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Title: Boots - Waterproof - Mortons Neuroma
Post by: G2EWS on 05:12:54, 07/09/17
Good morning all,


As mentioned in my intro I was an outdoor activity instructor over 30 years ago.


Having got back into the sport/hobby this year, you won't be surprised to know there have been a few changes!


Since starting again I have discovered I suffer with Mortons Neuroma in the right foot. For those who don't know, this is a pain in the ball of the foot, caused by inflammation between the bones of three middle toes, around the middle of the foot. The inflammation traps nerves and can send shooting pains around the feet. At times this can be excruciating, at others a horrid stabbing pain.


Generally this is caused by the feet being squeezed together due to ill fitting shoes. In the main it is a Woman's illness due to the often badly fitting shoes they wear - being general here!


Treatment is by easing that pressure - new shoes/boots, taking ibuprofen and using a silicon pad under the foot which spreads the bones of the toes, just a tiny bit.


I upgraded my boots which were already Salomon, to 9 1/2, which was 1/2 size larger than my previous ones. The Salomon Quest 4D 2 GTX are very comfortable and nothing else at Go Outdoors seemed to feel right.


It definitely eased the pain, but didn't get rid of it.


After much research I went to see Taunton Leisure in Bristol and bought a pair of Altberg Tethera size 9 with a wider fitting. I was eager to try them out, so set off on a 12 miler, only to realise I was flopping around in them! Had to find a shorter route back at 9 miles. For the next two days everything hurt, my back, buttocks, thighs, calves, shins and feet. I am certain this is a lot to do with a high arch on my foot.


I took the boots back and they gave me 80% against another pair.


After much trying on and walking around the store I bought a pair of Meindl - cannot remember which model. Took them home and tried them around the house. They didn't feel comfortable! The following day, I put one of the Meindl on and one of my Salomon's on. The Meindl definitely didn't feel comfortable. So I took them back and Taunton Leisure gave my 100% refund as they had not been worn outside. Great company!


Back to the drawing board!


I then bought a metatarsal pad. This is a thin silicone pad that fits over your first toe and sits under and across the front of the foot. Sounds uncomfortable but believe me it isn't.


This along with two ibuprofen before I set out works very well. Not perfect, but I can do up to 12 miles, which is about all I can do in the time I allow myself in the mornings.


However, I would like to find a good boot to solve the problem and am still looking.


Which brings me to my second problem!


When walking in long grass covered in dew, it seems impossible to find a boot that is waterproof. Wet grass gets into boots more than rain can. I have treated my Salomon's with water proofing, but nothing seems to solve the problem. I use gaiters every morning. In the end, the only solution I could find was SealSkinz socks. They are amazing! My boots can have loads of water in, but my feet stay dry. Nothing worse than 4 hours of sopping wet feet.


Every day, I use scrunched up newspapers to dry my boots out, ready for the next onslaught!


Back in the day, we had welts in our boots that gaiters would fit into, thereby totally protecting your feet from any water, including walking in streams.


I have read posts on here with interest, talking about waterproof boots actually working. I also see that full leather is better. I get that, as we often forget that Gore Tex does not necessarily stop water getting in, but is one of the best products for helping you dry out! It is the water proofing on the boot that should stop the water getting in, but it doesn't!


Any advice gratefully accepted.


Regards




Chris
Title: Re: Boots - Waterproof - Mortons Neuroma
Post by: April on 08:45:58, 07/09/17
Welcome to the forum G2EWS

I also have foot problems so I know how awful it can be. I have pes cavus feet (high arches, short Achilles tendons) and this causes metatarsal head pain. I have used the metatarsal pads before but I've been using arch supports for a few years now instead and this does help.

There isn't an easy answer to your boot question unfortunately. I have Alterbeg Tetheras atm and for me, they are perfect, used with the arch supports. I did make sure they were a perfect fit before I bought them though. The most comfortable boots I've had recently were Scarpa Mythos. I didn't even need the arch supports with them but they didn't remain waterproof for very long. For the best waterproof boot I would go for full leather with goretex lining. Which one depends on what is the most comfortable in the shop but sometimes you don't know until you've done a few miles in them if they are going to cause any problems for you. I hope you do find a boot that suits you but I think it will be trial and error, it has been for me over the years. I had some Meindl boots once and although they felt comfy enough in the shop, after a few weeks of wearing them the metatarsal pain was horrendous.

Btw I wouldn't generalise about women on the forum, there aren't many of us on here but we are very feisty, so be careful  ;)  ;D
Title: Re: Boots - Waterproof - Mortons Neuroma
Post by: G2EWS on 08:51:58, 07/09/17
Good morning April,


Many thanks for responding.


Interesting advice about the Altberg's I have only heard good things. I'm wondering if it might be an idea to call into the factory on my travels.


Advice taken about you ladies! I hasten to add the comment did not come from me, but from a health site talking about Morton's Neuroma!


Just back from a 7.5 mile walk and my foot has been fine as it was yesterday morning. Things are looking up!


Regards




Chris
Title: Re: Boots - Waterproof - Mortons Neuroma
Post by: kinkyboots on 09:03:49, 07/09/17
If as you say you found yourself flopping around in the Altberg Tetheras I would tend to blame the retailer for not measuring you correctly and ensuring that the boots fitted you correctly before you bought them.
 
I would suggest that you need to make an appointment to visit a specialist bootfitter such as Whalley Warm & Dry for some specialist help and advice regarding your Morton's Neuroma as I'm sure they will have come across customers with the same condition before. They are also an Altberg Premier Retailer. http://www.whalleyoutdoor.co.uk/boot-fitting-service/ (http://www.whalleyoutdoor.co.uk/boot-fitting-service/)

Their specialist knowledge and bootfitting service is second to none and customers travel from all over the country to use their specialist services. There are many things that they can do both inside the boot and with specialist orthotics etc to help with your condition.

Perhaps you could tie an appointment in with your next visit up to the Yorkshire Dales or Lake District?
Title: Re: Boots - Waterproof - Mortons Neuroma
Post by: G2EWS on 09:34:21, 07/09/17
Thank you Kinkyboots,


I have Whalley mentioned before. I will certainly look on my next trip up North arranging a visit.


Best regards




Chris
Title: Re: Boots - Waterproof - Mortons Neuroma
Post by: kinkyboots on 09:40:23, 07/09/17
Just thinking about the problem with your gaiters suggests that you are not getting a tight enough seal around the boot - so maybe either you have the wrong size gaiter or the strap is not being tightened enough to pull the gaiter down onto the boot creating a close enough seal?

It may be worth having a close look at some Berghaus Yeti Wilderness gaiters (as used by the army) although I would suggest that they are not really designed to be put on and taken off regularly like normal gaiters. They are more for putting on at the beginning of winter and leaving in place on the boot until spring and are regularly available on eBay. I know a few people who hold/glue them in place around the rand of the boot with clear bath sealant or something similar.
Title: Re: Boots - Waterproof - Mortons Neuroma
Post by: G2EWS on 09:45:29, 07/09/17
Hi Again,


An interesting thought.


Gaiters clip onto the bottom shoe lace, so could never really get a total seal as far as I am aware.


But will look at the Berghaus ones as well.


Regards




chris
Title: Re: Boots - Waterproof - Mortons Neuroma
Post by: oczo81 on 10:30:41, 07/09/17
Hi,


I can only second what others said. I`m sure there`s a boot there that will fit you and help with your problem.
I can recommend Lockwoods in Leamington Spa. My partner had a problem with finding the right ones but they`ve helped us enormously.
Hope you`ll find something suitable soon


David
Title: Re: Boots - Waterproof - Mortons Neuroma
Post by: G2EWS on 10:40:40, 07/09/17
Thank you David,


Regards




Chris
Title: Re: Boots - Waterproof - Mortons Neuroma
Post by: kinkyboots on 17:40:13, 07/09/17
Gaiters clip onto the bottom shoe lace, so could never really get a total seal as far as I am aware.

Of course the problem may not be with the closeness of the fitting of the gaiters at all but simply that your Salomon Quest 4D 2 GTX boots have developed a leak somewhere. From the reviews I've read it appears to be a common problem and recurring complaint with that particular boot. Unfortunately they have a bit of reputation for developing leaks either through a puncture in the Gore-Tex liner, a separation somewhere between the upper and the sole unit or through a failure of the stitching somewhere on the boot.

If you remove the insoles and put some kitchen roll or paper towel in the bottom of the boot and weight the boots down and stand them in a bowl of water for a short time should confirm it one way or another and the paper towel may show you where on the boot the leak is.

If the Salomon boots are less than 12 months old I would suggest that you return them to the retailer as faulty and try to insist on a refund rather than a replacement if you can.
Title: Re: Boots - Waterproof - Mortons Neuroma
Post by: Welsh Rambler on 20:13:19, 07/09/17
Hi Chris
Welcome to the forum and sorry to hear about your foot problems.


I've got a pair of Brasher Hillmaster leather boots with a Goretex lining and I've walked a few thousand miles in them and they have been waterproof from new. I've always used dubbin on them and coat them after every walk plus wash off the dirt as soon as I get back from a walk. They've been the most comfortable boots I've ever had.


When they wear out I intend trying an Altberg boot because they do a range of width fittings but at the moment they are still going strong and may outlast me!


Regards Keith
Title: Re: Boots - Waterproof - Mortons Neuroma
Post by: G2EWS on 11:00:54, 27/09/17
Hi Kinkyboots,


Sorry for the delay and many thanks for your advice.


Hi Keith,


Yep the Altberg seem the way to go.


Regards


Chris
Title: Re: Boots - Waterproof - Mortons Neuroma
Post by: G2EWS on 11:06:39, 27/09/17
Hi again,


Having given this a lot of thought, I have decided and already booked an appointment next week at the Altberg factory for a fitting. Too many of you praise them so they must be good.


I am going in my motorhome and staying nearby. Already found a 7 1/2 mile walk from the factory and around the racecourse. So will get fitted next Friday morning then go for a walk and see if they need adjusting.


Be so good to not have wet newspapers all over the place, particularly when away in the motorhome!


Not sure if it will work, but see attached gpx route of the walk around the factory.


Regards


Chris


 
Title: Re: Boots - Waterproof - Mortons Neuroma
Post by: DevonDave on 11:33:19, 27/09/17
There are a couple of nice walks of about 5 miles each in Richmond that you may wish to try while you are there.


Cross the river and follow the Swale upstream through Billy Bank Wood until you reach a caravan park on the opposite side.  Cross the river here and head up to the main road.  Cross over then walk westward for a short distance until you come to a track leading off to the right.  Take this track, which then heads uphill (Green Lane).  At the top turn right back towards Richmond.


The other walk follows the north bank of the Swale downstream to the ruins of Easby Abbey, which is well worth a look round.
Title: Re: Boots - Waterproof - Mortons Neuroma
Post by: G2EWS on 11:44:29, 27/09/17
Hi Dave,


Thanks for the information.


I am staying in the campsite north of Richmond near the A66. Have already got one walk sorted from there, but will most certainly look at your suggestions. Easby Abbey looks worth a visit for sure.


Best regards




Chris
Title: Re: Boots - Waterproof - Mortons Neuroma
Post by: kinkyboots on 11:51:54, 27/09/17
Just be aware that Altberg's measuring and fitting system has a reputation for being close fitting.......too close fitting for some customers.

They're not wrong with their measuring and I think they fit them on the basis that they know that the leather will stretch and give a little once they've been worn and the leather has broken in and moulded to the shape of your feet.

If you're not completely happy with the fit don't be afraid to insist on trying on a boot half a size bigger or one width fitting wider. Doing that will at least give you a comparison of the differing comfort levels and at the end of the day you're paying a lot of money to be comfortable.

Replacing Altberg's standard insole with something like the Superfeet Green or something else which supports your high arch better may also help the fit. Make sure you mention this during the fitting.
 
It may seem obvious but don't forget to take your normal walking socks and any orthotics which you may have with you.
Title: Re: Boots - Waterproof - Mortons Neuroma
Post by: DevonDave on 12:28:41, 27/09/17
I agree with kinkyboots regarding the close fitting.  I have quite narrow feet and when Altberg measured them they told me I needed the Extra Narrow fitting.  I bought a pair of Tethera boots and wore them around the house for a few days but found that they were far too tight so I went back and changed them for the Narrow fitting, which have proved to be a much better fit.
Title: Re: Boots - Waterproof - Mortons Neuroma
Post by: G2EWS on 12:35:33, 27/09/17
Thanks again Kinkyboots and Dave,


I will take that into account whilst there.


Don't fancy having to go back from home that would be another 600 mile round trip!


Regards


Chris
Title: Re: Boots - Waterproof - Mortons Neuroma
Post by: pdstsp on 15:02:41, 27/09/17
Hi G2EWS - Its funny how we are all different - I too suffered with this pain in my left foot which sometimes became a feeling that the foot was trying to burst out of the shoe-  Its started with cycling but transferred to walking.  I eventually went to a podiatrist who reckoned my boots were too stiff (Asolo Fugitive).  As these had started leaking I moved to Meindl Torontos and have been wearing them for a year with no pain - though like you I went up a size.  I have the opposite to you in that I am flat footed.  One thing I do now do is to crunch the toes up between strides occasionally, perhaps for forty or fifty strides - flexing the foot seems to help.


Good luck with the fitting.
Title: Re: Boots - Waterproof - Mortons Neuroma
Post by: G2EWS on 16:57:42, 27/09/17
Thank you pdstsp,


Useful information.


Best regards




Chris
Title: Re: Boots - Waterproof - Mortons Neuroma
Post by: G2EWS on 14:56:42, 06/10/17


Afternoon all,


 

In a layby some 20 miles from Middlesborough having a well earned cuppa!


 

Having been measured properly at Alt Berg, they told me I have normal width at the front, but narrow at the rear of my foot. This is what they call the 'A Forme' fitting. So I ended up with the 'A Forme' version of the Tethera, called the Nordkapp.

 
Tethera http://www.altberg.co.uk/stockist-product/stockist-nordkapp/


 

Very snug fit.


 

Maybe I was a little ambitious in that I walked 8 mile from the factory to test them out!


 

These boots are very solid with no give or feel from the ground. This is a good thing but completely different from the Salomons. So my feet where just not used to it. It is great to tread on a stone and not get a shooting pain due to the mortons neuroma.


 

Messed around with the laces during the walk and reckon I got the best tightness in the end.


 

The only problem is my heels hurt. Something I have not suffered with for over 30 years. However, it is a long time since I have worn such a solid feel boot. The last being my serious mountaineering boots when I used to teach.


 

Being nubuk leather they are going to give and my feet will mould into them, so I am quite excited. But will stick with shorter walks for the time being!

 
Title: Re: Boots - Waterproof - Mortons Neuroma
Post by: kinkyboots on 20:21:35, 06/10/17
Glad you got sorted out.

The Nordkapp is a very nice boot. I wish the Tethera had the higher rand around the toe area.

Wearing them around the house and for short walks is definitely the way to go until you have got used to them and they've broken in a bit.
Title: Re: Boots - Waterproof - Mortons Neuroma
Post by: G2EWS on 06:51:06, 09/10/17
Thank you Kinkyboots,


Will certainly be doing shorter walks.


Did a 5.7 mile walk yesterday, which was good. Unable to walk today, but will be doing 5 miles walks for most of this week.


Regards


Chris
Title: Re: Boots - Waterproof - Mortons Neuroma
Post by: redeye on 18:17:17, 29/10/17
Just jumping in on the thread as I have just returned from whalley warm and dry with a pair of the Nordkapp after being properly measured for the first time since I was a kid  ::)  Although not been tested to the full, they do feel very comfy and with the added sidas insoles and waxes, quite a bit of money but it's an early Xmas pressie so what the hell  ;D  Its surprising what you learn about parts of your body you take for granted. Here's hoping to a good few miles and years with these. Although I don't do extreme winter stuff I was told they are ok with the c1 crampon in short times and are ok with mircospikes so should suit me. Thanks to all on here for the various threads about boots  O0
Title: Re: Boots - Waterproof - Mortons Neuroma
Post by: oczo81 on 18:39:24, 29/10/17
Hi Redeye,


I hope you`ll find them comfortable and all works out well for you.


Many happy walks,


David
Title: Re: Boots - Waterproof - Mortons Neuroma
Post by: redeye on 19:13:19, 29/10/17
Hi Redeye,


I hope you`ll find them comfortable and all works out well for you.


Many happy walks,


David
Cheers and if you work there, thanks for the great service from the staff and relaxed feel of the shop and the coffee O0
Title: Re: Boots - Waterproof - Mortons Neuroma
Post by: nesty on 22:56:44, 30/10/17
Glad you got sorted out.

The Nordkapp is a very nice boot. I wish the Tethera had the higher rand around the toe area.

Wearing them around the house and for short walks is definitely the way to go until you have got used to them and they've broken in a bit.

IMHO that is the one design fault with the Altberg Tetheras.  I wish that band was much higher. I already have scuffs on my toe box areas, where I've clipped rocks.

If I see a set of Altberg Nordkapp in Size 12 on ebay in the future I'll be trying to snap them up!
Title: Re: Boots - Waterproof - Mortons Neuroma
Post by: G2EWS on 17:21:40, 25/11/17
Hi all,


An update after 330 miles with the new Alt bergs.


I have struggled with the stiffness of these boots and expected my feet to grow new muscles to compensate for having to constantly stop the twisting and turning when on slopes or treading on a rock.


But it has been hard.


However, even worse than that the last two days of doing slightly more miles has been hell.



 

Yesterday my 8 mile walk ended with 3 miles of road and I struggled.


 

Today my 9 mile walk most of which was off road, ended up with me in serious pain for the last 1.5 miles.


 

Why?


 

The major problem is the boots! Yes, I know I spent ages choosing them and have now completed 330 miles since purchasing them.


 

But!


 

I have found the boots to be very stiff and rigid, meaning the slightest angle and your feet have to compensate. After 330 miles I would have expected my feet to be strong enough in the areas they needed building up in. But alas I don't think that is happening. I have pain all over my feet due to the stresses and muscle work.


 

I have found I can do 5 or 6 miles and it is reasonably OK. But today the mortons neuroma in my right foot was horrendous as was a serious pain in the heel of my left foot. So much so with 1.5 miles to go, I almost phoned my Wife to collect me and get me back to the car. But I was nearly 20 miles away.


 

But if these high end boots are giving me this problem what is there for me? After all it is me that is choosing what works for me. But I seem to be making mistakes.


 

Been watching reviews of the Garmin Fenix 5X watch with in built mapping and getting jealous of those walking 9 or 10 miles in the Lakes. But they seem to wear walking shoes which I don't really have a problem with. But at this time of the year, I am stepping into mud over ankle deep. A walking shoe won't help me with that!


 

So here I sit in my garden room, sipping wine, feeling miffed.

 
A friend has suggested going to see a podiatrist. I wonder if anyone on here has done that?

 
Also suggested is go to a running shoe shop as they test your feet to see how it lands etc.  

 
Oh well, back to the drawing board!


Regards


Chris
Title: Re: Boots - Waterproof - Mortons Neuroma
Post by: kinkyboots on 18:06:17, 25/11/17
Sorry to hear that you're struggling with the new Nordkapp's.

I know you didn't buy the boots there but you've nothing to lose by phoning Whalley Warm & Dry and asking for some advice. http://www.whalleyoutdoor.co.uk/boot-fitting-service/ (http://www.whalleyoutdoor.co.uk/boot-fitting-service/)
 
Ask to speak to one of their bootfitters and explain your problem with the new Nordkapp's and your Morton's Neuroma. Hopefully they may be able to help or at the very least offer you some relevant advice and point you in the right direction.
Title: Re: Boots - Waterproof - Mortons Neuroma
Post by: Liz S on 20:44:29, 25/11/17
 Try the shop as has been suggested and if you cant find a solution then sell them on either Outdoor Gear Exchange or Ebay.
 Maybe the boots are just not suitable for yor feet.
 I've had a pair of Altberg boots and despite being measured for them one was really uncomfortable and it felt like a knife was being stuck in my foot. This was where the crease was. I never suffer from foot or boot problems usually.
 In the end the retailer gave me a full refund,which was a relief.
 Hope you find a solution, but you might just have to admit defeat I think.
Title: Re: Boots - Waterproof - Mortons Neuroma
Post by: nesty on 21:43:32, 25/11/17
What size are the Altbergs
Title: Re: Boots - Waterproof - Mortons Neuroma
Post by: G2EWS on 06:25:52, 26/11/17
Thanks for the advice folks. Looking at location of Whalley and a trip to North Wales on business coming up in the next couple of weeks.


Size 9 nesty.


Regards




Chris
Title: Re: Boots - Waterproof - Mortons Neuroma
Post by: kinkyboots on 08:47:26, 26/11/17
Just re-reading your first post again and you stated

Quote
I am certain this is a lot to do with a high arch on my foot.

It may well turn out that Whalley Warm & Dry recommend that you to have some custom made insoles manufactured which should hopefully resolve your problems with both your Morton's Neuroma and high arch. At £120 it's definitely not cheap but at the end of the day what's it worth to be pain free?

A couple of links you may find useful. The second is the specialist's own website which Whalley Warm & Dry use and would refer you to.

https://www.whalleyoutdoor.co.uk/boot-fitting-service/custom-made-insoles/ (https://www.whalleyoutdoor.co.uk/boot-fitting-service/custom-made-insoles/)
https://footandinsolespecialist.co.uk/foot-conditions/mortons-neuroma/ (https://footandinsolespecialist.co.uk/foot-conditions/mortons-neuroma/)

You should be aware that having some custom made insoles manufactured may not resolve the problem of the Altberg Nordkapp's having too stiff a sole unit for you. As a last resort you may need to consider replacing the Nordkapp's with one of Altberg's 2-3 season boots which use a sole unit which is less stiff - maybe either the Fremington or Malham models The Malham is built on the same A-Forme last as the Nordkapp so you know a size 9 Malham will fit you. Having said that if replacement does become necessary be guided by what Whalley Warm & Dry recommend given your condition and the type of walking you do.

http://www.altberg.co.uk/product/the-fremington-mens-boot-mto/ (http://www.altberg.co.uk/product/the-fremington-mens-boot-mto/)
http://www.altberg.co.uk/product/the-malham-mens-boot-mto/ (http://www.altberg.co.uk/product/the-malham-mens-boot-mto/)
Title: Re: Boots - Waterproof - Mortons Neuroma
Post by: G2EWS on 17:27:44, 26/11/17
Thanks again kinkyboots,



This is going to be interesting!


I have dug out my walking boots from over 35 years ago! Kept them in the dark and well dubbin impregnated.


They are Scarpa Skywalk traction and to my amazement I have found them for sale.


Just put my insoles in them and put on walking socks and cannot believe how comfortable they are!


Just about to re wax and will do a 5 miler before breakfast with them.


It will be very interesting


Will take my walking shoes with me in case I have trouble.


Regards


Chris
Title: Re: Boots - Waterproof - Mortons Neuroma
Post by: nesty on 17:29:35, 26/11/17
Thanks for the advice folks. Looking at location of Whalley and a trip to North Wales on business coming up in the next couple of weeks.


Size 9 nesty.


Regards

Chris

Ok thanks. Had they been size 12, might be interested in coming to arrangement, if you wanted to sell!
Title: Re: Boots - Waterproof - Mortons Neuroma
Post by: G2EWS on 17:48:54, 26/11/17
No worries Nesty,


Regards


Chris




Title: Re: Boots - Waterproof - Mortons Neuroma
Post by: G2EWS on 09:05:43, 27/11/17


Good morning all,

 
Just in case you thought I was wearing a tatty old pair of boots. Here are a couple of photos of the boots I last wore about 35 years ago!


 

Look after things don't I!


 

As to this morning 5 mile walk!


 

Perfect. No pain, no discomfort, crazy!


 

But I think I have worked out what the problem is.  


 

I remembered that these boots where a bit loose. Back then you always bought a pair of boots that were just a tad too big, then wore a thick sock or two.


 

Today I had a lot of movement but was comfortable. My feet are tough enough to not have a problem with blisters.


 

I confess that with the Alt Bergs, I do them up very tight. I then ready yesterday that part of the tingling and numbness could be to do with the boot being too tight! So after all it could just be my own fault.  


 

However, I am interested in seeing what the Alt Bergs are like done up less tight. It could be that the fit is not for me.  

 
Regards

 

 
Chris
Title: Re: Boots - Waterproof - Mortons Neuroma
Post by: kinkyboots on 10:04:46, 27/11/17
That light bulb moment on has probably just saved you an awful lot of time, effort and money!  ;D

I had some Scarpa boots very similar to those back in the day and once they were broken in they were as comfortable as carpet slippers. If the leather is still in good condition you could always get them resoled if and when required.

With both my Tetheras and Mallerstangs I always adjust the lower lacing section up to the heel lock to be slacker than the top section lacing. I might adjust the tension several times during a walk as the feet expand during the day. I find the lower lacing really only needs tightening on long downhill sections to stop my foot sliding forward in the boot.

If you think about it tightening the lacing too tight across your metatarsal bones is going to squeeze your toes together and put pressure on the nerves which cause your Morton's Neuroma pain.

This lacing technique or a variation of it might help you separate the two sections of the lacing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeKZ2LeESJQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeKZ2LeESJQ) (There are plenty of other videos on YouTube showing the Surgeon's knot).


(https://footandinsolespecialist.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/mortons-neuroma.jpg)
Title: Re: Boots - Waterproof - Mortons Neuroma
Post by: G2EWS on 04:54:07, 29/11/17
Hi kinkyboots,


Thanks for additional information.


The crazy thing is, I know how important it is not to do the laces up too tight! Having been an instructor that was the lesson we gave! Aaargh!





Update on yesterday's walk.


Had a great walk in my Alt Bergs. This time leaving them tied fairly loose by comparison to the last month of tightening as much as I could. Something told me that modern technology had moved on and it was all about keeping a firm grip on your feet. Where the heck that came from I have no idea!


What a difference! I feel rather foolish that I had tied them up so tight previously. The walk was enjoyable and my feet felt cossetted!


Using my old boots the day before, reminded me of how we used to buy boots slightly too large then pad with socks. In fact I went on the Scarpa website and they state that when fitting always go with too big as you can always pad them out!


So the moral of this story for me is, no matter how wise you think you are, there is still lots to learn!


Unable to walk today as away on business in the motorhome in Cornwall, near Tavistock and have to leave by 09:00. I won't walk in the dark in unfamiliar places. But really looking forward to my walk tomorrow morning.


Regards


Chris
Title: Re: Boots - Waterproof - Mortons Neuroma
Post by: G2EWS on 05:11:35, 29/11/17
Hi kinkyboots,


WOW! There are so many suggestions on youtube. It never occurred to me to look on there. Yet it is one of the first places I go to find out about new products!


Got a couple of ideas I want to try and looking forward to it.


Thanks again.


Regards




Chris
Title: Re: Boots - Waterproof - Mortons Neuroma
Post by: kinkyboots on 08:38:42, 29/11/17
Touch wood that slight loosening of the laces on the lower section of your boots allowing your feet to spread and take pressure off that nerve has hopefully resolved your problems.

No need to feel foolish as we all make mistakes. Feet are extremely sensitive to any change and as it proved in this case the tiniest of changes can make a huge difference to your overall comfort.

Hopefully you will now be able to enjoy your new boots and walks pain free.
Title: Re: Boots - Waterproof - Mortons Neuroma
Post by: G2EWS on 09:13:18, 30/11/17
Morning,


So far so good!


7.5 mile walk this morning and not even a twinge!


Feeling good!


Regards




Chris
Title: Re: Boots - Waterproof - Mortons Neuroma
Post by: Danene on 12:19:56, 04/06/18
Hi- I had a Morton's neuroma. It was confirmed with an ultrasound scan. The scan showed the neuroma to be 13mm by 5mm. I was told by an orthopaedic consultant surgeon that the best option for me was surgery to remove the neuroma. The pain I was getting was excruciating........like really sharp electric shocks. I had the surgery and was on crutches for 2 weeks. The result is BRILLIANT (https://www.fetcheveryone.com/images/trans.png) No pain at all. Before the surgery I had tried cushioning in my running orthoses; but it didn't help much. I was told my neuroma was too large for a steroid injection to have a sustained benefit. The surgery removed the neuroma and also some of the actual nerve. The neuroma was between my 3rd and 4th metatarsal. As a consequence of part of the nerve been removed surgically- I now have a persistently numb area between my toes. this I must admit concerned me initially. It feels like a crease is present in my sock. However- I hardly notice it now. I get NO PAIN whatsoever now.
From the shoe point of view.......I have recently started running in Hoka one one Cliftons. I loved them so much that I have also got for my birthday another model of Hoka. These shoes are extremely well cushioned- the best cushioning of any shoe I have tried.
Fitz- I hope the yoga sandals help. Please keep us informed how you are getting on. I certainly couldn't run with my neuroma.....it was bad enough walking. Take it easy if you are still able to run. I am guessing running 16m is just aggrevating the neuroma. GOOD LUCK.
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