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Charlieslater

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Re: Pen Y Pass Advice
« Reply #30 on: 09:22:36, 04/08/17 »
Might be slightly off topic but I am going this weekend and have a question. Would like to get the Sherpa bus up, but, how do you get back. Do they run 24 hrs ? Would guess not.
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« Reply #32 on: 10:25:05, 04/08/17 »
Wow, that was really useful to me too! I might now make use of the Sherpa for a multiple-day walk I'm planning for next month. The problem was where to leave my car for 3-4 days when I couldn't go back to feed a pay-and-display machine each day. Dai's secret parking place is not on my planned route, nor would I be happy about leaving my car there overnight.
Now I can see I'll be able to park further away and get the bus in and back, so I've saved a copy of the pdf. Thanks for posting it Ridge.

Dyffryn Ardudwy

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« Reply #33 on: 10:58:46, 04/08/17 »
It has nothing to do with the expense of bringing in the contractors to tarmac a section of the Miners path.
Its taken many years for the parking fee to reach 10, i can remember it being 5 for a very long time, its only in the past few years, that visitor numbers have gone through the roof.

If the tariff was raised to pay for expensive maintenance, why then has it remained at that level.

The tarmac section was completed two or so years ago, and the 10 charge still remains.

The only logical answer, is that most walkers are not prepared to park a considerable way from the mountain.

Once Pen Y Pass fills to capacity, which happens very quickly from May to September, walkers have no option but to park further down the road on the Capel Curig, Beddgelert road.

Just examine where the majority of vehicles get parked, on the Gwynedd side, nearer the Pen Y Gwyrydd.

Most visitors do not realise that Conwy do not charge for parking along the road, and ive regularly seen parking places closer to Capel Curig, when irate drivers cannot find a space in Gwynedd, they want to be as close to Pen Y pass as possible.

Gwynedd council and the Park authority, have sawn up the parking facilities between themselves, knowing that the majority of walkers want to park as close as possible to the mountain.

In high season, as soon as someone leaves the Pen Y Pass carpark, and there's an available space, its taken up quickly.

This is why its 10 to park there, as the revenue in high season, is considerable.
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Re: Pen Y Pass Advice
« Reply #35 on: 12:36:14, 04/08/17 »
I might now make use of the Sherpa for a multiple-day walk I'm planning for next month. The problem was where to leave my car for 3-4 days when I couldn't go back to feed a pay-and-display machine each day.

Slightly off topic again, but this might be helpful to other forum users.

I contacted SNPA yesterday about leaving my car in a car park for a few days, and this morning I received a reply suggesting I send them the make, colour and registration number of my car beforehand to forewarn them, and then when I start my walk I buy three full day tickets (at 5 per day in most of their car parks other than Pen-y-Pass) and display all three on my dashboard.

I hope this could apply to anyone, and that I was not being offered preferential treatment!

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« Reply #36 on: 17:15:16, 04/08/17 »
So what's the problem if you don't like paying park somewhere else I can't imagine any locals parking there most park elsewhere and use the sherpa bus which is subsicised by the council. If you go to Liverpool,Manchester,or Chester shopping you will pay a dam side more than a tenner for the day.
Most of the users of pen y pass are 3 peakers that's why it fills up early so if they're willing to pay at least the money goes to maintain the mountain which it certainly needs with all the footfall on it
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Dyffryn Ardudwy

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Re: Pen Y Pass Advice
« Reply #37 on: 18:09:55, 04/08/17 »
Regarding the purchase of three independent parking tickets, to park ones vehicle for a full three days.
The ticket machines only issue a ticket for that particular day, with the time of arrival, and day of issue.
Unless Gwynedd Council and the National Park office, have issued directions to their parking officials, i would feel uncomfortable in placing three tickets with the same date stamped on them.


I cannot remember seeing this mentioned on any of their pay & display boards, around the park, but i suppose not many visitors would take advantage of such a facility.


If i received a yellow parking ticket, for overstaying my welcome, i wonder what their response would be, if i told them i had paid three times, on the same day.


Ignorance of the law, is never an excuse when trying to wriggle out of a hefty penalty fine, and where does it mention it, on their pay and display boards.


This is certainly a bit of National Park legislation, that very few visitors have heard about, but i suppose disclosing every tiny detail about your vehicle to them, would be the answer to this issue.

Next time i pass their offices outside Porthmadog, i would certainly love to have this clarified, as this is certainly an aspect of parking in and around the mountain, that few of us knew about, even if few of us would need such a facility.

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Re: Pen Y Pass Advice
« Reply #38 on: 10:02:07, 17/08/17 »
We were at Snowdon a couple of weeks ago and got to Pen y Pass about 0700hrs, after a 3 1/2 hour drive and it was full then. There is a park and ride car park just outside of Llanberis where you can catch a bus up to Pen y Pass or get a taxi as there is a rank there. My mate and I shared a taxi with 2 ladies and 1 child so it worked out at 2 each. The taxi drivers must be making a killing there!!  ;D


The park and ride car park was almost empty when we got there so there was plenty of room available.

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Re: Pen Y Pass Advice
« Reply #39 on: 10:17:22, 17/08/17 »
Regarding the purchase of three independent parking tickets, to park ones vehicle for a full three days.
The ticket machines only issue a ticket for that particular day, with the time of arrival, and day of issue.
Unless Gwynedd Council and the National Park office, have issued directions to their parking officials, i would feel uncomfortable in placing three tickets with the same date stamped on them.

Dai, this is an exact copy of the reply I received from SNPA. Note carefully the second sentence:

"The best way forward for parking for your trip is to buy three full day tickets (5 per day) and display all three on your vehicle  dashboard. If you could supply me with your vehicle make, colour and reg. no we will then be aware of what has happened."

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Re: Pen Y Pass Advice
« Reply #40 on: 11:26:52, 17/08/17 »
Sounds good but I would be inclined to take a photo of the tickets displayed on your windscreen. Just in case.

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« Reply #41 on: 13:28:17, 18/08/17 »
The easiest solution to all this getting ripped off to park business, is to simply park on Conwy's side of the mountain.
Granted it may be an extra mile or so to walk to Pen Y Pass, but if your really intent on blowing a tenner, pop along to either the Ogwen Mountain rescue hut, below Tryfan, or the rescue lads in llanberis.
I bet your donation would be well accepted.

Just imagine if only a small percentage of the visitors , who regularly use  Pen Y Pass refused to park there, and on their way home, donated that tenner to the gallant MR volunteers.

I bet none of that parking revenue reaches their coffers, and if some of it does, it will be a tiny fraction of what the Park authority take every year.

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« Reply #42 on: 18:32:44, 18/08/17 »
The easiest solution to all this getting ripped off to park business, is to simply park on Conwy's side of the mountain.
Granted it may be an extra mile or so to walk to Pen Y Pass, but if your really intent on blowing a tenner, pop along to either the Ogwen Mountain rescue hut, below Tryfan, or the rescue lads in llanberis.
I bet your donation would be well accepted.

Just imagine if only a small percentage of the visitors , who regularly use  Pen Y Pass refused to park there, and on their way home, donated that tenner to the gallant MR volunteers.

I bet none of that parking revenue reaches their coffers, and if some of it does, it will be a tiny fraction of what the Park authority take every year.



You can blather on 'til the cows come home about the whys and wherefores of what happens to the money taken at the PyP car park.  Top and bottom of it is.....if people are willing to pay the tenner to park at Pen y Pass, they will.  If they're not, they'll look for alternatives.  It really is that simple  O0
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Re: Pen Y Pass Advice
« Reply #43 on: 18:45:55, 18/08/17 »
It certainly is, i quite agree, but over the past decade, parking anywhere near the mountain without incurring any significant parking levy, is becoming almost impossible.
The numerous parking places along the stretch of the llanberis Pass, are now no go areas, when not that many years ago, you were left alone, if you parked in a small pull in.


Park there at your peril, today you will get a yellow ticket, its virtually guaranteed.
The entire road from the Pen Y Gwyrydd, almost as far as Beddgelert, is subject to some parking restrictions, and even the numerous pull ins, throughout the roads length, have limited stay periods.

You could park at the side of the road, opposite Llyn Gwynant, but its a heck of a long way to the top of the mountain and back, so thats not really an option.

The fact is, that few people are willing to seriously walk any distance, to gain access to Snowdon, and the National Park realise this.

Its already a significant expense to drive to snowdonia, so why should we be crippled by outraegous parking charges.

The vast majority of visitors to Pen Y Pass are clueless on where to park, other than the designated parking places, they have no option but to grin and bare the hefty price, if there's an opportunity to avoid downright commercialism, i will take it.
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Re: Pen Y Pass Advice
« Reply #44 on: 19:16:49, 18/08/17 »
You're preaching to the converted on this forum DA.  You should post your musings on a day trippers adventure up Snowdon forum.
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