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Title: Help me lose weight!
Post by: richardh1905 on 11:29:07, 21/06/18



After a couple of days of mountain walking with an 11kg pack (9kg without food and water), I have decided that it is time to shed some weight - without spending the pounds.


Storm Shield Ultralite 2 man tunnel tent - 2.1kg. Now I do have a lighter tent, an ancient Saunders Jetpacker, still in good condition, but I just find it too small. And I do like the StormShield; it's a tough well made little tent, despite it's budget price. I've gone through what is in the tent bag, and have managed to save 130g by putting aside spare tent pegs, the repair kit and the pole bag.

Buffalo fibre pile/pertex sleeping bag - 1.3kg. I'm sticking with this; I like it. I have a pair of lightweight fibre pile trousers and some thick but light socks that I wear if it is a bit cold.

Sawn off closed cell Karrimat - 208g. I've just shaved a little more off this so it is now 120cm long. I've had this since 1984!

Cookwear - none! - 0kg. I lugged my Primus Omnilite stove, fuel bottle and titanium pans over the hill last Friday, only to have a disgusting dehydrated meal at the end of the day, when I really couldn't be bothered. And I had a dry early start the next day - breakfast was a sip of peaty water. So I asked myself, as I was walking down the glen back to the car - why bother with a cookset at all? I'll quite happily eat oatcakes, nuts, cheese, dried fruit, kabanos etc instead of disgusting slop. 1kg saved, without spending a penny!

Water  - Two 500ml fizzy drink bottles - 50g. My plastic 1 litre water bottle weighed 140g or so - time for it to be retired. Saving 90g.

Rucsac - Karrimor 45 litre 'Hot Earth' - 800g. I was using a Karrimoor Jaguar 65 litre pack weighing in at 1.8kg. Without the cookset, I have less to carry, so the smaller pack is fine. 1kg saving.

After this, I suspect that it is a case of diminishing returns. I need to look at my spare clothing, and I'll probably swap my metal whistle for a plastic one, and pack a smaller penknife, but I cannot think of much else.


With these saving, I estimate that my pack weight (without food and water) will be somewhere between 6.5 and 7kg.

Suggestions/comments welcome!


Edit - I should add that this is for brief forays into the mountains, rather than plodding up the Pennine Way.
Title: Re: Help me lose weight!
Post by: Doddy on 12:00:07, 21/06/18

My advice is to put you gear in three piles; 1.Essentials, Might Need, 3.Nice to have. Then get rid of piles 2 and 3.


Always difficult to comment without seeing a full gear list; and in any event it often hurts to say, and hear, as it means spending more money and you realise have bought the wrong stuff in the first place.
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Title: Re: Help me lose weight!
Post by: sussamb on 12:02:34, 21/06/18
I'll quite happily eat oatcakes, nuts, cheese, dried fruit, kabanos etc instead of disgusting slop. 1kg saved, without spending a penny!

Will you though?  Weight of that food will add up  ;)
Title: Re: Help me lose weight!
Post by: richardh1905 on 12:14:08, 21/06/18


Will you though?  Weight of that food will add up  ;)
Absolutely. I love oatcakes, and they have getting on for 500kcal/100g energy content. And the other foods that I list all have a high energy content.


Edit - a 200g pack of Stockan's Orkney oatcakes contains 978kcal (I couldn't resist when I had a look a the packet, so I am eating one now!). Lovely with squirty cheese, or even with peanut butter.
Title: Re: Help me lose weight!
Post by: richardh1905 on 12:19:51, 21/06/18
My advice is to put you gear in three piles; 1.Essentials, Might Need, 3.Nice to have. Then get rid of piles 2 and 3.


Always difficult to comment without seeing a full gear list; and in any event it often hurts to say, and hear, as it means spending more money and you realise have bought the wrong stuff in the first place.
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My base weight is around 6kg. 9kg with 3 days food and a days water.[/color]  


I've already been fairly ruthless, Doddy, but you could argue that I don't need a penknife, I suppose.


I do need to look more closely at the spare clothes that I carry; one item, a fleece coated fibre pile jacket, is a bit on the heavy side, but it is super warm and it makes a good pillow. Maybe when finances allow I'll treat myself to a decent duvet jacket.


What sort of calorific intake do you go for per day?
Title: Re: Help me lose weight!
Post by: alan de enfield on 12:49:07, 21/06/18

What sort of calorific intake do you go for per day?



My 2-3 day pack (25 litre 'Regatta')  is an all-up weight of 9.7Kgs (including, food, water, and Solar battery charger/bank)


Food for 2+ days (breakfast, lunch, dinner and supper, tea bags, milk, sugar, cocoa, flapjacks etc) comes in at 1.13kg
Water 3x 500ml 1.5kgs
Water Filter Pump 237g


So 'base weight' (excluding food and water, stove and pans) = ~ 6.5kg


With sleeping bag, full length mattress, pillow, 2-man (sitting height) tent, footprint, GPS, trowel, 1st aid kit, clothes, wash kit, headlight, knife, etc etc etc.


'Clothes' consists of simply :
T-shirt, Pants, Socks, Poncho, washing kit (Towel, soap, comb), pair 'camp slippers', and spare boot laces. Total weight 456g


My Kcal intake is 2000 per day, typical 2-day menu :



                        Breakfast           Lunch                            Dinner                    Supper

 Day 1               Porridge           Cup-A-Soup                 Spaghetti               Bar Chocolate
                        Cup of Tea       Twin Granola Bar         Bolognese             Cup of Cocoa
                                                                                      Cup of Tea             Flapjack
 
Day 2               Porridge           Pasta Mug Shotz            Shepherd’s Pie        Bar Chocolate
                        Cup of Tea       Twin Granola Bar          Extra 'Smash'         Cup of Cocoa
                                                                                      Cup of Tea                Flapjack



Nothing too heavy for lunch or I tend to get 'stitch' or 'cramps' if walking too soon after eating.


Just for comparison my 5-night pack (65 litre Berghaus) weighs in at 17.8kgs but has 3 litres of water, food for 5-6 days, complete change of clothes + jacket, etc, bigger gas cylinder, radio, kindle, fold-out solar panel kit and battery bank etc etc.
Title: Re: Help me lose weight!
Post by: NeilC on 14:32:50, 21/06/18
The two heavy items are the tent and sleeping bag. Especially in the warmer months, you could get away with a much lighter bag. Some ultralight summer down bags drop to like 250g. Even cheapo synthetic summer bags can be 1/2 the weight of the pile ones. I know you say you're keeping it but that is the obvious overweight bang-for-buck saving right there IMO.


And 2 man tents can come a fair bit lighter but it can start getting pricey.


After that, unless you're carrying some silly clothing choices, it really is a law of diminishing returns. But the pile jacket doesn't sound like a great choice for backpacking in normal UK conditions.


Clearly other people are far more expert at this than me - I cannot fathom how anyone could carry 3 days full kit including food & water in a 25 litre bag

Title: Re: Help me lose weight!
Post by: richardh1905 on 15:32:43, 21/06/18


Thanks Alan; I'm surprised that you manage on as little as 2000 kcal/day, but I suppose it depends upon how far you are going and what sort of terrain you will be covering. My recent foray into the hills involved a steep mostly pathless ascent up to Munro level, and several miles of struggling through heather and bog; pretty strenuous stuff; hence my desire to shed a few kilos from my pack.


In the past I have worn a Polar heart rate monitor whilst running and, as a trial, whilst walking, and I found that walking up a steep hill with a pack on can easily result in burning calories at the same rate as when jogging, about 10 kcal/minute (normal walking on the flat is around 5kcal/minute). Note that these figures are specific to me, derived from the Polar Flow app. In fact on one cross country run that I did (Lomond West in Fife), my highest heart rate occurred when I was walking up the final steep slopes to the summit!


Sorry for rambling on; your figure just surprised me; that's all.


p.s. - I shuddered when I read "Cup-A-Soup" in your menu  :-X
Title: Re: Help me lose weight!
Post by: richardh1905 on 15:40:55, 21/06/18

Thanks for your comments Neil.


I'm aware that lighter bags and tents are available, but I cannot justify the spend right now (maybe next year). I do have my eye on the NatureHike Cloud range of tents, very light and very cheap (~£85 for the one man, ~£120 for the 2 man).
Title: Re: Help me lose weight!
Post by: alan de enfield on 15:45:27, 21/06/18
Thanks Alan; I'm surprised that you manage on as little as 2000 kcal/day, but I suppose it depends upon how far you are going and what sort of terrain you will be covering. My recent foray into the hills involved a steep mostly pathless ascent up to Munro level, and several miles of struggling through heather and bog; pretty strenuous stuff; hence my desire to shed a few kilos from my pack.





Very valid point.


My 'day to day' walking is around Lincolnshire (where a mole hill has aircraft warning lights fitted), footpaths, farm / estate tracks etc, generally 5-10 miles 3 or 4 times per week and occasional 10-15 miles (maybe once per week).


The 'serious' walking is pretty much on moorland / heathland Debyshire etc. and would generally be 10-15 miles per day on a 3-day trip.
 Its many years since I 'did' mountains or long duration hikes - the last time I did the PW was in (I think) 1973, and the 24 hr Lyke Wake Walk a couple of years later. Since then its been walks like the Coastal Footpath around Cornwall etc.


Being old & retired gives some benefits - of being able to walk when you want, but the downside is the body won't do everything the brain tells it, it can still do.
Title: Re: Help me lose weight!
Post by: richardh1905 on 15:53:13, 21/06/18

My 'day to day' walking is around Lincolnshire (where a mole hill has aircraft warning lights fitted), footpaths, farm / estate tracks etc, generally 5-10 miles 3 or 4 times per week and occasional 10-15 miles (maybe once per week).


I know the Lincolnshire terrain well, was bought up there. But I've always been attracted to the hills; even as a child I would get excited when we went over Bowes Moor to see relatives.


Quote
Being old & retired gives some benefits - of being able to walk when you want, but the downside is the body won't do everything the brain tells it, it can still do.


I took early retirement a few months back; luckily I still appear to be fit enough to get up into the hills, although I do get a few more aches and pains than I did in my youth!
Title: Re: Help me lose weight!
Post by: NeilC on 15:58:39, 21/06/18
Thanks for your comments Neil.


I'm aware that lighter bags and tents are available, but I cannot justify the spend right now (maybe next year). I do have my eye on the NatureHike Cloud range of tents, very light and very cheap (~£85 for the one man, ~£120 for the 2 man).


I know what you mean. I don't have unlimited funds to spend on this stuff either. I spent my sleeping bag money on a decent winter bag and for summer I've been using cheapo synthetic bag I bought from decathlon for £25. it's ideal for the warmer months and lighter than my big down bag I find just too warm for summer anyway.


My tent weighs the same as yours and it's not getting changed anytime soon. Maybe I could put a nature hike on the old xmas list.
Title: Re: Help me lose weight!
Post by: richardh1905 on 16:04:35, 21/06/18
..and it would appear that decent sub 1kg sleeping bags don't come cheap either!
Title: Re: Help me lose weight!
Post by: scottk on 20:14:38, 21/06/18
I have been testing out some lightweight kit for a 2-3 day hike. I have a Berghaus fast hike 32l pack, small 1 man tent, PhD sleeping bag and a neoair full length mat. With my jetboil, food and some water it comes in at about 6kg. This includes waterproofs, sleeping baselayer, spare socks, hat and gloves. Only good for 3 season but it makes a nice change from a big bag.
The sleeping bag is about 600g and that was my xmas present during the sale this year!
Tent is a Nordisk Telemark 1 which is about 800g, groundsheet is polycro at about 80g. The tent is small and I have a tarptent scarp 1 for foul weather / cooler weather.
I added an Exped flash pocket to the outside of the rucksack as I like a big pocket on the outside for wet gear and food etc I want during the day.
I enjoy the mountain trail meals I have had so far.
It's all horses for courses and what works for me probably won't work for other people.
Title: Re: Help me lose weight!
Post by: richardh1905 on 20:35:50, 21/06/18

Nordisk Telemark 1 which is about 800g, groundsheet is polycro at about 80g. The tent is small and I have a tarptent scarp 1 for foul weather / cooler weather.


Nice tent!


Not cheap though - can't see my budget stretching that far in the foreseeable future.
Title: Re: Help me lose weight!
Post by: NeilC on 09:56:06, 22/06/18
..and it would appear that decent sub 1kg sleeping bags don't come cheap either!


Then don't get a decent one  :D

Get a cheap one. You can get a 10C comfort/ 5c limit bag weighing under a kilo for £30 or less.

300g+ weight saving for £30 ain't bad.
Title: Re: Help me lose weight!
Post by: gunwharfman on 11:00:29, 22/06/18
I use a down sleeping quilt, no back and no hood, so very light and will roll up very small. Not cheap though.
Title: Re: Help me lose weight!
Post by: zuludog on 11:51:54, 22/06/18
Hello Richard, it looks like you & I are in a similar position, along with a few of my friends
We have all done long & hard days in the hills, in all weather, but now we are content to do lower level walks in reasonable conditions/3 seasons


One of the problems we have (perhaps that's the wrong word; considerations might be a better choice) is that we have acquired a fair amount of gear, much of which has become reliable, old favourites; it's tried & tested and it all works very well
Interestingly, we have all found that the base weight (gear but no food or water) comes out very similar at around 9 or 10 kg. In that respect you're doing OK


 To get this base weight any lower we must accept that we must spend some money on new gear. The problem is that we can't afford to simply splash out on a completely new load of gear, so where's the best place to put it?
You are doing a cost benefit analysis, either mentally and without realising it, or you could even whip out the calculator and do it that way. As you have guessed, you will quickly find out about the Law of Diminishing Returns!


I can see 3 areas where you could save weight -


Tent. I have used an Ultimate Tramp 1, which is similar to the Jetpacker; a Laser Comp 1; and an Akto. But I wanted something a bit bigger, so recently I got an MSR Hubba NX 1; this is excellent, well made & strong. If you can't afford that, look at the Naturehike Cloud range
But be careful when choosing a tent. the makers know that we pay a lot of attention to the weight, and will do all sorts of tricks to confuse us  - stripped weight, minimum weight, not including pegs/bags/guylines, or just the bare minimum of pegs. This might not be illegal, but IMO it is definitely sharp practice


The next stage is to look at things like tarps & single skin tents, but they only give useful weight savings if you use trekking poles
You could try using just the flysheet of either of your tents.


Sleeping bag. you say you like your existing bag, but really, you can get a decent bag at less than 1kg. As you are willing to wear clothes inside, this would also help you consider a lighter bag. but shop around for the best prices


Clothing. Your pile jacket is probably too heavy. Have a look at these narrow channelled quilted jackets, in synthetic (do they have a proper name? I'm sure someone will enlighten me)
I use a microfleece top; a Polartec 200 jacket; and a Polartec fleece 200 body warmer


I tried going stoveless a couple of times, but found that although I was OK with cold food, I missed my coffee in the morning, and tea in the evening.
Look at a very small titanium stove, like the Alpkit Kraku, or the various ultralight meths burners


Finally, here's a plug for www.backpackersclub.co.uk. I've been a member for over 20 years and find them very friendly & easygoing. Many of the members are of a certain age, and have a lot of knowledge on lightweight gear. The club also gets discount at several retailers

Title: Re: Help me lose weight!
Post by: richardh1905 on 13:36:03, 22/06/18

Thanks for the detailed reply, zuludog.


I am not totally unreceptive to the idea of spending money on new lightweight gear, but it is not likely to be happening within the next year. I've just retired and am in what I call a transitional phase, and I want to see how I manage on less money before splashing out too much.


As you say, it is difficult to give up on cherished gear. My biggest wrench in that respect is my Primus Omnilite titanium multi fuel stove. But I'm prepared to give up on this for short 2-3 day forays into the mountains. For longer trips, or if with my wife, I'll take it. If going stoveless doesn't work out, I'll look at a spirit burner + home made windshield. Speedster Stoves (https://speedsterstoves.co.uk/) ones look good, and are very cheap.


I'm not so attached to my Storm Shield tent; it was bought from Millets as a spare for the kids, but it is actually quite decent; certainly for the £60 that I paid for it - and they threw in one of those (useless) suitcase style gas stoves. Next year I may be in the market for something lighter, and I do have my eye on the Naturehike Cloud series, as I mentioned in an earlier post. One thing that holds me back is the large gap below the fly; this coupled with the predominantly mesh inner could make for a draughty night - especially here in Orkney, or if camping high or in winter. I do note that they do a version with a snow valance.


Flysheet only camping is likely to be a 'no no' for me, one word - midges.


I'm swapping out the heavy fibre pile/fleece jacket for a lighter weight second fleece. Duvets can wait.


The bag I will look at; at home we have a number of cheapo 2/3 season synthetics, but they weigh in at 1.5kg upwards. I'm not inclined to add another to the shelf, so I'll wait until I can afford something decent.


I went on a trial camp last night, and was pleased with my new base weight of somewhat under 7kg. As well as the actions listed in the table in my earlier post, I swapped compass and whistle for lighter ones that I had, and ditched the heavy Swiss Army knife.
Title: Re: Help me lose weight!
Post by: zuludog on 16:13:32, 22/06/18
Hello Richard, I just wondered something? Do you wear boots or shoes?


For decades I wore boots on the hills, mainly because I was going over big hills in all weathers, and also because that was the done thing to do


Then fairly recently I was persuaded to try trail shoes. I was doubtful at first, but when I did get a pair the difference and improvement was amazing! - lighter, more comfortable, but still with good grip and no slipping of the shoes on the ground or my feet inside the shoes
Together with some lighter gear I can still enjoy backpacking without being absolutely knackered


I still wear boots in winter or on high hills like the Lake District and Pennine moors, but as most of my walking now is on paths, bridleways, and so on, it's trail shoes every time
Title: Re: Help me lose weight!
Post by: Nomad32 on 23:49:44, 22/06/18
I like the omm mountain marathon 32l pack. It's really light and very functional. I use a neo air thermorest. Mine is full length. I suspect I would shave weight by going 3/4 length but I like the luxury I carry an alpkit 2 season down sleeping bag.. I have a terra nova tent which weighs under 1k and a few titanium pots and a sea to summit spork. With our food and  water I estimate it weighs about 7k I shudder to think what I spent on it all but it's worth every penny on them hills
Title: Re: Help me lose weight!
Post by: Nomad32 on 03:34:08, 23/06/18
Top tip. Beef jerky and pasta n sauce is a great meal. Bring to boil chuck in cozy wait for 20 mins tuck in
Title: Re: Help me lose weight!
Post by: richardh1905 on 07:20:34, 23/06/18

Hello Richard, I just wondered something? Do you wear boots or shoes?


Interesting question - I have always worn boots - although I have indulged in some light fell running on a few occasions. They are a lightweight pair though - and cheap, from the local agricultural merchants. They seem to do the job, although whilst slogging up a steep slope last weekend I did get the impression that the sole was a little on the bendy side for my liking.


I do tend to seek out some very rough places from time to time (the trackless River Eidart valley in the Cairngorms being an example), so I am inclined to stick with boots. And for winter use, definitely boots.
Title: Re: Help me lose weight!
Post by: richardh1905 on 07:29:39, 23/06/18

I like the omm mountain marathon 32l pack. It's really light and very functional. I use a neo air thermorest. Mine is full length. I suspect I would shave weight by going 3/4 length but I like the luxury I carry an alpkit 2 season down sleeping bag.. I have a terra nova tent which weighs under 1k and a few titanium pots and a sea to summit spork. With our food and  water I estimate it weighs about 7k I shudder to think what I spent on it all but it's worth every penny on them hills


I can't go below 45 litres on my pack unless I change my tent and sleeping bag; something I'm not financially inclined to do right now (maybe next year, once my retirement budgeting has settled down).


I've probably done all the trimming that I can for now without some fairly major purchases. I'm quite pleased that I have managed to shave over 2kg off my load without spending a penny.
Title: Re: Help me lose weight!
Post by: marmottungsten on 11:42:21, 23/06/18


After a couple of days of mountain walking with an 11kg pack (9kg without food and water), I have decided that it is time to shed some weight - without spending the pounds.


Storm Shield Ultralite 2 man tunnel tent - 2.1kg. Now I do have a lighter tent, an ancient Saunders Jetpacker, still in good condition, but I just find it too small. And I do like the StormShield; it's a tough well made little tent, despite it's budget price. I've gone through what is in the tent bag, and have managed to save 130g by putting aside spare tent pegs, the repair kit and the pole bag.

Buffalo fibre pile/pertex sleeping bag - 1.3kg. I'm sticking with this; I like it. I have a pair of lightweight fibre pile trousers and some thick but light socks that I wear if it is a bit cold.

Sawn off closed cell Karrimat - 208g. I've just shaved a little more off this so it is now 120cm long. I've had this since 1984!

Cookwear - none! - 0kg. I lugged my Primus Omnilite stove, fuel bottle and titanium pans over the hill last Friday, only to have a disgusting dehydrated meal at the end of the day, when I really couldn't be bothered. And I had a dry early start the next day - breakfast was a sip of peaty water. So I asked myself, as I was walking down the glen back to the car - why bother with a cookset at all? I'll quite happily eat oatcakes, nuts, cheese, dried fruit, kabanos etc instead of disgusting slop. 1kg saved, without spending a penny!

Water  - Two 500ml fizzy drink bottles - 50g. My plastic 1 litre water bottle weighed 140g or so - time for it to be retired. Saving 90g.

Rucsac - Karrimor 45 litre 'Hot Earth' - 800g. I was using a Karrimoor Jaguar 65 litre pack weighing in at 1.8kg. Without the cookset, I have less to carry, so the smaller pack is fine. 1kg saving.

After this, I suspect that it is a case of diminishing returns. I need to look at my spare clothing, and I'll probably swap my metal whistle for a plastic one, and pack a smaller penknife, but I cannot think of much else.


With these saving, I estimate that my pack weight (without food and water) will be somewhere between 6.5 and 7kg.

Suggestions/comments welcome!


Edit - I should add that this is for brief forays into the mountains, rather than plodding up the Pennine Way.


Richard, no one here can help you lose more base weight if are not prepared to compromise and swap more of your heaviest items for lighter alternatives.  It is usually the case that "less weight, costs more", when it comes to camping kit, but if you shop around, take advantage of special offers or sales, or even buy used gear, you might get lucky and be able to replace your heavy tent with a true ultralight version without spending a fortune.
  I would class a true ultralight tent as one weighing less than 1kg, but there are plenty of two person tents around that weight a lot less than that...Swap to a tent that weighs around 800g for instance  and you can automatically shave 1.3kg off your base weight.  Now it's true that a tent like this can cost you up to £400, but there are even lighter 2 person tents out there that are £100 cheaper...The Nemo Spike 2P, for instance.  It weighs only 658g (more than 1.44kg lighter than your current tent!) and it costs around £299.  It is able to be this light by being a design that dispenses with poles, relying on two trekking poles for support instead.
 However, if you are the sort of ultralight hiker that doesn't use trekking poles, because you think they would add too much weight to your kit, then you would probably prefer to use a tarp, rather than a heavier tent that comes with poles.
 Buying a lighter tent online, from the USA or China say, can save you hundreds of pounds, so make sure you shop around.
These ultralight tents will probably pack smaller than your current tent too, so you won't need such a large rucksack/backpack, and that it turn could save you another 200-300g off your base weight.
Your sleeping bag is pretty heavy too, but you have already stated that your are keeping it.  However, if you ever decide to change your mind, then swapping to an ultralight sleeping bag instead, like a 500g Marmot Phase 30 (30F or -1 'C comfort rating), would shave another 800g off your base weight  (it costs from around £320).
Your cooking kit seems very heavy...If you prefer gas, swapping your heavy stove to a BRS3000T ultralight Titanium stove, that weighs only 25g) would save you a lot of weight.  Or use an Esbit ST11.5Ti Ultralight Titanium Solid fuel stove, and solid fuel tablets, can save you even more weight.  I think you should easily be able to halve the weight of your cooking kit.
Also you didn't say what the disgusting slop you reluctantly made was?...With dehydrated foods it is very important to use the correct amount of boiling water when rehydrating them...Too little and they will be too dry, too much and they will turn to slop.  Obviously carrying a measuring jug is out of the question but there is a simple alternative...Buy one or more Ti pots that have fill graduations already machined onto them, so you can't get the fill level wrong.  The Finess City FTM4501 450ml Ti pot, with lid, for instance (available on Amazon).
Even your fizzy drink water bottles at 25g each are heavy...I use Asda, 1 litre, flavoured spring water, PET bottles weighing 29g each...twice the capacity of your bottles for just another 4g in weight!  I picked them because they have a thread that matches the Sawyer Mini water filter, so they can be used as squeeze pouches if my Sawyer pouch ever splits.  I just emptied out the fizzy water they had inside, rinsed them out, took off the lables and they were ready to use.
Title: Re: Help me lose weight!
Post by: richardh1905 on 14:25:29, 23/06/18


Thanks for the reply, marmot. As I've explained above, serious spending is not an option right now (although it may be in a year's time). I have managed to trim over 2kg through no cost actions, so I'm happy enough for now.

PS - I've ditched the cookset altogether; the ultimate weight saving. :)