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Title: How hard is Snowdon?
Post by: alfredtehbutler on 21:58:15, 15/01/12
I've done some long distance walks before but never really done any hilly ones and was considering taking on Snowdon.
I never really do anything in half terms in school so it always seems like a waste of a week and I thought I'd change that this year, I'm thinking of going in February although I'm a bit worried about the weather, like I said I've never really climbed any mountains before so I have literally no clue how hard it would be, what the weather's like in February or how long it would take.

I was hoping seeing that this is the Wales section that some of you guys (or girls) might know what it's like.

Thanks in advance :)
Title: Re: How hard is Snowdon?
Post by: Requiem on 22:22:52, 15/01/12
Snowdons an absolute sweetheart for a first mountain as it has a couple of good, wide, well travelled paths. The downsides of it are its a bit high for some peoples comfort, its quite usually topped with cloud obscuring the stunning views and its sufficiently easy that the umprepared are caught out by its foibles
In winter, I've climbed it plenty of times. but even on the mildest days I've always taken extra food, my best waterproof, a little stove and provision for far worse weather than is forecast. One time in March I was snowbound and ended up kipping in the lee of Blofelds Eyrie in a bivvy bag.
Thanks for asking the question btw, the route discussions will prove to be both interesting and informatve when some of the other folks get going ;-)
Title: Re: How hard is Snowdon?
Post by: alanstarkie2001 on 22:37:30, 15/01/12
I'd love to see the view from up there! First time I went was 1970 I think!!!  :D
Title: Re: How hard is Snowdon?
Post by: alfredtehbutler on 22:52:34, 15/01/12
Snowdons an absolute sweetheart for a first mountain as it has a couple of good, wide, well travelled paths. The downsides of it are its a bit high for some peoples comfort, its quite usually topped with cloud obscuring the stunning views and its sufficiently easy that the umprepared are caught out by its foibles
In winter, I've climbed it plenty of times. but even on the mildest days I've always taken extra food, my best waterproof, a little stove and provision for far worse weather than is forecast. One time in March I was snowbound and ended up kipping in the lee of Blofelds Eyrie in a bivvy bag.
Thanks for asking the question btw, the route discussions will prove to be both interesting and informatve when some of the other folks get going ;-)

 What routes have you done and which would you recommend to a first-timer?
 
 Llanberis Path is apparently the easiest, shallowest but longest so I'm not entirely sure if that's the best option.
 
 Also, how long did it take you?
 
Title: Re: How hard is Snowdon?
Post by: iiswoz on 23:40:14, 15/01/12

 What routes have you done and which would you recommend to a first-timer?
 
 Llanberis Path is apparently the easiest, shallowest but longest so I'm not entirely sure if that's the best option.
 
 Also, how long did it take you?
hi alfredthebutler.
I'm new to mountain treks too but i've done snowden 3 times this year.
i found the LLanberis path on the boring side but it was very foggy.
2nd and 3rd hikes went up the PYG track and down the miners track. Much much more interesting walking.
i can make it up n down in 4hrs but i'm a pretty fast walker. Though i took nearer 6hrs today because of all the photographic opportunities in the clear conditions.






Title: Re: How hard is Snowdon?
Post by: alfredtehbutler on 23:50:03, 15/01/12
hi alfredthebutler.
I'm new to mountain treks too but i've done snowden 3 times this year.
i found the LLanberis path on the boring side but it was very foggy.
2nd and 3rd hikes went up the PYG track and down the miners track. Much much more interesting walking.
i can make it up n down in 4hrs but i'm a pretty fast walker. Though i took nearer 6hrs today because of all the photographic opportunities in the clear conditions.


Well I'm not too worried about it being boring to be honest, I'll be taking my iPod and a camera, the main reason I want to go up there is to get a small taste of what it would be like to climb Ben Nevis, but that's a different story :P
Title: Re: How hard is Snowdon?
Post by: Arenig on 00:53:40, 16/01/12
I've done some long distance walks before but never really done any hilly ones and was considering taking on Snowdon.
I never really do anything in half terms in school so it always seems like a waste of a week and I thought I'd change that this year, I'm thinking of going in February although I'm a bit worried about the weather, like I said I've never really climbed any mountains before so I have literally no clue how hard it would be, what the weather's like in February or how long it would take.

I was hoping seeing that this is the Wales section that some of you guys (or girls) might know what it's like.

Thanks in advance :)

Hi alfredtehbutler, Please don't take this post of mine the wrong way, but you have been quite vague with reference to your levels of ability, fitness, navigational skills, etc and I'm also curious as to what standard of clothing, boots and additional gear you are in the possession of. You mention that you have done some long distance walks but you have never done any quote “hilly ones” un quote.
 
I have to say that people like yourself worry me something awful when I hear that you intend to venture into the mountains, especially in February where you are still very much likely to encounter full on winter conditions.
 
The question you should be asking yourself here is, am I qualified to take on such a challenge (and you didn't mention whether you would have any company for this trip) not how hard is Snowdon?
 
I hope you receive many more posts on the thread, giving you a good insight into what exactly you might be letting yourself in for.
 
In the interest of safety, please don't take on the walk until you have all the answers to the questions listed above (and probably many more). I would hate to read about yet another death in North Wales.
 
 
Best of luck with it, Oh!  and welcome to the forum.
 
Robbo.
 
Title: Re: How hard is Snowdon?
Post by: iiswoz on 01:27:52, 16/01/12

Hi alfredtehbutler, Please don't take this post of mine the wrong way, but you have been quite vague with reference to your levels of ability, fitness, navigational skills, etc and I'm also curious as to what standard of clothing, boots and additional gear you are in the possession of. You mention that you have done some long distance walks but you have never done any quote “hilly ones” un quote.
 
I have to say that people like yourself worry me something awful when I hear that you intend to venture into the mountains, especially in February where you are still very much likely to encounter full on winter conditions.
 
The question you should be asking yourself here is, am I qualified to take on such a challenge (and you didn't mention whether you would have any company for this trip) not how hard is Snowdon?
 
I hope you receive many more posts on the thread, giving you a good insight into what exactly you might be letting yourself in for.
 
In the interest of safety, please don't take on the walk until you have all the answers to the questions listed above (and probably many more). I would hate to read about yet another death in North Wales.
 
 
Best of luck with it, Oh!  and welcome to the forum.
 
Robbo.
that really is something to concider. on my snowden accent yesterday i took  1 pair of decent boots, 1 decent base layer 2 fleeces, waterproof jacket n pants, good walking socks, torch, phone, 2ltr water, whistle, hat, gloves and more food than my dog and i could possibly eat in one day.
At the point where the PYG track meets the crib goch i met 2 americans asking if "this is the way to go" pointing up to the crib. i strongly advised them that they shouldn't go "up there" unless they had ropes (small lie but i felt it justified) these guys went equipped with jeans and trainers and well, nothing else.
EDIT
Map n compass too.

Title: Re: How hard is Snowdon?
Post by: gary m on 12:01:11, 16/01/12
i would go up the pyg track it can be a bit of a slog though, first time up snowdon, i would stay away from crib goch or the watkin path to be honest
Title: Re: How hard is Snowdon?
Post by: alfredtehbutler on 18:20:04, 16/01/12

Hi alfredtehbutler, Please don't take this post of mine the wrong way, but you have been quite vague with reference to your levels of ability, fitness, navigational skills, etc and I'm also curious as to what standard of clothing, boots and additional gear you are in the possession of. You mention that you have done some long distance walks but you have never done any quote “hilly ones” un quote.
 
I have to say that people like yourself worry me something awful when I hear that you intend to venture into the mountains, especially in February where you are still very much likely to encounter full on winter conditions.
 
The question you should be asking yourself here is, am I qualified to take on such a challenge (and you didn't mention whether you would have any company for this trip) not how hard is Snowdon?
 
I hope you receive many more posts on the thread, giving you a good insight into what exactly you might be letting yourself in for.
 
In the interest of safety, please don't take on the walk until you have all the answers to the questions listed above (and probably many more). I would hate to read about yet another death in North Wales.
 
 
Best of luck with it, Oh!  and welcome to the forum.
 
Robbo.

Well I'm competent with a map and compass but I figured because there's a lot of well-travelled paths up there I wouldn't really need one that much, although I'm starting to think differently.

I have combat trousers which have never failed me before, a normal sports thermal long sleeve top, a military fleece long sleeve thermal type thing, then I was going to wear a hoodie over that and I have a thick waterproof jacket to go on top.

I honestly didn't think it would be this much of a big deal, being the highest mountain in the UK outside of Scotland I imagined it would be fairly busy and didn't think I'd run into any problems.
Title: Re: How hard is Snowdon?
Post by: gary m on 18:55:33, 16/01/12
going up the pyg track will be busy and a path all the way, where will you be parking
Title: Re: How hard is Snowdon?
Post by: Achiles74 on 19:18:28, 16/01/12
As long as you have a decent pair of walking boots you should be ok.
I would also invest in a decent base layer/mid layer (To aid wicking of sweat). The clothes you have describe sound to me to be very high at retaining moisture (sweat etc). You may feel quite uncomfy once you get half way up the Pyg Track.
 
 
Title: Re: How hard is Snowdon?
Post by: joester on 19:34:32, 16/01/12

I have combat trousers which have never failed me before, a normal sports thermal long sleeve top, a military fleece long sleeve thermal type thing, then I was going to wear a hoodie over that and I have a thick waterproof jacket to go on top.


Take some waterproof overtrousers too.
Title: Re: How hard is Snowdon?
Post by: Ruthr on 20:10:40, 16/01/12
Depends entirely on the weather. In good weather a piece of cake if your used to walking, in bad weather I wouldn't fancy it myself. It's worth bearing in mind stories like these when thinking about tackling it:


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/5507828/Two-brothers-died-together-after-falling-660ft-from-Snowdon-inquest-hears.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/5507828/Two-brothers-died-together-after-falling-660ft-from-Snowdon-inquest-hears.html)
Title: Re: How hard is Snowdon?
Post by: poppiesrara on 20:10:59, 16/01/12
Pick the right day and it might not be too hard, but my main advice would be to study the Met Office mountain forecasts with devotion up until the morning of the day you go - and simply not go if there are any doubts at all, especially at this time of year.  Ice or snow underfoot on the upper slopes would make even the easy paths on Snowdon quite dangerous, any hill fog or much rain makes it miserable (and always take a map and compass - the prospect of the shame if someone has to rescue you for whatever reason and you haven't bothered to take a couple of ounces of basic kit should be enough to convince you!), and if you're inexperienced on the hills you might find anything over about 35mph on the tops uncomfortable.

It's no fun anyway if conditions are horrible, and you can't rely on seeing too many other people either if you pick the wrong day - we got three-quarters of the way up the PYG Track in horrendous weather last year and barely saw another soul even on a July Sunday afternoon.

Given all that, if you get and wear in some walking boots and you're reasonably fit (the rule of thumb I've heard, which doesn't seem too bad, is to be able to run a brisk non-stop two miles comfortably) and it's a good day, Snowdon isn't the hardest mountain to climb.  I think most people would send a first-timer up the PYG track (and perhaps back down the Miner's), which is pretty short - 3-4 hours up and down isn't unreasonable, very clear and has some fantastic rock and lake scenery.  You'll then feel like going back and trying something else!; it's a great mountain...

To reiterate though, don't even think about it in bad weather in winter... 
Title: Re: How hard is Snowdon?
Post by: alfredtehbutler on 20:17:10, 16/01/12
Depends entirely on the weather. In good weather a piece of cake if your used to walking, in bad weather I wouldn't fancy it myself. It's worth bearing in mind stories like these when thinking about tackling it:


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/5507828/Two-brothers-died-together-after-falling-660ft-from-Snowdon-inquest-hears.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/5507828/Two-brothers-died-together-after-falling-660ft-from-Snowdon-inquest-hears.html)

Oh my God, that's awful!
Maybe I'll think twice about going up there then.
Title: Re: How hard is Snowdon?
Post by: Ruthr on 20:21:43, 16/01/12
The met office do mountain forcasts which also include a condition report which will tell you what kit you would need:


http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/loutdoor/mountainsafety/snowdonia/snowdonia_latest_pressure.html (http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/loutdoor/mountainsafety/snowdonia/snowdonia_latest_pressure.html)


Ground conditions at the moment:


http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/loutdoor/mountainsafety/snowdonia/snowdonia_latest_pressure.html (http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/loutdoor/mountainsafety/snowdonia/snowdonia_latest_pressure.html)


It really does depend on the weather though. I did Snowdon on the last occasion in April with my 7 year old daughter (she was 6 at the time). 4 days prior to us going up there was a big dumping of snow and it was full on winter conditions and too tricky for us to tackle. The snow melted very fast and by the time we went up there it was all gone and we got sun burnt on the way up. It really does depend on the good old british weather. If you do head up in Feb be prepared to have other plans if the weather isn't on your side.
Title: Re: How hard is Snowdon?
Post by: alfredtehbutler on 21:32:38, 16/01/12
Pick the right day and it might not be too hard, but my main advice would be to study the Met Office mountain forecasts with devotion up until the morning of the day you go - and simply not go if there are any doubts at all, especially at this time of year.  Ice or snow underfoot on the upper slopes would make even the easy paths on Snowdon quite dangerous, any hill fog or much rain makes it miserable (and always take a map and compass - the prospect of the shame if someone has to rescue you for whatever reason and you haven't bothered to take a couple of ounces of basic kit should be enough to convince you!), and if you're inexperienced on the hills you might find anything over about 35mph on the tops uncomfortable.

It's no fun anyway if conditions are horrible, and you can't rely on seeing too many other people either if you pick the wrong day - we got three-quarters of the way up the PYG Track in horrendous weather last year and barely saw another soul even on a July Sunday afternoon.

Given all that, if you get and wear in some walking boots and you're reasonably fit (the rule of thumb I've heard, which doesn't seem too bad, is to be able to run a brisk non-stop two miles comfortably) and it's a good day, Snowdon isn't the hardest mountain to climb.  I think most people would send a first-timer up the PYG track (and perhaps back down the Miner's), which is pretty short - 3-4 hours up and down isn't unreasonable, very clear and has some fantastic rock and lake scenery.  You'll then feel like going back and trying something else!; it's a great mountain...

To reiterate though, don't even think about it in bad weather in winter...

Yeah I've had a change of heart about going up there in February :P
I think I'll go up at Easter instead maybe.
Title: Re: How hard is Snowdon?
Post by: redeye on 21:55:56, 16/01/12
I'd certainly wait till the longer & warmer days before attempting Snowdon for the first time. I, like quite a few on here have done it a few times in different conditions and it varies greatly. Long warm sunny days shouldn't present much of a problem as long as you have plenty of water. The weather can change without prior notice though. The main paths are quite straight forward to follow as long as it isn't too misty, raining and blowing a hoolie. Its a great place and a great challenge and very rewarding. Search the wales section and I'm sure you'll see Snowdon in all the elements that can be thrown at it.
A brief description on the routes is here http://www.mountainwalk.co.uk/walkingsnowdon.html
Title: Re: How hard is Snowdon?
Post by: Mayaculpa on 22:13:13, 16/01/12
Some good advice already been posted here
but be prepared for adverse conditions including
snow, and worse, ICE in February and March.

Snowdon 7th March 2010
(http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4069/4417334993_ebbf307d7b_b.jpg)


Title: Re: How hard is Snowdon?
Post by: alfredtehbutler on 23:09:51, 16/01/12
Some good advice already been posted here
but be prepared for adverse conditions including
snow, and worse, ICE in February and March.

Snowdon 7th March 2010
(http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4069/4417334993_ebbf307d7b_b.jpg)

I honestly didn't believe that was Wales for a while! If you hadn't said that was Showdown I'd have thought it was taken in the Alps! :P

I can't wait to go up ther to see that first hand, although hopefully with a bit less snow, what month does it normally start getting less icy and snowy up there?
Title: Re: How hard is Snowdon?
Post by: Mayaculpa on 10:32:55, 17/01/12
It can snow any time from october to April staying around longer in the colder months,  hanging on in gullies for a month or so.

Some years are better than others, and the last two or three have been very good.

This year's been warm. It's only snowed once and that has now all gone. I don't expect much more this year. but there is a chance. ::)

Of course, when the snow is down,  weather  conditions are more often like the picture below. Biting cold, windy, flurries of snow and spindrift, with low grey cloud meeting the snow, sometimes you can hardly tell where snow ends and sky begins.

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7030/6713669095_302dfd2688_b.jpg)



Title: Re: How hard is Snowdon?
Post by: llandudnoboy on 20:02:17, 09/12/12
Choose good weather and apart from the Watkin Path and upper reaches of the Rhydd Ddu path no path up Snowdon is difficult, but you must remember the mountain is 3560ft above sealevel and the weather can be very changeable even in summer.

Use a bit of sense and remember if the weather turns nasty do not continue on as if on a personal mission.
Title: Re: How hard is Snowdon?
Post by: stutakesphotots on 19:43:45, 08/01/13
Hi all. Newbie to the forums here.


I did Ben Nevis last year.  How does Snowdon compare?  I did ok getting to the top of Ben Nevis and am probably slightly fitter now.  However, I did not enjoy descending at all.  Must admit to being tempted to catching the train back down from Snowdon
Title: Re: How hard is Snowdon?
Post by: Jellybelly on 20:36:03, 08/01/13
about the same really the pony track on the Ben is the same as the main tracks on Snowdon  I have done Ben in just over 5 hours up and down but that was in a rush to do the 3 peaks and in good weather. The miners Llanberis and Pyg tracks are very simlar in style.If your knees hurt then i suggest


Take your time and enjoy the day and views and invest in good walking poles
Title: Re: How hard is Snowdon?
Post by: cribgoch on 21:45:38, 08/01/13
I've got an outdoor shop in Llanberis. If you are up in February I'll be glad to take you up if you want some company and to show you how great mountains are..
Title: Re: How hard is Snowdon?
Post by: Wurz on 18:11:09, 09/01/13
Snowdon is a great day out and not particularly difficult in good weather but if it's got snow and ice on it once you step over Bwlch Glas at the top of the zig zags if coming up the Pyg or Miners it can be like entering the arctic.  Also the "easy" Llanberis path which roughly follows the railway has a notorious accident black spot between Clogwyn Station and Bwlch Glas.  A slip and failure to arrest with an axe often results in fatalities.  So by all means have a go but be aware that it can be a very serious place.
Title: Re: How hard is Snowdon?
Post by: yateys on 11:37:47, 02/02/13
Hello,


Firstly don't let the time of year decide whether you go up the mountain or not let the weather forecast decide.  I've walked up many many hills over Christmas before and had beautiful days(alright - they are a lot shorter) and had horrible days in Summer.


That said, I've never done Snowdon before and if you don't mind I'd like to ask a question while so many experts are here - I'm going up Snowdon May BH, I've looked at the road to Llandberis from Nant Peris on Google Streetview and its packed - cars parked everywhere.  Was this a one off or is Snowdon always rammed packed on BH?


Cheers in advance
Title: Re: How hard is Snowdon?
Post by: llandudnoboy on 16:23:19, 02/02/13
Once the Snowdon Mountain Railway reopens at around Easter time depending on the weather, the crowds start turning up when the tourist season begins.

May to late September can be incredibly busy, and because Snowdon is the tallest mountain south of Scotland everyone wants to walk or get up it some how.

Unless you want to pay £25 for a spin on the train, choose September to climb Snowdon because by then most of the crowds have gone.

If the weather is fine the Bank Holidays in Llanberis are murder, nowhere to park and Snowdon so busy that its almost shoulder to shoulder on the summit.

For someone who has never been up Snowdon avoid the main tourist season and come later in the year, you will appreciate the mountain far more.
Title: Re: How hard is Snowdon?
Post by: yateys on 18:34:22, 02/02/13
Cheers Llandundboy,


Unfortunately there's 9 of us coming so its murder getting everyone the same time off work so the BH will have to do.  My plan is to stay at the campsite with showers in Nant Peris. Arriving Saturday afternoon, Sunday morning up Elider Fawr and follow the tops to Capel Cruig, bus back.  Monday Walk to Llanberis and up Snowdon back to Campsite for tea and drive home the Tuesday.


One of those things - everybody wants to bag Snowdon, everyone wants to have the place to themselves - like Alton Towers :-)
Title: Re: How hard is Snowdon?
Post by: mountainwheelchair on 15:13:12, 01/03/18
Appreciate this is an old topic, but just wanted to share my thoughts.


The Llanberis Path is easy! I often take students up there who's only experience of walking is getting from their X-Box to the fridge.


As everybody else has said though, don't under estimate the weather and be prepared for the worst.
Title: Re: How hard is Snowdon?
Post by: Dyffryn Ardudwy on 12:08:37, 04/03/18
On a calm Spring or Summer afternoon, there is nothing challenging about climbing Snowdon.
The only route that poses any challenge is the Snowdon Horseshoe, but every path to the summit is manageable for a fit active person.

The Southern flanks of the mountain are the easiest, but even the very popular PYG and Miners paths are straight forward in good visibility.

In fine weather from April to October, climbing Snowdon is within the capabilities of just about any active outdoors person.


Due to its location, the mountain receives some very hostile weather, and its very exposed above the 3000ft contour, but in good favourable conditions, is within the capabilities of just about any fit active person.
Title: Re: How hard is Snowdon?
Post by: mananddog on 13:32:23, 04/03/18

Please NEVER, NEVER, NEVER follow the railway down in winter conditions. Someone was killed doing this last week. The snow banks out the track above Clogwyn Coch leaving hard icy snow, one slip here and you will not stop for 500 feet.


A few days after the person was killed I was up there on a superb sunny cold day and two guys had got into trouble in the same place. One made it back up to the footpath the other was on his hands and knees trying to get up to it, he kept slipping. I had crampons and an ice axe but was too far from him to help and had to watch as he inched his way up - fortunately he made it. Later on a couple had to be rescued by the MRT from the same place after they tried descending in the dark and thought it would be easier to follow the railway. Please let all know - stay off the railway in winter conditions.
Title: Re: How hard is Snowdon?
Post by: Dyffryn Ardudwy on 13:44:57, 04/03/18
Any mountain in freezing conditions poses a real challenge, especially one 3560ft high.
In the Spring and Summer, Snowdon is usually a good day out in the hills, but if the weather is changeable, it can still be a challenge, due to the ferocity of the prevailing winds and driving rain it receives being so close to the Irish Sea.

Its always best to go fully prepared, and consult the various weather reports for Snowdonia, as their rarely inaccurate, giving a walker a good indication of what conditions are like on the summits.

Snowdon is like any mountain,  go fully kitted out for the kind of terrain you expect, and pay close inspection to the weather reports.

Ive climbed Snowdon many times, in all weather conditions, just use a bit of common sense, do not take unnecessary risks, and keep to the chosen route, and if the weather turns nasty, never be afraid to turn around.
Title: Re: How hard is Snowdon?
Post by: sussamb on 19:31:44, 04/03/18
Please NEVER, NEVER, NEVER follow the railway down in winter conditions. Someone was killed doing this last week.


... Please let all know - stay off the railway in winter conditions.


 O0 O0 O0
Title: Re: How hard is Snowdon?
Post by: alan de enfield on 19:55:57, 04/03/18

Please NEVER, NEVER, NEVER follow the railway down in winter conditions. Someone was killed doing this last week. The snow banks out the track above Clogwyn Coch leaving hard icy snow, one slip here and you will not stop for 500 feet.


A few days after the person was killed I was up there on a superb sunny cold day and two guys had got into trouble in the same place. One made it back up to the footpath the other was on his hands and knees trying to get up to it, he kept slipping. I had crampons and an ice axe but was too far from him to help and had to watch as he inched his way up - fortunately he made it. Later on a couple had to be rescued by the MRT from the same place after they tried descending in the dark and thought it would be easier to follow the railway. Please let all know - stay off the railway in winter conditions.


Back in the mid 70's a few of us (experienced 'hill' walkers) decided to 'do' Snowdon in February, it was absolutely freezing and the rock was covered with ice, we decided to cancel about half way up, return and live to walk another day.
That afternoon a school party decided to descend using the railway, it was just an ice sheet, several slipped and were killed.


Snowdon is a pussy-cat and a tiger, the weather conditions are the determining factor. Go well equipped and with an experienced  friend (or two).
One to be injured, one to stay with the victim and one to go / call for help.
Title: Re: How hard is Snowdon?
Post by: phil1960 on 20:10:58, 04/03/18
Snowden? Sorry to be pedantic but it’s Snowdon  :)
Title: Re: How hard is Snowdon?
Post by: alan de enfield on 20:14:06, 04/03/18

Snowden? Sorry to be pedantic but it’s Snowdon  :)


Quite right - accuracy is paramount - I'll edit it.


(I blame spellchucker)
Title: Re: How hard is Snowdon?
Post by: mananddog on 07:30:09, 05/03/18
I remember that school party well. Our club hut is on the way down and someone from that party came to ask for help. The blokes there turned out but there was not much they could do.
Title: Re: How hard is Snowdon?
Post by: alan de enfield on 08:26:41, 05/03/18

I remember that school party well. Our club hut is on the way down and someone from that party came to ask for help. The blokes there turned out but there was not much they could do.


I was trying to work out when it was - would '73 be about right ?
Title: Re: How hard is Snowdon?
Post by: Tin on 08:49:33, 05/03/18

I was trying to work out when it was - would '73 be about right ?


Feb 22nd 1972, link below;


https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/on-this-day-the-times-february-22-1972-wqn206hz355

 
Title: Re: How hard is Snowdon?
Post by: alan de enfield on 08:59:20, 05/03/18




Feb 22nd 1972, link below;


https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/on-this-day-the-times-february-22-1972-wqn206hz355 (https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/on-this-day-the-times-february-22-1972-wqn206hz355)




Thanks - that's the one.


It can happen to even the most experienced if they do not have the equipment to suit the conditions,

Title: Re: How hard is Snowdon?
Post by: dank86 on 22:35:47, 17/04/18
I was up Snowdon on the 9th April and there was still snow about up there, we had the best day of the week for it though. Went up the rangers path and down ryhd du, the southern paths are so underrated in my opinion and while the pyg track will be like a motorway in high season the southern side tends to be quieter and offers a different perspective on this lovely mountain
Title: Re: How hard is Snowdon?
Post by: c.bede on 10:45:38, 18/04/18
Definitely a shout out for the very pretty and underrated Ranger path.  Ryhd Ddu has some more exposed ground (which is great fun on a good day by the way), but the Ranger is pleasant and quiet with only the steep section around Clogwyn Du'r Arddu, well away from the crowds until you join the railway path near the top.  Using the light railway to journey between the two paths adds to the day out too.  Park at Ranger, train to Ryhd Ddu and up that path, down the Ranger to the car.
Title: Re: How hard is Snowdon?
Post by: Dyffryn Ardudwy on 12:03:43, 18/04/18
In fine settled weather, the mountain is straight forward, especially its southern slopes in and around the Nantlle Valley.
Just remember, the mountain is 3560ft above sea level, and due to its close proximity to the Irish Sea, attracts high winds and lots of mist and low cloud.
Ive even encountered some snow showers in early June, so if the weather's right, it can receive just about any kind of weather, whatever the time of year.
Its a high mountain, that offers little or no protection until the summit cafe is reached, so it deserves respect.
Research your chosen route carefully, and go fully prepared, apart from that, its an easy mountain to ascend in fine weather.
Title: Re: How hard is Snowdon?
Post by: Skip on 19:37:28, 18/04/18
... fine settled weather, the mountain is straight forward... the mountain is 3560ft above sea level... its close proximity to the Irish Sea, attracts high winds and lots of mist and low cloud.... it can receive just about any kind of weather, whatever the time of year....
Its a high mountain .... it deserves respect ...go fully prepared .... its an easy mountain to ascend in fine weather.

Sheesh! You've said all that already.
Title: Re: How hard is Snowdon?
Post by: Dyffryn Ardudwy on 22:24:53, 19/04/18
Climbed it this afternoon, 19/04/18 on what turned out to be the warmest April day on record, or at least since 1939, but not here in Snowdonia.
Arrived in Llanberis at around 11am, and blimey the weather was looking unpredictable, with the top of Elidir Fawr clothed in heavy swirling mist, and by the looks of the prevailing wind, it was pretty gusty above 2800ft.

Used the llanberis path, and there were heavy clouds, and mist that was down to Clogwyn station, and a brisk wind.

The clouds were dark with possible rain, but none was forecast, so i decided LET"S GO FOR IT.

The Railway was in operation, but i soon discovered they were not going as far as the summit, just as far as Clogwyn.


Knowing this i decided to use the main railway line, which is a fair bit quicker than the dreaded slopes of upper Clogwyn.

Small pockets of snow, not amounting to much, enough to fill a skip or two, were thawing rapidly,  and like my previous visit some months ago, the direct railway ascent is a fair bit quicker, and possibly safer as well,  as long as one is fully confident no railway engines or carriages are using the upper line.

Being mid week, traffic on the mountain was very lite, and temperature was 8C at the summit.


Cafe still closed, for a May opening,  and lo and behold, by around 2pm, the weather had cleared beautifully, instead of a chilly wind, in the sunshine it was tee shirt weather.


With a bit of experience and knowledge of the mountain, an ascent of Snowdon, does not have to be a challenge, and in all, i was up and down in 3hrs 38mins.
Title: Re: How hard is Snowdon?
Post by: Surfer99 on 12:31:08, 20/04/18
Planning on to Snowdon first week in May with my 10yr old daughter,  had thought of accent via the miners and decent via the pyg unless anyone has any other route suggestions.
Title: Re: How hard is Snowdon?
Post by: RogerA on 16:17:33, 20/04/18
Planning on to Snowdon first week in May with my 10yr old daughter,  had thought of accent via the miners and decent via the pyg unless anyone has any other route suggestions.

As a suggestion up Pyg and down miners might be better - miners on the way up has a fairly steep scramble on the last section that I find easier to come down.
Title: Re: How hard is Snowdon?
Post by: Dyffryn Ardudwy on 18:36:30, 20/04/18
My suggestion, is to stick to the southern half of the mountain.
Not that the PYG and Miners paths are more of a challenge, but if the weather is far from ideal, as it usually is, then climbing the mountain via the Snowdon Ranger path will almost guarantee success.
For someone taking up a young companion, full of excitement in climbing Snowdon for the first time, ascending the Snowdon Ranger path, is by far the easier option.

Its the oldest route up the mountain, and alongside the Rhydd Ddu path, a few miles up the road, its the most gentle side of this magnificent mountain.

I am sure others will have their own views, but there is nothing technical about the Snowdon Ranger path, and its a glorified path, with a very gentle incline up the mountain, and very easy to follow.

In poor visibility, you need a path that is never in doubt, and if the mist is down and its raining, then navigating the mountain is far easier on its southern flanks than its northern side.

You also have the bonus of not being ripped off with extortionate parking charges.

Its £10 to park in Pen Y Pass, if your lucky to find a place to park, and there are numerous places near Bettws Garmon, where you can park safely for nothing.


You could easily park at Rhydd Ddu, and use the Rhydd DDu path, and decend via the Snowdon Ranger, the distance between both paths is less than two miles distant, and the parking charges are far less severe.

A tenner would go along way for some nosh in Petes Easts in llanberis,  and i am sure your daughter would not care one bit, as long as she reached the summit.


Good luck, and fingers crossed for good weather.
Title: Re: How hard is Snowdon?
Post by: Surfer99 on 18:49:55, 20/04/18
As a suggestion up Pyg and down miners might be better - miners on the way up has a fairly steep scramble on the last section that I find easier to come down.


Yes Roger, your correct I had them the wrong way round  O0

My suggestion, is to stick to the southern half of the mountain.
Not that the PYG and Miners paths are more of a challenge, but if the weather is far from ideal, as it usually is, then climbing the mountain via the Snowdon Ranger path will almost guarantee success.
For someone taking up a young companion, full of excitement in climbing Snowdon for the first time, ascending the Snowdon Ranger path, is by far the easier option.

Its the oldest route up the mountain, and alongside the Rhydd Ddu path, a few miles up the road, its the most gentle side of this magnificent mountain.

I am sure others will have their own views, but there is nothing technical about the Snowdon Ranger path, and its a glorified path, with a very gentle incline up the mountain, and very easy to follow.

In poor visibility, you need a path that is never in doubt, and if the mist is down and its raining, then navigating the mountain is far easier on its southern flanks than its northern side.

You also have the bonus of not being ripped off with extortionate parking charges.

Its £10 to park in Pen Y Pass, if your lucky to find a place to park, and there are numerous places near Bettws Garmon, where you can park safely for nothing.


You could easily park at Rhydd Ddu, and use the Rhydd DDu path, and decend via the Snowdon Ranger, the distance between both paths is less than two miles distant, and the parking charges are far less severe.

A tenner would go along way for some nosh in Petes Easts in llanberis,  and i am sure your daughter would not care one bit, as long as she reached the summit.


Good luck, and fingers crossed for good weather.

Thanks, will take a look at those options and you’re correct, she is quite excited and really looking forward to it. We’ll be going mid week so hopefully it won’t be as busy the the weekends
Title: Re: How hard is Snowdon?
Post by: Dyffryn Ardudwy on 21:15:13, 20/04/18
When you know exactly the date of your intended visit to Snowdonia, check the National Park weather forecast, to have an indication of what the wind speed and cloud situation is on the main summits.
If it was not for the ridiculous parking fee of £10 at Pen Y Pass, then i would certainly not discount the Miners or PyG tracks up the mountain, but they are far more rugged in nature, and can be quite slippery in wet weather.
Another disadvantage with Pen Y Pass, is that the carpark fills up extremely quickly, and very early, and ive seen it full up by as early as 7.30am in the morning in high season.

Not knowing what part of the country you are coming from, you want a virtual guarantee of a safe and secure parking place for your vehicle.

This is where the Southern parts of the mountain has its great advantage, because parking facilities are far more numerous, and what's worse than arriving after a lengthy journey to find you simply cannot park anywhere.

You can of course walk up the mountain from the Llanberis side, but this is the longest route, being ten miles up and down and possibly the most tiring for your young daughter.

If the weather proves settled and fine, i would suggest either the Rhydd Ddu path, or Snowdon Ranger, simply because they offer the easiest ascent of this high mountain,  and their by far the safest in poor weather.

Try explaining to your daughter that due to the inclement weather, an ascent of the mountain is out of the question.

For personal safety in adverse weather conditions, i would alway's suggest the Snowdon Ranger route, as virtually the entire path is fairly sheltered, until your with twenty minutes of the top of the mountain.

Good luck and hope all goes to plan.
Title: Re: How hard is Snowdon?
Post by: dank86 on 11:45:20, 23/04/18
I'd also recommend the ranger path for your first try. It's a nice route even as an out and back, I did it the opposite way to a lot of people but found it worked better for the new person I took up, he said when we came down rhydd du that if we had gone up that way he'd likely of backed out at the ridge. I was parked at rhydd du and walked to rangers path, so we decended straight to the car and all the treats I had stored in there lol, fizzy drinks and chocolate is good incentive to get over the ridge 😊
Title: Re: How hard is Snowdon?
Post by: Dyffryn Ardudwy on 13:10:23, 23/04/18
Thank you for the vote of confidence, the Rhydd Ddu and Snowdon Ranger paths, are still pretty quiet compared to the llanberis,  Pyg and Miners paths, which is a real shame.
I suppose their a little more difficult to locate for a visiting walker, visiting Snowdonia all intent on climbing Snowdon for the first time, but their certainly an easier alternative than most of the routes up the mountain.
Was it not for the hefty parking charges at Pen Y Pass, then i would not discount using those routes up the mountain, but in mist and rain they can be very confusing.
Fine for fit and experienced walkers, but far from ideal for a first time visitor with excited daughter in tow.

Study the Snowdon Ranger and Rhydd Ddu routes, and make your mind up, they offer a more gentle side to the mountain, and which ever route you eventually take, its still the same mountain your climbing.

You can make the going hard, or easy.

I know which i would prefer in poor visibility and weather far from ideal.
Title: Re: How hard is Snowdon?
Post by: Surfer99 on 19:03:52, 23/04/18
Thanks again, we’re around 2hrs drive from Snowdon and will indeed be checking the mountain forcast before setting off. Will also take a look a the other routes suggested above  O0
Title: Re: How hard is Snowdon?
Post by: Surfer99 on 13:07:13, 24/04/18
Ok so I’ve studied the three routes;


The ranger is a steady accent over the distance. Followed by the Rhydu Ddu the theres the miners is is the short sharp accent although I do like the idea of the circular route rather up and down the same path.

Thursday next week is the planned day.

Been a long time since I was there, travel time is the same for all three routes. looking at the satellite image parking for the miners/pyg route doesn’t seem a lot, mid week would you expect to get a place there say 8:00 / 8:30?


Doesn’t look like much parking at Rhydu either, unless I’m missing it? So the ranger seems a safe bet at the moment.

Title: Re: How hard is Snowdon?
Post by: dank86 on 13:14:20, 24/04/18
Surfer the parking is at rhydd du train station it can hold a fair few cars, probably more than pyp and a lot cheaper too (machine was out of order recently so free) going up rhydd will probably involve using hands on some early sections, ranger as you said is a gradual accent the zig zags get a bit steep but nothing to bad
Title: Re: How hard is Snowdon?
Post by: ninthace on 13:57:39, 24/04/18
Here's one I prepared earlier,  either way is good.

https://www.gpsies.com/map.do?fileId=qifrgcevglfvqtdm  or https://osmaps.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/route/1914733/Snowdon
Title: Re: How hard is Snowdon?
Post by: dank86 on 14:34:14, 24/04/18
One thing I will add, can't remember if I said it or not but the bath between rangers and rhyd is pretty boggy in places and no real defined path, there are markers with arrows but its pretty easy to miss a marker (we missed a few but made our own way through)
Title: Re: How hard is Snowdon?
Post by: rural roamer on 19:34:17, 25/04/18
We’ve just booked a farm cottage just outside Beddgelert for 6 nights from 5th May.  Planning on walking up Snowdon as part of our idea to do the National 3 peaks this year.  We have more or less decided to walk up the Rhyd ddu path and down Snowdon Ranger, especially after reading this thread. I prefer steeper going up and don’t mind an easy scramble, would rather the gentler path for coming down.  Hopefully we will have enough days to pick a decent weather day, but as bad weather usually follows us around when we do a LDP I’m not so sure!


Not done a great deal of walking this year so far, longest being about 8 miles, although we did at least do some short hill walks when in France recently. So if anyone can recommend some walks before we tackle Snowdon that would be great.

Title: Re: How hard is Snowdon?
Post by: Dyffryn Ardudwy on 10:05:02, 26/04/18
Its does not get any gentler than the Snowdon Ranger for your return route.
The path is very gentle for the first half mile or two, totally unlike any other path on Snowdon and then a little steep in places, but still very easy walking, and then the rest is on grass back to the Youth Hostel.
Ive never walked up the Rhydd DDu and come down the Ranger path, but both paths are less than five miles from Beddgeleret, with the Rhydd Ddu being only three miles from Beddgelert itself.

All the best.
Title: Re: How hard is Snowdon?
Post by: dank86 on 11:48:32, 26/04/18
There is a route out of beddgelert that meets up with ryhd ddu or if you want it can meet up with the Watkins path
Title: Re: How hard is Snowdon?
Post by: fernman on 12:41:22, 26/04/18
There is a route out of beddgelert that meets up with ryhd ddu or if you want it can meet up with the Watkins path
Really? What way does that go then? I'm not aware of a route from close to Beddgelert. The only way I've done it was heading east of north from Perthi at the back of the village, and it was completely pathless till I got to Bwlch Cwm Llan.
Title: Re: How hard is Snowdon?
Post by: dank86 on 12:54:59, 26/04/18
I've got some screen shots but they are to big to upload...


North East out of beddgelert along the A498 there is Craflwyn Hall on the OS maps there is a circular path but it has a route off towards some disused tips and mine, keep following that path and it splits in 2, the path on the right goes up to the Watkins path and the left goes over to rhyd ddu, heading towards rhyd ddu on can swing a right and go up clogwyn ddu
Title: Re: How hard is Snowdon?
Post by: dank86 on 16:16:45, 26/04/18
https://ibb.co/bSMNEH


Hopefully that links to one of the screen shots that shows the meet up with Watkins path
Title: Re: How hard is Snowdon?
Post by: Surfer99 on 19:00:55, 26/04/18
What’s the path like along the top of  llechog on the Rhydd Ddu path ?

Title: Re: How hard is Snowdon?
Post by: dank86 on 19:04:53, 26/04/18
It's pretty good Surfer99 there's cairns to help guide you up to llechog, the path then is pretty good
Title: Re: How hard is Snowdon?
Post by: fernman on 19:56:36, 26/04/18
North East out of beddgelert along the A498 there is Craflwyn Hall on the OS maps there is a circular path but it has a route off towards some disused tips and mine, keep following that path and it splits in 2, the path on the right goes up to the Watkins path and the left goes over to rhyd ddu, heading towards rhyd ddu on can swing a right and go up clogwyn ddu

Thanks, I know the Craflwyn path, I've walked it from the Watkin Path, but I didn't know you could get to the Rhyd Ddu Path from it. Most of the NT paths there aren't marked on the OS map, which isn't very helpful.

There are loos outside the Hall, very handy, and also a car park though I don't know what would happen if you left your car there all day. But there's a nice long free layby a bit further down the road towards Beddgelert, it's next to the entrance to Cae Du camp site.
Title: Re: How hard is Snowdon?
Post by: dank86 on 20:21:16, 26/04/18
Fernman if you look at it on the map near Cwm llan there's a path off to the left that'll take you up to bwlch Cwm llan
Title: Re: How hard is Snowdon?
Post by: fernman on 21:50:45, 26/04/18
I know that path too. All is clear now. So you've gone from Craflwyn to the Watkin Path and up that a little bit before branching off on another route that takes you to the Rhyd Ddu Path, when I thought you meant there was a direct path from or near Beddgelert to the Rhyd Ddu Path.
The way I went, northwards from Perthi to the bwlch, was copied from Steve Ashton's 'Ridges of Snowdonia' (2nd edition). It was a much shorter distance but far tougher due to it being totally pathless. It's an interesting way to go for someone who wants to try something different, but I wouldn't really recommend it.
Title: Re: How hard is Snowdon?
Post by: dank86 on 22:00:29, 26/04/18
Yea I guess so fernman, Watkins isn't listed on that part of the path on my maps only further up.
Looks like a good route for next time I'm up that way though, Tryfan needs to be ticked off soon to
Title: Re: How hard is Snowdon?
Post by: rural roamer on 22:49:28, 26/04/18
We are staying at Perthi Farm
Title: Re: How hard is Snowdon?
Post by: dank86 on 22:55:59, 26/04/18
Rural roamer I'd drive up to rhyd ddu and go from there, only just up the road from you
Title: Re: How hard is Snowdon?
Post by: rural roamer on 23:00:15, 26/04/18
Yes thats what we're planning to do
Title: Re: How hard is Snowdon?
Post by: dank86 on 23:04:19, 26/04/18
Happy days, let us know how you get on 👍
Title: Re: How hard is Snowdon?
Post by: fernman on 09:05:31, 27/04/18
We are staying at Perthi Farm

It's a lovely spot, very isolated yet not far from the village, and the bulk of Moel Hebog fills the view.
Hope you've got a 4WD!

Edited to add photo, view SW from Perthi.
Title: Re: How hard is Snowdon?
Post by: rural roamer on 09:55:09, 27/04/18
Oh dear no we haven’t! I could be in truoble with the hubby then!  ;D
Title: Re: How hard is Snowdon?
Post by: fernman on 10:35:06, 27/04/18
You'll be alright! There's a long stony track up from the main road, before it becomes the two strips of concrete you see in the picture. I've done ten times worse in little 1 cc hire cars on Greek islands! Just watch out for the farmer hurtling towards you round a bend in his big pickup  ;D
Title: Re: How hard is Snowdon?
Post by: rural roamer on 11:28:34, 27/04/18
I did get the impression when we enquired it wasn’t too bad to drive down.


Would Moel Hebog be a good walk before tackling Snowdon? We don’t know the area at all and not really done any hills since September.


Any good food pub suggestions in and around Beddgelert?
Title: Re: How hard is Snowdon?
Post by: phil1960 on 13:30:10, 27/04/18
I did get the impression when we enquired it wasn’t too bad to drive down.


Would Moel Hebog be a good walk before tackling Snowdon? We don’t know the area at all and not really done any hills since September.


Any good food pub suggestions in and around Beddgelert?
We have stayed in Beddgelert half a dozen times now, Moel Hebog and it’s satellites are a cracking walk so do that and enjoy. As for pubs, the Tanronnen does a good meal as does the Saracen, have fun  O0
Title: Re: How hard is Snowdon?
Post by: fernman on 14:32:37, 27/04/18
I've only walked it, but of course it's OK to drive down, or up. Didn't see any ruts or potholes.

Last year, after checking TripAdvisor reviews of all the eateries in Beddgelert last year, I settled on the Saracens Head which I found to be good.
Title: Re: How hard is Snowdon?
Post by: Dyffryn Ardudwy on 20:39:02, 01/05/18
Its still a dangerous mountain, as i discovered this afternoon.
My friend who is half my age, and currently studying hard in Sandhurst, was home this week, and he talked me into going up Snowdon.
I had suggested Carnedd Llewellyn, as the mountains were clear, and apart from the chilly conditions, it was good walking weather,  SO I THOUGHT.

My suggestion was an ascent of the Rhydd Ddu miners path from llanberis, the path below the Moel Elio route, and then an ascent of Snowdon via the Snowdon Ranger.

The mountains western flanks were fairly sheltered, a bit windy but nothing compared to what awaited us at the marker stones at the PyG and Miners path junction.

He continued on to the summit, whilst i decided it was simply not worth the risk,

We have all heard about the majestic views from the top of Snowdon, well they were incredible this afternoon, amongst the best ive ever seen, in every direction, you could see an incredible distance, with almost the entire coastline of Wales mapped out in front of us.

I only wished i had been able to stand with a pair of binoculars, but the severity of the wind really scared me, by far the strongest ive ever experienced in the many years of climbing Snowdon, and with my knowledge and experience of the mountain,  i knew it was no place to linger.

It was the sensible decision, as just approaching Clogwyn station, the rain arrived, and i knew i could get down to safer ground far quicker from there, than higher up the mountain.

To prove how strong the wind was, i was blown over just opposite the new station halt opposite Llechog,  thankfully onto grass, but it still surprised me, as the gust of wind came with no warning,

Its been many a year that due to challenging conditions, ive failed to reach the summit, so long in fact, i cannot remember how many years ago it was, but certainly back in the 1980s.

Yes Snowdon is an easy mountain in favourable conditions, but it certainly bared its teeth this afternoon, and the National Parks weather forecast had not predicted such high winds.
Title: Re: How hard is Snowdon?
Post by: redeye on 20:53:11, 01/05/18
Its still a dangerous mountain, as i discovered this afternoon.

He continued on to the summit, whilst i decided it was simply not worth the risk,

We have all heard about the majestic views from the top of Snowdon, well they were incredible this afternoon, amongst the best ive ever seen, in every direction, you could see an incredible distance, with almost the entire coastline of Wales mapped out in front of us.

I only wished i had been able to stand with a pair of binoculars, but the severity of the wind really scared me, and with my knowledge and experience of the mountain,  i knew it was no place to linger.




To prove how strong the wind was, i was blown over just opposite the new station halt opposite Llechog,  thankfully onto grass, but it still surprised me.

Its been many a year that due to challenging conditions, i failed to reach the summit.

Yes Snowdon is an easy mountain in favourable conditions, but it certainly bared its teeth this afternoon, and the National Parks weather forecast had not predicted such high winds.
So did you or didn't you go to the summit??
Title: Re: How hard is Snowdon?
Post by: Dyffryn Ardudwy on 21:18:27, 01/05/18
No, i turned to my left in the direction of the Llanberis path, and followed the railway line down to the safety of Clogwyn..
The Snowdon Ranger path meets the junction of the Miners and Pyg track, less than ten minutes from the summit, but memories of a particularly windy Pen Y fan came flooding back.
The wind was so strong at times, that you were almost being blown backwards, and the buffeting of the wind made it very difficult to stand, and being so high on the mountain, i knew conditions dictated a hasty retreat.

At the time it was still dry, with vistas in all directions so clear, that i doubt i will see better in years to come, but no, i decided to miss the summit on this occasion, as the mountain will still be there next week.

I am sure some less experienced walkers would have risked the last few minutes to the summit,  just to say they reached the top,   but i know when its wise to make a detour to safety.


Snowdon has been there millions of years,  and now i know why the mountain claims so many casualties.


I could see the danger before me, a lot of walkers new to the mountain may have soldiered on, being so close to the summit.


It only takes one moment to lose ones bearings or coordination on such a high mountain, in such adverse conditions, that its no wonder it claims several victims annually.
Title: Re: How hard is Snowdon?
Post by: Surfer99 on 09:30:10, 02/05/18
That’s a shame you had to abandon but better to be safe  O0


Our trip is planned for Friday, mountain forecast is saying dry, 8/9deg, 30kmh winds.


Based on the above post we may need to postpone which would be a shame as this the last mid week none school holiday day off.
Title: Re: How hard is Snowdon?
Post by: pdstsp on 13:32:43, 02/05/18
20/30kph winds are not particularly strong - you will be fine to walk.  Have fun.
Title: Re: How hard is Snowdon?
Post by: Dyffryn Ardudwy on 19:19:40, 02/05/18
I recon the windspeed yesterday  was in excess of 40mph, possibly a lot higher.
I was bent double once i left the relative safety of the Snowdon Ranger, and i thought it wise to get off the mountain sharpish.

This afternoon travelling to Chester from Dyffryn, the clarity of the mountains was unnerving, obviously last nights heavy rain had cleaned the atmosphere.

I parked a few minutes at the carpark at the top of the Crimea pass, above Blaenau Festioniog, to take in the views, the clarity of Moel Siabod and surrounding mountains was magnificent.

Still pretty blustery conditions, and only 5C, so i bet nothing had changed on top of Snowdon.
Title: Re: How hard is Snowdon?
Post by: Surfer99 on 12:49:45, 03/05/18
Is the Sherpa bus running at the moment?
Title: Re: How hard is Snowdon?
Post by: Dyffryn Ardudwy on 14:52:03, 03/05/18
I think it will be starting in the next week or two,  as the owner of the half way cafe on the Llanberis Path, told me that the summit cafe will be opening for the first time tomorrow
Once the train is going as far as the summit, the visitor numbers will increase considerably, hence the need for the Sherpa bus service.

Fingers crossed, the weather forecast is supposed to be warming up considerably (wishful thinking, as its still only 8C in Dyffryn, and currently raining) but the pressure is on the increase, so who knows, we might be in the run for some warm weather.

The Sherpa bus service will not swing into operation until the visitor numbers increase to justify running the service.

I recon Bank holiday weekend, will see the service up and running.
Title: Re: How hard is Snowdon?
Post by: rural roamer on 15:18:27, 03/05/18
We are hoping to walk up Snowdon Tuesday or Weds, so I hope the weather lasts til then! As its a Bank Holiday weekend I can only imagine what it will be like on Sunday and Monday. Will keep checking the forecast just in case.
Title: Re: How hard is Snowdon?
Post by: Murphy on 20:48:24, 03/05/18
I was there 2 weeks ago. The buses were running very frequently and so were service buses including double deckers. They were really busy.
Title: Re: How hard is Snowdon?
Post by: Glyno on 22:08:53, 03/05/18


The Sherpa bus service will not swing into operation until the visitor numbers increase to justify running the service.

I recon Bank holiday weekend, will see the service up and running.


the Sherpa service runs throughout the year.


(though I think the service is reduced between November and March)
Title: Re: How hard is Snowdon?
Post by: Skip on 21:51:03, 04/05/18
I think it will be starting in the next week or two...

It was running when I was there a couple of weeks ago. The Gwynedd Council website says the service runs from 23 March 2018 until 4 November 2018.
Title: Re: How hard is Snowdon?
Post by: ljmeerkat75 on 08:31:31, 05/05/18

the Sherpa service runs throughout the year.


(though I think the service is reduced between November and March)
Glyno is right it runs all year round as I use it regularly including winter they have a better service during the summer
Title: Re: How hard is Snowdon?
Post by: fernman on 09:06:37, 05/05/18
Info and links to map and 2018 timetable can be found here:
https://www.gwynedd.llyw.cymru/en/Residents/Parking-roads-and-travel/Travel-passes/Snowdon-Sherpa.aspx (https://www.gwynedd.llyw.cymru/en/Residents/Parking-roads-and-travel/Travel-passes/Snowdon-Sherpa.aspx)

Title: Re: How hard is Snowdon?
Post by: Surfer99 on 09:44:10, 05/05/18
Thanks for all the info folks.


Based on the forecast and Dyffrynn’s experiance earlier I decided to play it safe and postpone for another, disappointing as we where both looking forward to and more so as the following day, the day we were supposed to go the forecast improved. So we went to the kinder in the Peak District instead, did a circular route from edale over to Jacobs ladder back along the top to grindsbrook clough and decended back to edale, a great day and in the last hour it was getting really hot as the sun broke out.
Title: Re: How hard is Snowdon?
Post by: rural roamer on 23:24:13, 13/05/18
So we ended up walking up Snowdon on Bank Holiday Monday even though we never planned on doing it at such a busy time!  :)  But it was thoroughly enjoyable and worthwhile.
Forecast for Tuesday and Wednesday wasn’t good and pretty sure we wouldn’t have seen anything on either day plus it would have been wet, windy and cold. Thursday may have been ok but as it was our last day we weren’t going to risk waiting. So it was up there with the crowds on a glorious sunny day - though not too crowded to start as we did as planned up Rhyd-ddu and down Snowdon Ranger, both of which were fairly quiet for a BH. It was only at the top that we encountered crowds of people, though I can imagine it got much busier later,  as we arrived at the summit at 11.15 and we could see the line of “ants” heading up the Pyg and Miners paths. Can highly recommend the Rhyd-ddu path, great views across to the summit and the scramble near the top is easily manageable. In fact I think our “practice” walk the day before (Moel Hebog, Yr Ogof and Lefen) was more challenging, so in hindsight not the best preparation as my legs were really feeling it! We even parked for free, as we arrived at the Rhyd-ddu station car park about 8am (it was probably less than a quarter full then), a couple of people had just arrived back from seeing the sunrise and gave us their ticket. As someone mentioned, the path back from the ranger path is pretty boggy; not always visible either though we could mostly see the marker posts, but in mist would be quite tricky. We didn’t see anyone in flipflops but lots in trainers and carrying barely anything. Not sure what they were drinking but by the time we got back I was nearly through all my 2 litres ( I’d also taken an emergency bottle as it was hot). I did notice that we seemed to have the largest rucksacks! We still carried all that we would usually carry for a day in the mountains, obviously everyone else “knew” the weather was going to be great all day! Other observations - a lot of dogs, which is fine if they’re used to it but some looked even less fit than their humans (and the dogs didn’t have a choice,) and why do people need to have music playing for all to hear while they are walking? You can tell we’re not used to walking amongst casual walkers/tourists!


Can highly recommend the cottages at Perthi Farm in Beddgelert where we stayed. ( we survived the drive along the farm track fernman!) And we had good meals at the Saracens Head and Tanronnen Inn.
Title: Re: How hard is Snowdon?
Post by: rural roamer on 07:49:17, 14/05/18
I forgot to thank forum members for their tips, always helpful, so thanks  :)
Title: Routes for Snowdon with 10 year old...
Post by: GnP on 09:20:37, 24/03/19
Im looking at walking up the Pyg track/Snowdon & returning via the Miners track at Easter. It would be with a 10 year old child & two other adults (women).Is anyone familiar with the Pyg Track.? I have walked up Snowdon via this route a couple of times but many years ago and seem to remember there is one spot (maybe 2/3 way up ...could be wrong about where). Anyway I think that there is a part that has a ledge to walk sideways along facing a cliff area, with a drop behind.?

As I say I may be wrong but if there is I have to consider the child who can be a tad nervous but not overly. She is fine when not concentrating so that in itself has to be considered if you know what I mean....She has walked the horseshoe.. Corn Du, Pen Y Fan, & Crybin with a few complaints but did ultimately enjoy that.

Or is there another route (s) that would enable us to park a car and return to the same spot, that would be a challenge but not scary. :D We do not want to use a shuttle bus though. A quiet (ish) route would be ok, if there is such a thing at Easter. ??? Hope that wasn`t a ramble.
Title: Re: Routes for Snowdon with 10 year old...
Post by: dank86 on 09:40:14, 24/03/19

I went at Easter at went up rangers and down Rhyd ddu, and it was lovely and quiet! It was nice to see a different side of a mountain I know pretty well.


Pyg up miners down is a classic and should cause many issues, I think the part you are referring to is the zig zags where it goes up fairly steep but should be fine for a 10 year old
Title: Re: Routes for Snowdon with 10 year old...
Post by: GnP on 09:50:47, 24/03/19
I went at Easter at went up rangers and down Rhyd ddu, and it was lovely and quiet! It was nice to see a different side of a mountain I know pretty well.


Pyg up miners down is a classic and should cause many issues, I think the part you are referring to is the zig zags where it goes up fairly steep but should be fine for a 10 year old
Thanks ! O0
Title: Re: How hard is Snowdon?
Post by: GnP on 10:23:05, 24/03/19
https://osmaps.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/route/517728/Trail-Magazine-The-Snowdon-Horseshoe
I have found this route. The section that goes along the south east side of Snowdon, over Y Lliwedd doesnt have a "green" route on the OS maps but there is a footpath..I`m wondering what that route is like..
Title: Re: How hard is Snowdon?
Post by: dank86 on 10:25:22, 24/03/19
Depending on the group crib goch will possibly be a no go, it's very exposed and you will need your hands a lot. Tbf though it's one of my favourite routes, but id only take confident people on that route.


Over y lliwedd isn't to bad there is a path there and if you don't want the exposure you can come away from the cliff edge
Title: Re: How hard is Snowdon?
Post by: GnP on 10:31:39, 24/03/19
Depending on the group crib goch will possibly be a no go, it's very exposed and you will need your hands a lot. Tbf though it's one of my favourite routes, but id only take confident people on that route.


Over y lliwedd isn't to bad there is a path there and if you don't want the exposure you can come away from the cliff edge
Yes I think Crib Goch is out for us :o but that Y lliwedd looks interesting & the total distance is very doable, of course taking into account ascent etc.
Title: Re: How hard is Snowdon?
Post by: dank86 on 10:35:03, 24/03/19
I'd happily take people that route, just beware coming off the summit of Snowdon follow the path down to a sign for the Watkin path and follow the Watkin path for a bit. I've seen people trying to follow the path on a map and getting in to some difficulty
Title: Re: How hard is Snowdon?
Post by: GnP on 10:50:07, 24/03/19
I'd happily take people that route, just beware coming off the summit of Snowdon follow the path down to a sign for the Watkin path and follow the Watkin path for a bit. I've seen people trying to follow the path on a map and getting in to some difficulty
Ah ok. I see on the map, the Watkin path only splits away from the other path at a place called  Bwlch Ciliau firther down..so thanks for that
Title: Re: How hard is Snowdon?
Post by: pdstsp on 14:01:37, 24/03/19

Here's a link to my TR of ascending via Y Lliwedd - its a wonderful route  - I would recommend it the way round I did it, as all the clmbing is over once you get to Snowdon's summit.

http://www.walkingforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=37360.0 (http://www.walkingforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=37360.0)
Title: Re: How hard is Snowdon?
Post by: GnP on 16:31:05, 24/03/19
Here's a link to my TR of ascending via Y Lliwedd - its a wonderful route  - I would recommend it the way round I did it, as all the clmbing is over once you get to Snowdon's summit.

http://www.walkingforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=37360.0 (http://www.walkingforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=37360.0)

Thanks for that pdstsp !