science 8)
Title: Re: Best 1 person bomb proof tent vote
Post by: beefy on 20:59:28, 13/06/18
Solid Inners on tents or custom inners for single skin shelters.
BREATHABLE Ripstop nylons. ::)
Just google 'Extremtextile' to get the info'.
MSR, Big Agnes, Nemo etc, use the lightest denier weight ripstop nylons.
....... ::) ::)
Not rocket science 8)
Eh ?  :-\
Title: Re: Best 1 person bomb proof tent vote
Post by: Rajboy on 21:57:04, 13/06/18
 ::)
Title: Re: Best 1 person bomb proof tent vote
Post by: beefy on 22:10:22, 13/06/18
Which tents use rocket science  ;D
Title: Re: Best 1 person bomb proof tent vote
Post by: alan de enfield on 22:13:20, 13/06/18
Which tents use rocket science  ;D




"So far, any exploration of the moon has been severely limited by how far astronauts can roam from their lunar lander in a single jaunt. What could really revolutionize this process is the option to remain overnight awayfrom the lunar lander. So the MIT team, led by Samuel Schreiner, built a space-compatible tent. The two-person mobile overnight habitat consists of an inflatable pod; a reflective shield to prevent the sun’s rays from roasting explorers; life support systems on the rover that will supply oxygen, water, and food, maintain the habitat's temperature, scrub out carbon dioxide, and remove excess humidity; and a flexible roll-out solar array to supply the shelter’s power and recharge the rover's batteries. Inflatable pressurized tubes would serve as support ribs for the 425-cubic-foot pill-shaped space."





http://mentalfloss.com/article/65050/space-tent-could-revolutionize-moon-exploration (http://mentalfloss.com/article/65050/space-tent-could-revolutionize-moon-exploration)
Title: Re: Best 1 person bomb proof tent vote
Post by: April on 22:20:35, 13/06/18
Alan, I think this tent may be a bit too heavy for backpacking ;)

Title: Re: Best 1 person bomb proof tent vote
Post by: alan de enfield on 22:24:28, 13/06/18
Alan, I think this tent may be a bit too heavy for backpacking ;)



Don't forget that it will 'weigh less' on the moon - but it does answer the question 'which tents use rocket science' (this one does to get to the camp-site)
Title: Re: Best 1 person bomb proof tent vote
Post by: April on 22:28:00, 13/06/18
Don't forget that it will 'weigh less' on the moon - but it does answer the question 'which tents use rocket science' (this one does to get to the camp-site)

 ;D

But will it be bomb proof?  ;)
Title: Re: Best 1 person bomb proof tent vote
Post by: beefy on 05:54:21, 14/06/18
;D

But will it be bomb proof?  ;)
Ask marmotungsten, but don't forget your poles because it might be difficult finding mouldy old sticks on the moon  ;D
Title: Re: Best 1 person bomb proof tent vote
Post by: Requiem on 19:32:37, 14/06/18
Wild Country Coshee 1 - about 1.5KG, sits v close to the ground so good in windy weather, very waterproof, packs down quite small, very cheap to get hold, goes up all in one in about 5 minutes and only real drawback is that its v low so a struggle to sit up in. Very much sits between a hooped bivvy and a one man tent


Roy
Title: Re: Best 1 person bomb proof tent vote
Post by: marmottungsten on 10:40:09, 17/06/18
Just go for a bivi bag and hide behind a wall to sleep!  They weigh a few ounces and you feel more at one with nature  ;D


They weigh more than a few ounces...They can weigh as much as a two man tent!
Title: Re: Best 1 person bomb proof tent vote
Post by: gunwharfman on 12:24:15, 17/06/18
On the face of it a tent and/or a bivi might sound OK, being light or lightish. I think my tent is 'light enough' but when I add my groundsheet, mattress, sleeping bag, the water that I need, the rucksack that I carry and any other stuff I might need for a comfortable night, suddenly the weight rises! I personally find that its the overall weight of all the items needed for a purpose that matters, not one item. I could suggest that my tent is bomproof, it is in a way for me because I'm very careful in how and where I use it. If I wasn't careful then it would not be bombproof, neither I suspect would any other tent?
Title: Re: Best 1 person bomb proof tent vote
Post by: marmottungsten on 14:07:42, 17/06/18
On the face of it a tent and/or a bivi might sound OK, being light or lightish. I think my tent is 'light enough' but when I add my groundsheet, mattress, sleeping bag, the water that I need, the rucksack that I carry and any other stuff I might need for a comfortable night, suddenly the weight rises!


Which is precisely why ultralight camping gear was invented!  You can buy the lightest kit in the world but there are some things you need to carry that are very heavy...Obviously water is one of them...One of the heaviest items you will need to carry in fact, but even here you can minimise how much you need to carry by only carrying a minimal amount with you and then using one of the plethora of different water filters that are now available along with you, so that you can fill up when you need to from natural water sources you find along the way.
Food is another heavy item you need to carry.  Carrying dehydrated foods helps to minimise weight but you can save even more weight by carrying less prepackaged food and eating wild foods you find on your way (edible leaves, fruits and fungi for instance).
Title: Re: Best 1 person bomb proof tent vote
Post by: alan de enfield on 14:57:03, 17/06/18

Which is precisely why ultralight camping gear was invented!  You can buy the lightest kit in the world but there are some things you need to carry that are very heavy...Obviously water is one of them...One of the heaviest items you will need to carry in fact, …..



The Army Rumour Service (ARSSE) have picked up on the fact that a US hiking equipment supplier are about to launch de-hydrated water, you simply carry lightweight bottles of Hydrogen and Oxygen, open the valves and mix in the ration of 2:1 and you have reconstituted water.


https://www.[censored].co.uk/community/



You seem to have your 'finger on the pulse' of lightweight gear - have you heard anything about it ?
Title: Re: Best 1 person bomb proof tent vote
Post by: Owen on 16:51:02, 17/06/18

Food is another heavy item you need to carry.  Carrying dehydrated foods helps to minimise weight but you can save even more weight by carrying less prepackaged food and eating wild foods you find on your way (edible leaves, fruits and fungi for instance).


Have you ever actually tried this? It's not as easy as it sounds. You might be able to pop the odd berry into your mouth while your walking, in the right season, but beyond that it's not really an option you can rely on.


Technically, all fruits and plants belong to someone, even ones in the hedge rows, so picking them without the landowners permission is strictly speaking theft. 
Title: Re: Best 1 person bomb proof tent vote
Post by: marmottungsten on 21:51:24, 17/06/18

Have you ever actually tried this? It's not as easy as it sounds. You might be able to pop the odd berry into your mouth while your walking, in the right season, but beyond that it's not really an option you can rely on.


Technically, all fruits and plants belong to someone, even ones in the hedge rows, so picking them without the landowners permission is strictly speaking theft.


If you are on a public footpath and you come across some nettles, do you really think anyone cares if you pick them?  If a landowner wanted to stop people taking wild foods on their land, they would fence them off with high barbed wire fences...If they don't then it's because landowners don't give a toss what wild foods you eat along a trail as long as it's not something they eat themselves or something that effects their livelyhood.  How many farmers do you know that pick Haws as a commercial crop?
Perhaps I should mention that water falls from the sky and because of that you may think it is free...but once it gets into a river it belongs to someone too...The local river/waterways authority...Is that going to stop you taking a litre or so of that water from a river to drink via a water filter, or are you going to send a groveling letter to the local waterways authority where you are planning to hike, humbly asking their permission to take a little in advance?  ::)


Wild camping is technically illegal...English law states you need the landowners permission to camp anywhere...Yet loads of people do it and do not get prosecuted, firstly because they don't tell anyone they are going to do it, and secondly because they are packed up and gone in the morning before anyone is the wiser...What a landowner doesn't know, doesn't hurt them!  And that goes for picking wild foods too.
Title: Re: Best 1 person bomb proof tent vote
Post by: Mel on 23:32:32, 17/06/18


... meanwhile, back in the real world.....



Title: Re: Best 1 person bomb proof tent vote
Post by: jimbob on 00:18:43, 18/06/18

... meanwhile, back in the real world.....
O0 O0
Title: Re: Best 1 person bomb proof tent vote
Post by: Nomad32 on 23:29:29, 22/06/18
My twopenn'orth is the terra nova laser competition 2. I've put it through it's paces and it's stood strong and true. Love that tent and it weighs less than 1k
Title: Re: Best 1 person bomb proof tent vote
Post by: richardh1905 on 07:34:07, 23/06/18

My twopenn'orth is the terra nova laser competition 2. I've put it through it's paces and it's stood strong and true. Love that tent and it weighs less than 1k


Would you recommend it for winter use?
Title: Re: Best 1 person bomb proof tent vote
Post by: richardh1905 on 11:33:38, 05/07/18

I really fancy a Terra Nova Southern Cross for year round wild camping:

https://www.terra-nova.co.uk/tents-and-spares/all-tents/southern-cross-1/ (https://www.terra-nova.co.uk/tents-and-spares/all-tents/southern-cross-1/)

Looks absolutely bombproof.
Title: Re: Best 1 person bomb proof tent vote
Post by: Owen on 13:06:15, 05/07/18
I was interested in the southern cross when I was looking last year, but I couldn't find anyone who actually had one in stock to look at. I went for a Trekkertent Phreeranger in the end. I still have the Tarptent Notch as well but that's quite a small inner space and it's a half mesh inner.
The standard inner on the Phreeranger is also half mesh, I ordered a solid fabric one for winter use, so now I have both.
Title: Re: Best 1 person bomb proof tent vote
Post by: marmottungsten on 04:46:54, 06/07/18
I was interested in the southern cross when I was looking last year, but I couldn't find anyone who actually had one in stock to look at. I went for a Trekkertent Phreeranger in the end. I still have the Tarptent Notch as well but that's quite a small inner space and it's a half mesh inner.
The standard inner on the Phreeranger is also half mesh, I ordered a solid fabric one for winter use, so now I have both.


Quote from the Phreeranger page on the Trekkertent website: "The lighter 20d silpoly version (890 grams) is suitable for 3 season use, the 40d silnylon version (1250 grams) is more suited to all season use in UK conditions".  So you can have a four season version but it's a lot heavier.
Title: Re: Best 1 person bomb proof tent vote
Post by: beefy on 06:41:14, 06/07/18
Yawn ....  ::)
Title: Re: Best 1 person bomb proof tent vote
Post by: Owen on 07:05:25, 06/07/18
What ever,  ::) I'm off to Knoydart with it so I really don't have time for your silly arguments.
It's not what fancy swag you have, it's what you do with it that counts. O0
Title: Re: Best 1 person bomb proof tent vote
Post by: April on 07:44:02, 06/07/18
I totally agree Owen  O0 Enjoy your trip  :)
Title: Re: Best 1 person bomb proof tent vote
Post by: richardh1905 on 08:21:29, 06/07/18
What ever,  ::) I'm off to Knoydart with it so I really don't have time for your silly arguments.
It's not what fancy swag you have, it's what you do with it that counts. O0


EXACTLY !


Strange that the people who obsess the most about lightweight gear don't post any trip reports....  ::)


P.S. - Enjoy Knoydart Owen; I look forward to reading about it. :)
Title: Re: Best 1 person bomb proof tent vote
Post by: richardh1905 on 08:24:34, 06/07/18



Quote from the Phreeranger page on the Trekkertent website: "The lighter 20d silpoly version (890 grams) is suitable for 3 season use, the 40d silnylon version (1250 grams) is more suited to all season use in UK conditions".  So you can have a four season version but it's a lot heavier.


Given that this is a thread about the "Best 1 person bomb proof tent", and that I camp in all seasons (and in wild places), I'd take the 4 season any day  ;)


PS - my modest budget 3 season tunnel tent weighs 2.1kg - doesn't stop me getting out there into the wilds.
Title: Re: Best 1 person bomb proof tent vote
Post by: richardh1905 on 08:32:56, 06/07/18

I was interested in the southern cross when I was looking last year, but I couldn't find anyone who actually had one in stock to look at. I went for a Trekkertent Phreeranger in the end. I still have the Tarptent Notch as well but that's quite a small inner space and it's a half mesh inner.
The standard inner on the Phreeranger is also half mesh, I ordered a solid fabric one for winter use, so now I have both.


Interesting. How is it in high winds, Owen?
Title: Re: Best 1 person bomb proof tent vote
Post by: April on 08:51:30, 06/07/18
PS - my modest budget 3 season tunnel tent weighs 2.1kg - doesn't stop me getting out there into the wilds.

Our MSR Elixir 2 is 2.3kg, not the lightest 2 man tent out there either  :) We manage to get out every weekend in it  :)

You should check out Andy Wardle on you tube
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgKxNV8RwVZXOW9RCnp1vsA/videos?disable_polymer=1

He is a fellow north easterner who takes no notice of the ultralightweight police and carries what he wants to carry. His pack for a one nighter is 18kg, he likes comfort. He doesn't walk that far when he goes out camping, he does what he wants to do though, that is what is important.
Title: Re: Best 1 person bomb proof tent vote
Post by: richardh1905 on 10:51:48, 06/07/18
Our MSR Elixir 2 is 2.3kg, not the lightest 2 man tent out there either  :) We manage to get out every weekend in it  :)

.....His pack for a one nighter is 18kg...


So I have noticed!  :)  The perfect way to spend a weekend.


My recent overnight pack was 11kg; I managed just fine on the climbs fitness wise but I did find that the pack inhibited me somewhat on rough steep ground, especially descending, and I would like to trim weight for that reason alone. But I'll not be spending megabucks just to save a few hundred grams.


I would happily carry more on easy ground; say for family backpacking - if I can persuade them to come!
Title: Re: Best 1 person bomb proof tent vote
Post by: Owen on 12:42:47, 06/07/18

Interesting. How is it in high winds, Owen?


Not tried it in winds yet, might get some this week.
Pack weight, about 7kg kit, 5 kg food for 7 days, + 1 Lt water. I like to keep the weight of the kit down so I can carry more food and travel for longer without stopping to go shopping.


Waiting for the ferry just now, no mobile coverage, no internet, no TV for a week, bliss.
Title: Re: Best 1 person bomb proof tent vote
Post by: beefy on 17:37:43, 06/07/18

Not tried it in winds yet, might get some this week.
Pack weight, about 7kg kit, 5 kg food for 7 days, + 1 Lt water. I like to keep the weight of the kit down so I can carry more food and travel for longer without stopping to go shopping.


Waiting for the ferry just now, no mobile coverage, no internet, no TV for a week, bliss.
Have a great trip  O0
Title: Re: Best 1 person bomb proof tent vote
Post by: IanyZen on 21:10:14, 24/07/18
Hi,
I have a terra nova laser ultra 1 person.
A bit pricy, but no complaints at all in all weathers - gives me peace of mind.
My dog thinks it's too small though.

Horses for courses - I think it's best to buy equipment from the makers in the country you are trekking - ie UK made stuff for UK conditions.
Ian & Zen