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christer

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Sleeping bags
« on: 02:09:14, 21/02/15 »
Hello all


Just a quick question as to which sleeping bags you are using that are light and compact with a minimum comfort level of say 5deg C or so? As a Norwegian I like the Ajungilak bags of old, and I understand Mammut now use their tech? I was considering a Montana 2 or something similar.....


I don't need a £350 bag for mountain use, hopefully something under 1000g...?


Thanks in advance!

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Re: Sleeping bags
« Reply #1 on: 06:43:31, 21/02/15 »
Hi Christer
I have the Montana 2 bag but haven't used it has yet, but must say the quality and warmth of the bag against same rating of other bags and for what this review says is top notch http://www.myoutdoors.co.uk/index.php/sleeping-bags-and-mats/synthetic-sleeping-bags/292-mammut-montana-sleeping-bag-reviewed I slept on floorboards for an afternoon in the bag and felt comfortable, and not hot but just right. The bag was EN tested in 2012 and to me is why the bag is warmer than others EN 2002 at the same rating.
Regarding space I am 5ft11 and 45 chest and was plenty of movement inside the bag. The bag actually weighs 1050 including sack.
For the UK weather this will be more a Summer coastal go to bag left in the van for me or the Mrs..
The quality is nice and was able to pick it up for £47.00p last year at go outdoors. After buying this I bought the Montana 3


Oh Buy the Mammut pillow too absolute bargain and fits snug inside the hood.

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« Reply #2 on: 11:45:37, 21/02/15 »
Hi Fox

Thanks for that - as mentioned I have been looking at one of those but never seen one in the flesh.

I think I will look at Mountain Hardwear and some of those as well, because space and weight is very important for long distance hiking.

C

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Re: Sleeping bags
« Reply #3 on: 13:09:18, 21/02/15 »
I've stopped using sleeping bags and now use a sleeping quilt. I like it!

christer

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« Reply #4 on: 14:13:35, 21/02/15 »
Not a bad idea, do you find that they insulate from cold as well as a bag?


I like the look and specs of the Mountain Hardwear Ratio 45 actually. Fairly light and comfort level of around 7degC.....








christer

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Re: Sleeping bags
« Reply #5 on: 14:35:30, 21/02/15 »
Actually, what do you use? Where to buy?


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« Reply #6 on: 15:16:11, 21/02/15 »
http://www.sportsdirect.com/vango-catalyst-400-sleeping-bag-781196?colcode=78119690

Specs- http://www.force-ten.co.uk/gb/lightweight-sleeping-bags/9-catalyst-400.html

Force Ten Catalyst 400 mummy bag - £140 from SD, with RRP of £280 (will sell out soon)

I'm 6'5" and 14.5 stone - it is only just big enough for me.

Half-length zip, 700 fill-power down, 0.8kg, packs down to a large grapefruit size.

Minimum comfort level rating -4c, extreme -21c (2002 ratings though, so probably a few degrees optimistic compared to the 2012 ones).

I doubt you'll beat those specs at that price.



If you want to use a quilt you need to have a good quality mat (you should get one anyway) - if you want 3 season use with bag or quilt I guess a mat with R-rating around 4 or higher is the target: better mats mean you need less bulky sleeping bags.

http://www.outdoorgb.com/p/Exped_Synmat_Lite_Sleeping_Mat/?SelectedItem=646533 (under £50 at time of posting - prices can change daily at outdoorgb.com)

Not the lightest, but it's sturdier than the ultralights (5yr warranty vs 2 yr) - you could get a pillow pump, or 'schnozzel' bag to inflate it (which also doubles as a waterproof sack or pillow if you shove a down jacket in it).

http://www.outdoorgb.com/p/Exped_Synmat_Ultralight_9_Sleeping_Mat/?SelectedItem=639023 (around £90 ATOP)

100gm lighter, R value 6 rather than 4 so more insulating - also 4cm deeper which may be a slight downside in your Zeph 2 with headroom being at a premium, although there should be room to sit next to it for changing clothes)


The world of gear is always a compromise - cost vs price vs reliability vs packing size vs weight vs 'cool factor' etc etc

Never a right answer, but some are righter than others  ;)






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« Reply #7 on: 16:58:02, 21/02/15 »
I started looking at quilt primarily as a way of slimming weight off my kit and because I had already concluded that my sleeping bag frustrated me. For my personal enjoyment I knew I did not need a sleeping bag base and or a sleeping bag hood. For me, just extra weight for no reason. I bought a Cumulus Quilt 350 from Slovakia via the internet. In hindsight I could have bought the cheaper 250 model, sometimes the 350 is just too warm. Couldn't get one in UK because Cumulus UK and Cumulus Poland do not, from a business point of view, want to compete with each other, so Cumulus Poland would not sell me one, hence the reason of buying from Slovakia. 200 Euros at the time and took four days to get here. Wonderfully light and warm, packs up really small and for me absolutely perfect on warm nights in the summer. Three things need thinking about though. Firstly, I tried a liner, OK for a sleeping bag, not really helpful in a quilt, best to use long johns and a top or stay naked. Secondly, I find that for me the quilt works best in partnership with an inflatable mattress, I use a Thermarest with a fitted sheet. Thirdly, on colder nights you just need to devise a system so the quilt curls under and stays under you, for me easily achieved with two short lengths of elasticated cord. The cord actually comes with it, I just had to work out for myself how best to use it. A few models out there, mostly from USA and a few demonstrations on YouTube.

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« Reply #8 on: 18:15:30, 21/02/15 »
On the mat side, I have an exped self inflating thing but I think I prefer somethign like this:


http://www.ultralightoutdoorgear.co.uk/equipment-c3/sleeping-mats-c58/all-sleeping-mats-c146/multimat-superlite-air-blow-up-airbed-regular-p1063


Catakyst 400 looks pretty good, a bit warmer than I need but good price etc. thank you!

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« Reply #9 on: 19:45:17, 21/02/15 »
Hi Christer
No probs but is a good bag, but a low of rating basically just use a 2-3 seasoned bag is best and when to hot just open it fully and use it as a quilt and put a T-shirt over your sleeping pad.
Regarding sleeping pad I have the multimat 25 superlite http://www.simplyhike.co.uk/products/Multimat/Superlite25SelfInflatingMat-RedandBlack.aspx its a self inflating mat that has a R 3.9 value weighs in at 4.90 actual weight, and comes with Two patches and adhesive £ 44.95p

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« Reply #10 on: 00:25:48, 22/02/15 »
Alpkit pipedream is available for preorder, 2 season bag weighing in at 650grams and £175. No good for fatties like me though!

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Re: Sleeping bags
« Reply #11 on: 14:09:10, 13/03/15 »
Just to update - I decided on the Mountain Hardwear Ratio 32. Comfort 3degC, limit -3degC extreme -19degC


About 830grams.


http://www.mountainhardwear.eu/Men%27s%20Ratio%E2%84%A2%2032%20%28Regular%29-OU8532.html?dwvar_OU8532_variationColor=372&cgid=equipment-sleepingBags-over20#start=10


I noticed Blacks have them at £130 until they sell out, normal price range £175-200.


I think it will do me, I don't tend to camp in the midst of winter anyway - and the weight is pretty reasonable for the rating imho.


Thanks for the advice and replies.


Christer


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« Reply #12 on: 15:00:56, 13/03/15 »
Hi Christer
Yep I bought one of those last night but canceled when I read this review http://www.ultralightoutdoorgear.co.uk/uog-review-mountain-hardwear-ratio-32-down-sleeping-bag-i401 brings the said bag ratings questionable to maybe zero, but other reviews seem to question that.http://www.rei.com/product/864051/mountain-hardwear-ratio-32-sleeping-bag#tab-reviews But maybe this bag be right for the rating your looking for.  Now about to look at the Marmot Never winter bag http://marmot.com/products/details/never-winter-new with an actual rating of Minus 1 But 163g heavier but gets great sound reviews  Let us know how you get on with the bag.

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« Reply #13 on: 16:24:14, 13/03/15 »
Thanks Fox - it will probably be fine for me, I tend to not get so cold - I was fine just with baselayer in a crappy Vango 50 bag in April lastyear in Scotland with overnight temp of 6degC......


I wouldn't have purchased it for a 4 season bag, I would probably have gone for a Lightwave 450 or similar. The weight is important to me, I don't want to "spend" more than 1kg - and this one seems to be a good compromise between warmth and weight for my usage (which does not generally include winter camping). I will try to remember to update later on when I have had a chance to use it a bit.


Cheers


Christer


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Re: Sleeping bags
« Reply #14 on: 00:20:12, 14/03/15 »
I too am looking for a light weight sleeping bag. I've been thinking about the Rab Ascent 500. Gooutdoors have it for £198 at the moment.
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