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The best of Landscape Photographer of the Year 2012The annual competition to highlight the best amateur and professional landscape photographers in Britain has provided the usual array of spectacular, inspiring images. The 2012 exhibition of winning and commended entries will be held at London's National Theatre for eight weeks from November 12. The awards, along with a book of the same name, celebrate 'the landscapes of the United Kingdom... from salt marshes, chalk cliffs and ancient woodland, to historic villages, parklands and cityscapes'.http://uk.news.yahoo.com/photos/the-best-of-landscape-photographer-of-the-year-2012-1351510153-slideshow/#crsl=%252Fphotos%252Fthe-best-of-landscape-photographer-of-the-year-2012-1351510153-slideshow%252Flindisfarne-northumberland-david-byrne-s-said-his-captivating-image-which-was-the-overall-winner-photo--1404885716.html (http://uk.news.yahoo.com/photos/the-best-of-landscape-photographer-of-the-year-2012-1351510153-slideshow/#crsl=%252Fphotos%252Fthe-best-of-landscape-photographer-of-the-year-2012-1351510153-slideshow%252Flindisfarne-northumberland-david-byrne-s-said-his-captivating-image-which-was-the-overall-winner-photo--1404885716.html)
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there's been a fair amount of controversy though, because that winning photo by David Byrne appears to be a complete rip-off of this one by Peter Clark:
http://www.monolandscapes.talktalk.net/lindisfarne.htm (http://www.monolandscapes.talktalk.net/lindisfarne.htm)
judge for yourself
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Maybe it's my monitor but I think it needs a touch more contrast ............ it hasn't got any punch !
Derek
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there's been a fair amount of controversy though, because that winning photo by David Byrne appears to be a complete rip-off of this one by Peter Clark:
http://www.monolandscapes.talktalk.net/lindisfarne.htm (http://www.monolandscapes.talktalk.net/lindisfarne.htm)
judge for yourself
It looks to be a completely different picture............... taken from different angle !
And the pic you gave the link is really awful in every way...............in my opinion. :)
Derek
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It looks to be a completely different picture............... taken from different angle !
And the pic you gave the link is really awful in every way...............in my opinion. :)
Well yes, obviously it's a different photograph Derek :) ......but I think Glyno meant that it's not 'original', in the sense that it's been done before.
Whether David Byrne was aware of that, I guess we'll never know.
Photographers (professional or otherwise) often choose the same subject matter for their shots. We all know it happens, quite regularly! It doesn't necessarily mean that their shots can't be entered into competitions though.
The two shots above are pretty similar - but when so many other folk have photographed that scene, albeit from differing angles, it would be pretty hard for judges to exclude any one photograph from a competition because it's too similar to another one.
http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=upturned+boats+at+Lindisfarne&rlz=1C1LDJZ_enGB499GB499&sugexp=chrome,mod%3D0&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=1Y-PUJGFKsix0AWw4oGgAw&biw=1366&bih=643&sei=5Y-PUJuqMsGt0QWWwYGYBw (http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=upturned+boats+at+Lindisfarne&rlz=1C1LDJZ_enGB499GB499&sugexp=chrome,mod%3D0&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=1Y-PUJGFKsix0AWw4oGgAw&biw=1366&bih=643&sei=5Y-PUJuqMsGt0QWWwYGYBw)
Tracey :)
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Well composed photos but I much prefer David Byrne's effort, in my opinion anyway.
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Looking at more of the photos from the link Glyno provided, I cannot make my mind up, they have a almost pencil drawn feel to them at time I am just not sure if I like the look or not.
http://www.monolandscapes.talktalk.net/england.htm (http://www.monolandscapes.talktalk.net/england.htm) :-\
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Well yes, obviously it's a different photograph Derek :) ......but I think Glyno meant that it's not 'original', in the sense that it's been done before.
Whether David Byrne was aware of that, I guess we'll never know.
Photographers (professional or otherwise) often choose the same subject matter for their shots. We all know it happens, quite regularly! It doesn't necessarily mean that their shots can't be entered into competitions though.
The two shots above are pretty similar - but when so many other folk have photographed that scene, albeit from differing angles, it would be pretty hard for judges to exclude any one photograph from a competition because it's too similar to another one.
Tracey :)
Yes, I know that Tracey :) ................ so why even mention being "ripped off" from someone else !
I don't suppose there are many landscape pictures (scenes) that haven't already been "done" .............. so everyone is guilty :) ;)
That second pic is still awful ! ;D
Derek
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It looks to be a completely different picture............... taken from different angle !
And the pic you gave the link is really awful in every way...............in my opinion. :)
Derek
the controversy has been amongst photography circles, not something I've personally picked up on.
I wasn't saying I liked or disliked either photo, I was just pointing out that there had been rumblings and murmerings amongst certain photographic groups on the uncanny similarity of the two photos.
I wasn't particularly interested in your opinion, Derek.
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Here are the two COMPLETELY DIFFERENT images, which, according to DEREK, look COMPLETELY DIFFERENT, and taken from COMPLETELY DIFFERENT angles.
(http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/MDLxnnrBPT0PZOg8gSTX1Q--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9aW5zZXQ7aD0yODk7cT04NTt3PTYzMA--/http://l.yimg.com/os/251/2012/10/29/Lindisfarne-by-David-Byrne-taken-in-Northumberland--England--Overall-Winner--jpg_112327.jpg)
(http://www.monolandscapes.talktalk.net/images/Lindisfarne-Final.jpg)
Chalk and cheese, Derek ;)
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I prefer the top one and I've not looked at whose it is.
In the daylight it looks completely different and very ordinary - beauty in the eye of the beholder.
I suppose many classic scenes have been shot many times from the same spot by many people, and some get lucky with the prevailing light conditions - no not lucky, their perseverance is rewarded O0
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I too, much prefer the top one, the overall quality is far superior, but the lower one might have suffered by inferior reproduction on the website from which I saw it.
The bottom one has probably been posted at a lower resolution.
I do think that the composition, position from which the shot was taken, direction of shadows etc in both photos are very similar.
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I do think that the composition, position from which the shot was taken, direction of shadows etc in both photos are very similar.
Yes, I agree - so in this instance, I can see why David's photograph raised some questions.
There are loads of images of the boats at Lindisfarne on the Google link I posted, but none of them come close to being a prefect match like the 'original' Peter Clark one does.
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Here are the two COMPLETELY DIFFERENT images, which, according to DEREK, look COMPLETELY DIFFERENT, and taken from COMPLETELY DIFFERENT angles.
(http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/MDLxnnrBPT0PZOg8gSTX1Q--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9aW5zZXQ7aD0yODk7cT04NTt3PTYzMA--/http://l.yimg.com/os/251/2012/10/29/Lindisfarne-by-David-Byrne-taken-in-Northumberland--England--Overall-Winner--jpg_112327.jpg)
(http://www.monolandscapes.talktalk.net/images/Lindisfarne-Final.jpg)
Chalk and cheese, Derek ;)
These are two separate photos of the same area, the cloud is different in both, one has items between the two boats the other has items at the side of one boat and the are more things different between the two. It does look like someone went there to try to recreate the first picture some what. But it is only my opinion...
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Just as a point of interest, The Sunday Times published winning photos from other categories but decided not to publish David Byrne's.
It was only after winning the competition that Byrne 'admitted': “We went to Holy Island for the night, to visit the famous boat houses and castle of Lindisfarne. I’ve been waiting for a year to do this after seeing Peter Clarke’s great version of it. I hope I’ve done it justice.”
Hmmm... sounds a little bit like plagiarism to me.
some more opinion here: http://www.alexnail.com/blog/news-updates/lpoty-2012/ (http://www.alexnail.com/blog/news-updates/lpoty-2012/)
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I like the 2nd image of Lindisfarne with the beautiful lilac tones and I think 'London when it snows' is a dramatic powerful image. Often it's adverse weather conditions that make a photograph special and just being lucky to be in the right place @ the right time
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I wasn't particularly interested in your opinion, Derek.
And I'm not particularly interested in YOUR opinion either Glyno !! ;D ;D ;D
Derek
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Here are the two COMPLETELY DIFFERENT images, which, according to DEREK, look COMPLETELY DIFFERENT, and taken from COMPLETELY DIFFERENT angles.
(http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/MDLxnnrBPT0PZOg8gSTX1Q--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9aW5zZXQ7aD0yODk7cT04NTt3PTYzMA--/http://l.yimg.com/os/251/2012/10/29/Lindisfarne-by-David-Byrne-taken-in-Northumberland--England--Overall-Winner--jpg_112327.jpg)
(http://www.monolandscapes.talktalk.net/images/Lindisfarne-Final.jpg)
Chalk and cheese, Derek ;)
And your point is???????????????/ ::)
Derek
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Hmmm... sounds a little bit like plagiarism to me.
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In that case millions of people every year are guilty of plagiarism !!!!!!!!!!
Derek
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In that case millions of people every year are guilty of plagiarism !!!!!!!!!!
Derek
That may well be so, but we're not discussing millions of other people are we DEREK?
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My opinion is that the photographer has taken a really stunning picture. The subject matter is obviously not original or new found but he has applied his eye and his time to evolve the picture to a higher level. Many people take inspiration from there peers, Fashions change but they also come around again and taking inspiration from something you have seen is perfectly understandable. These upturned boats are very photogenic so why not use the same subject matter that another photographer has used. I expect the judging criteria did not have originality as a major factor. I would imagine with the amount of landscape photographers out there it must be particularly difficult to find an original new found picture.
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there's been a fair amount of controversy though, because that winning photo by David Byrne appears to be a complete rip-off of this one by Peter Clark:
My apologies Glyno.............. it was your use of the term "rip-off" that brought about my original comments.
"rip-off" to me suggested David Byrne copied the image from Peter Clark............. copied as in copy and pasted !
Derek :)
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My apologies Glyno.............. it was your use of the term "rip-off" that brought about my original comments.
"rip-off" to me suggested David Byrne copied the image from Peter Clark............. copied as in copy and pasted !
Derek :)
nooo... My choice of phrase (ie rip-off) probably wasn't the best. I can understand how someone might construe it as me implying the photo being a reprint of the original.
I was merely conveying concerns within certain photographic bodies that the photographer had won the competition with a photo in which he'd blatantly tried to recreate from another.
(not sure I've explained myself too well there)
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well, well, well... http://www.petapixel.com/2012/11/02/landscape-photographer-of-the-year-2012-stripped-of-title-for-too-much-shoppin/ (http://www.petapixel.com/2012/11/02/landscape-photographer-of-the-year-2012-stripped-of-title-for-too-much-shoppin/)
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"... unfortunately I didn’t read the regulations and certain editing like adding clouds ... are not allowed..."
"The changes I made were not major..."
Just add a few clouds, no big deal...
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I am rubbish with fuzzy felt as well ;D
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Oh the woes of the Digital age
http://www.timparkin.co.uk/2012/10/landscape-photographer-of-the-year-2/ (http://www.timparkin.co.uk/2012/10/landscape-photographer-of-the-year-2/)
Both sadly and correctly, David Byrne has been disqualified from the competition. We have no more information than what that means. He states
“I have to inform you after a conversation with Charlie Waite I have been disqualified from the Landscape Photographer of the year awards, unfortunately I didn’t read the regulations and certain editing like adding clouds and cloning out small details are not allowed, while I don’t think what I have done to the photo is wrong in any way, I do understand it’s against the regulations so accept the decision whole heartily. I have never passed off my photographs as record shots and the only reason this has come about has been due to my openness about how and what I do to my images. The changes I made were not major and if you go to the locations you will see everything is there as presented”
Now regardless of what we think about the level of manipulation admitted to I think we should let David Byrne be now – he made a mistake that was allowed to creep all the way through to the finals and he should not be persecuted for that. I left a message on the forum saying.
“Really sorry this has happened and I wanted to reiterate that the blog post I wrote about the competition was not intended to attack you personally but to try to point out that three out of the four images that were entered were not compatible with the terms and conditions. I do feel truly sorry that you had to suffer for this because all of this could have been avoided if the competition organisers could have checked things thoroughly.
I should add that your images are very strong and whilst I don’t think they are the best landscape photographs I have seen – they are certainly very good and this situation should not make you think differently.
Don’t forget that if the images had been compatible with the terms and conditions they would still have won, they can’t take that away from you.
My personal favourite is the Delamere forest – a very nice, original image.
I really hope this doesn’t stop your enjoyment of photography and I’m sure you’ll get lots of support from the forum here.”
The forum thread has, rightly or wrongly, been deleted.
We should applaud the organisers for making the right decision and also David for accepting it.
No related posts.
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This is exactly my point about "digital photography" ........... the amount of manipulation that can be done ........ the picture can be changed any amount up to 100%.
Yes, roll film can be manipulated to a certain degree but very very minor in comparison to digital !
You ever tried removing a lamp post from someones head in a roll film photo ............ easy peasy with digital !!
Derek
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a 'good' photographer won't get the lamp post there in the first place.
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a 'good' photographer won't get the lamp post there in the first place.
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Well I hope you remember that ! ;)
Anyway, I think others might have got the point even if you didn't ! :)
Derek
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Oooops this shouldn't have been posted......... i hit the wrong button !
derek
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good point!
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good point!
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