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kinkyboots

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« Reply #15 on: 08:58:26, 25/09/17 »
The Alberg Jorvik Trail might be worth a closer look? http://www.altberg.co.uk/product/jorvik-trail-factory-stock/

They were specifically designed for walks on lower level footpaths in the Yorkshire Dales. One piece 1.6-1.8mm Nappone leather upper with minimal stitching and a Sympatex waterproof liner. Easy to maintain with Altberg's Leder Gris Original wax which I posted a link to earlier.




Your nearest stockist can be found here http://www.altberg.co.uk/stockists/

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« Reply #16 on: 09:21:22, 25/09/17 »
They look ideal for tap dancing. :)

My wife has a pair of Mephisto's, they look similar.

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« Reply #17 on: 09:23:37, 25/09/17 »
They look ideal for tap dancing. :)
Tried it once, fell in the sink.


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« Reply #18 on: 17:54:30, 25/09/17 »
Look fine Kinky. In fact don't care too much what they look like. Checked with the stockist in my town but they only stock a few boots and not these. Next nearest is 50 miles :(

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« Reply #19 on: 18:48:02, 25/09/17 »
Thanks Mel, The tell tale sign is the wet patch on the sock either side of the foot just before the toes. Soaked but the rest of the sock dry. Not sure about you but a heck of a strange place to sweat profusely yet be dry elsewhere  ;) . It is not sweat, wicking, in the top or anything else.


Fair enough. Like I said, it was just a thought, given the information you had provided.  Good luck with finding a solution  O0

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« Reply #20 on: 11:34:13, 26/09/17 »
Did you check with your local Altberg stockist whether they would be prepared to order some Altberg Jorvik Trail in on a sale or return basis for you to try?

Another possible option worth a closer look are the Zamberlan 300 Ultra Lite Low GTX Walking Shoes.

They're not a single piece leather construction but with a Gore-Tex lining and Vibram sole the right elements are present. I obviously can't say how well any of these shoes will stand up to the rigours of daily dog walking which is extremely hard on any footwear.

https://www.tiso.com/tiso-zamb-1127257/tiso-zamb-1127257-ultra-lite-gtx-low-dk-brown/
https://www.lakes-cycles.com/zamberlan-300-ultra-lite-low-gtx-walking-shoes-brown
http://www.uttings.co.uk/p118489-zamberlan-300-ultra-lite-low-gtx-walking-shoes-men-s-chestnut-0300cm0g-0c/




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« Reply #21 on: 19:47:31, 28/09/17 »
I too have had leaking problems with several "waterproof" boots in wet grass.

The first sign of ingress is a cool feeling in the toes which immediately suggests a leak and not sweating.
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« Reply #22 on: 07:38:56, 29/09/17 »
On a slight tangent ....


I don't know all the details, facts and figures, but I do know that much of the time footwear billed as "waterproof" doesn't have a membrane over the whole boot! In fact, it may be as low as only up to the low side of the ankle bone.


Now I'm not saying that's what is happening here, but it does make you think!  :D

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« Reply #23 on: 11:07:44, 29/09/17 »
What about these? Proper Clogs,  ;D
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« Reply #24 on: 17:18:59, 04/10/17 »
Apologies for not being on for a few days. Thanks for all the suggestions. Kinky, thanks for the various links though you may have missed the bit about 'never shopping in Tiso again'  :-X


There is good news and not such good news.


Since melting the G-wax into the seams I am no longer getting wet socks! I can't even remember which forum I'd read it on! I wanted to be sure before coming back on.


However, as Phileas mentions, I still get a sensation of cold in the offending shoe suggesting maybe the water is still around? Tough to envisage the wax having sealed a hole in the liner? I've no idea - all I know is things are definitely better. I've even been stepping in puddles and through wet grass to fully exercise them.


I'm well pleased and the Meindls have been very comfy. The question is how long before it comes back and how often to repeat the process?

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« Reply #25 on: 17:37:59, 04/10/17 »
Another piece of info that may be relevant to my problem is my boot room. I have a small 1.5sqm room off my garage that was always tagged as a boot room by the architect. It houses one of my combi boilers. I know what y'all will be thinking - its drying the leather out and its cracking!  

 
Now that the heating is back on I put a monitor in and depending what the heating or hot water is doing it sits between 25-28C. Now I know manufacturers will always point to something being wrong in a consumers care regime and I can imagine someone is going to tell me this is too warm? The vast majority of care sites say 'room temperature'. OK, 25C would be baking to me but not my 85yo mother! 25C is easily going to be room temp in may countries.....   8)

 
The boot room is so handy. My son trains every day and the football boots go in every night. He rotates so many pairs its less of an issue and seldom gets much more than 6 months out of boots anyway    ::) . We also hang wet jackets in there and stuff comes out perfect to slip on and not clammy but not toasty either. The evidence would have to be overwhelming to stop me using my boot room.  

 
Anyone want to disagree....?  

kinkyboots

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« Reply #26 on: 17:51:23, 04/10/17 »
Kinky, thanks for the various links though you may have missed the bit about 'never shopping in Tiso again'  :-X

I didn't miss it.  ;)

At the end of the day a cheap price is a cheap price when compared to the rest and there's no point cutting off your nose to spite your face.

These links may be worth a read
http://www.meindl.co.uk/products/caracus-gtx
http://www.meindl.co.uk/products/aftercare
http://www.meindl.de/service/care/?lang=en
https://www.hillanddaleoutdoors.co.uk/brands/meindlCare.php

A change to the Meindl Sportwax may be beneficial as it's a much softer creamy wax which you will find penetrates the leather and stitching far more easily than the Grangers G-Wax.

The frequency of waxing is entirely up to you but if you want to keep the leather in good condition I would suggest that initially you need to build up 2 or 3 layers and then clean and rewax maybe on a weekly basis or after each time they've had a good soaking.
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« Reply #27 on: 21:17:50, 04/10/17 »
I also have some of Grangers soft paste wax probably more akin to Meindl's own. I'm not buying into all the 'must use our own care products' claptrap because we all know why they say that.


The Meindl pages are all very well but no way, NO WAY are people cleaning their boots after every use. And I'd argue it was a product not fit for purpose for any manufacturer to use that as any excuse. And certainly not being cleaned as they demonstrate watering inside & out, take them apart, wax, waterproof, goodness knows what all else they can sell you.


However, I did note this interesting snippet.
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« Reply #28 on: 12:01:55, 05/10/17 »
The Meindl pages are all very well but no way, NO WAY are people cleaning their boots after every use.

You seem to be forgetting that the vast majority of walkers do not use their walking footwear each and every day like you do and maybe only use their footwear a couple of times a month or possibly even less so for the vast majority of people the advice to clean and wax after every use is actually very good advice.

As I mentioned earlier daily dog walking in all weathers is particularly hard on any footwear and because of that the better you can look after your footwear the longer it is likely to last. Wet (soaked) leather is very sensitive to heat and can become brittle, hard and start cracking across the flex points if it's dried out too quickly or subjected to an external heat source. The slower you can dry out wet leather the less damage will be done to it and the longer it will last.

Grangers produce their own brand of waxes but also manufacture waxes and cleaning products on behalf of many of the major boot manufacturers including Meindl. The only real differences between them are that they all have slight variations in the ingredients, wax and oil levels and the retail packaging.

The Grangers Paste Wax being softer than G-Wax will  initially be a better option for you to use until you have established the first few layers of wax on the footwear and impregnated the stitching causing it to swell and fill any microscopic gaps or holes which may be present. Once that's done there's no problem reverting back to using the G-Wax. You don't need to use a heat source to get the wax absorbed into the stitching - the heat from your finger end will be more than adequate.

If the tongue area on the Meindl Caracas GTX is fabric as it looks to be on the pictures I've seen you may also want to consider using something like the Grangers Footwear Repel on that area to keep it waterproof.
http://www.gooutdoors.co.uk/grangers-footwear-repel-spray-275ml-p342977
https://www.absolute-snow.co.uk/V/Grangers_Footwear_Repel_Technical_Waterproofer_Spray_275ml-%2899780%29?Curr=GBP/
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« Reply #29 on: 23:18:21, 05/10/17 »
I've just written a 1000 word explanation of why coats and boots leak. I then deleted it all. Whats the point? Lol.
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