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Title: Pennine Way Winter Gear List
Post by: Another_Smith on 15:26:50, 12/10/17
Hey Folks!


I'm attempting a complete walk of the Pennine Way starting from the 4th of March next year and have been collecting gear over the past 12 months for this and would like to know your thoughts on extra things you recommend.
I'll be attempting it with 100% camping and carrying all the food I need for the planned 14 days with me so I need some pointers for packing for an extended trip of this length as the most I have done so far is about 4 night/ 5 days walking with everything on my back.
Bearing in mind the time of year this will be happening what else am I going to need? If you know brands and models then feel free to suggest, I have my eye on a few things and I know some things that are missing but I'm sure I'll have missed stuff that I didn' consider. I buy fast and light and have tried to keep pack weight as minimal as comfortably possible for me so I'll list what I already have along with the weight below and go from there!



Backpack, Osprey Xenith 75   (2430g)
Hard Shell, Arcteryx Alpha FL   (325g)
Soft Shell, Rab   Vapor-Rise Alpine Jacket   (370g)
Thin Insulating, Rab Xenon X Jacket   (343g)
Thick Insulating, Rab Electron Jacket    (500g)
Fleece, Patagonia R1 Pullover   (337g)
Warm Base, Patagonia Capilene 4 expedition weight hoody   (252g)
Light Base, Icebreaker Oasis Long Sleeve Crewe (X2)   (464g)
Trouser, Rab Calibre Pants   (590g)
Boot, Scarpa Manta Pro GTX   (1640g)
Buff, Rab   Dryflo Tube   (24g)
Gloves, Extremities Insulated Waterproof Sticky Power Liner Glove (??g)
Socks, Smartwool PhD Outdoor Heavy Over-The-Calf Socks (x3) (??g)
Gaiter, Rab Latok Alpine Gaiter   (266g)
Stove, Jetboil Flash 1 Litre   (397g)
Gas, Jetboil Jetpower Fuel (1x 100g, 2x 230g)   (906g)
Tent, Big Agnes Copper Spur HV UL2   (1336g)
Ground Sheet, Big Agnes Copper Spur HV UL2 Footprint   (168g)
Sleeping Bag, Rab Ignition 3   (1212g)
Sleeping Mat, Thermarest Prolite Self Inflating   (396g)


There you have it so far, feel free to make suggestions on what you feel is inappropriate, not needed, and most importantly missing!


Cheers Folks.

Title: Re: Pennine Way Winter Gear List
Post by: jimbob on 15:48:13, 12/10/17
A little hint to help you in your question. If you type in gear list or pennine way gear list or packing list in the search box in the top (ish) right hand of the screen you will gain entry into years of experience to this question.

Welcome to the site from lowly Lincolnshire..

There is a huge amount of experience on the site which I make use of, but I find that the search function helps most of the time, without the need to open a new thread on what could be a popular subject.

Hope to hear how you get on.
Title: Re: Pennine Way Winter Gear List
Post by: ninthace on 15:56:00, 12/10/17
I see from your list you are going commando. Could save on weight but you risk dying of indecent exposure. You are taking no means of entertainment too so you could also die of boredom. Also I note you are not washing or drinking.


Presumably your strategy is to follow footprints and signs as I note no maps or navaids. A light might be handy too in March.
Title: Re: Pennine Way Winter Gear List
Post by: Another_Smith on 16:24:10, 12/10/17
I see from your list you are going commando. Could save on weight but you risk dying of indecent exposure. You are taking no means of entertainment too so you could also die of boredom. Also I note you are not washing or drinking.


Presumably your strategy is to follow footprints and signs as I note no maps or navaids.


All very valid points, underwear I hadn't actually even considered!


I will be getting maps and I'm on the lookout for a GPS so that is covered
I have 2x 3L camelback bladders and will also take 2x 1L water bottles
The kindle will be coming and possibly the iPad Air along with a small solar panel (Anker PowerPort 21W, 416g in weight)
A bar of soap and a stream plus a little indecent exposure for the wash.
Title: Re: Pennine Way Winter Gear List
Post by: Another_Smith on 16:46:43, 12/10/17



Presumably your strategy is to follow footprints and signs as I note no maps or navaids. A light might be handy too in March.


For navigation aids I was considering getting a Garmin eTrex 20X along with my iPhone 6 with Viewranger for backup and doing away with maps completely, would you suggest this?
Title: Re: Pennine Way Winter Gear List
Post by: sussamb on 16:51:34, 12/10/17
That's exactly what I do.  Etrex20 is my primary nav aid, smart phone as back up.  Haven't carried paper maps for years.
Title: Re: Pennine Way Winter Gear List
Post by: Another_Smith on 16:56:42, 12/10/17
That's exactly what I do.  Etrex20 is my primary nav aid, smart phone as back up.  Haven't carried paper maps for years.


That's brilliant news, I've been looking recently for a reliable GPS and I'm torn between the Etrex20 for its simplicity but also the GPS MAP 64s for possible use snowboarding in the future or colder mountaineering trips I plan on doing in the future.
Title: Re: Pennine Way Winter Gear List
Post by: Islandplodder on 18:14:36, 12/10/17
Are you really planning to carry all the food you need for 14 days?  Why not do some stocking up on the way?  Or have I misunderstood?
Title: Re: Pennine Way Winter Gear List
Post by: gunwharfman on 18:16:14, 12/10/17
Whereas I just use my phone and have bought a large capacity battery to ensure that nothing goes flat. Clothing needs always bothered me, I felt I could never get it right. Nowadays I am content though. I now try to make use of some day time stuff to get through the nights as well. For example, if wearing tights under my trousers, they can be worn at night. I change my clothes each evening, at home it's in the morning. Likewise, my warm day jacket (I carry 2) E. G. Can be worn at night if it gets really cold. So my 'system' is to carry 2 underwear, 2 baselayers, etc and rotate each evening.
Title: Re: Pennine Way Winter Gear List
Post by: Islandplodder on 18:16:50, 12/10/17
Sorry, didn't realise this was brought up on another thread.
Title: Re: Pennine Way Winter Gear List
Post by: motorlaunch on 18:53:08, 12/10/17


I have 2x 3L camelback bladders and will also take 2x 1L water bottles



Don't know how much water you normally drink when walking, or what you need whilst in your tent. I would carry a Sawyer water filter so you can use the water along the route. Try to carry as little water as possible.
Title: Re: Pennine Way Winter Gear List
Post by: gunwharfman on 19:10:02, 12/10/17
I agree up to a point, the maximum water I carry in the UK is 1.5L, never had a problem finding water on the PW even on the hottest days. Cattle troughs are always a good source, making sure of course that you only get directly from the ball [censored], not from the trough drinking area.
Title: Re: Pennine Way Winter Gear List
Post by: gunwharfman on 19:20:20, 12/10/17
I could never find a way of filling a 65L bag, at my age I do not think I could carry it. The largest bag for me is 50L, it was big enough when I first started hiking but nowadays I can't even fill my latest 48L. I reckon I could easily get away with 45L but just not prepared to spend out again. I'm not an expert but I cut down stuff and weight every year. At my limit now I think?
Title: Re: Pennine Way Winter Gear List
Post by: fernman on 19:47:54, 12/10/17
I could never find a way of filling a 65L bag, at my age I do not think I could carry it. The largest bag for me is 50L, it was big enough when I first started hiking but nowadays I can't even fill my latest 48L. I reckon I could easily get away with 45L but just not prepared to spend out again. I'm not an expert but I cut down stuff and weight every year. At my limit now I think?

It's not so much the capacity of the bag but how much it weighs when filled.

My bag is 75L and I pretty much fill it right up for a multiple-day walk, that's main compartment, lid and side pockets, while my overtrousers are rolled up and strapped on the top, and my waterproof jacket is laid across the top underneath the flap.

That'll probably make you throw your hands up in horror, GWW, and some others on here too. But it only weighs circa 12kg / 26.5lb including rations for 4 days and a litre of water. I'm not as strong as an ox and I bet I'm older than you, but I carry it with ease, well almost, and I'm sure you would have no trouble.
Title: Re: Pennine Way Winter Gear List
Post by: NeilC on 20:23:11, 12/10/17
I would not have a problem filling 65l in th winter with food for that long.
Title: Re: Pennine Way Winter Gear List
Post by: Another_Smith on 07:47:10, 13/10/17
I could never find a way of filling a 65L bag, at my age I do not think I could carry it. The largest bag for me is 50L, it was big enough when I first started hiking but nowadays I can't even fill my latest 48L. I reckon I could easily get away with 45L but just not prepared to spend out again. I'm not an expert but I cut down stuff and weight every year. At my limit now I think?


Wow that's really put things into perspective. I didn't think I could get the volume of equipment down enough with everything for winter camping, which is the reason for the larger capacity bag. I do actually have an Arcteryx Alpha FL 45 bag which is minimalist as hell and weighs only 675g but doesn't have the suspension system for this kind of load hauling in my mind. In the summer I may have considered this and cut back on layers, swap tent for bivvy, lighter sleeping bag etc.
Water wise though I would like to carry 3 or 4 liters with me at times and only refill once a day.


As far as age and size goes I'm 29, 6 foot and built to haul gear which is probably why I'm not scrimping on weight as much as I could, I know I can carry decent loads but for 2 weeks straight......maybe your right and I'm over gearing because I can and not because I need to.


Some really useful info coming in from you guys thank you very much!
Title: Re: Pennine Way Winter Gear List
Post by: bricam2096 on 08:39:20, 13/10/17
I know everyone is different but 3-4 litres sounds a bit much, especially in March when you won't overheat as much as you would in the Summer.

Personally, I'd be planning to top up along the route at shops ( because I don't have a filter) and maybe take 2 litres.

2 litres less is quite a weight reduction.
Title: Re: Pennine Way Winter Gear List
Post by: Jac on 08:45:25, 13/10/17
Note that you haven't included any First Aid items. I carry plasters/small roll micropore with non adhesive dressing which can be cut to size, ibruprofen, antiseptic wipes in individual sachets, 1 sachet rehydration powder and Compeed blister plasters. Hopefully, you won't need any of them and anything this can't cope would probably need outside help.

I also think that carrying 8 litres of water (= 8 Kgs) is over the top. A sawyer filter seems to be favourite with the LDWs here. A drought on the Pennines in March is unlikely - but you could be lucky/unlucky.

 
Title: Re: Pennine Way Winter Gear List
Post by: fernman on 08:57:40, 13/10/17
Personally I don't see the need to carry all that water with you. A litre of water weighs a kilo, even if you do manage carrying weights well. Having only one fully functioning kidney I have to drink larger quantities than most, but I never carry more than 1 litre when on a multiple-day walk.

My walks are always in Snowdonia, maybe there's more water for refills available there than along the Penine Way, I really don't know? Even in near-drought occasions I've always found enough.

I carry it in a Nalgene Cantene collapsible bottle, much lighter than the solid one, and I make it safe with a Steripen Adventurer.  When I stop for the night I fill a 5L folding water carrier like the one shown below from eBay. They fold in three vertically, weigh little, and can be slid down inside your sack. Just had to replace one, though, as it developed a leak and would empty itself overnight. That is enough for drinks (I have 500ml of energy drinks, from powder, evening and morning), water for freeze-dried food, powdered milk, coffee, and for washing myself.

 
Title: Re: Pennine Way Winter Gear List
Post by: Owen on 10:26:05, 13/10/17
A soft shell and a fleece.
A thin and thick insulated jacket.
A light and thick base layer.


That's quite a bit of duplication, wouldn't having layers that can be put on one on top of another be more flexible?


Scarpa Mantras, their heavy winter boots, are you expecting to have to wear crampons?
Title: Re: Pennine Way Winter Gear List
Post by: Another_Smith on 11:17:12, 13/10/17
A soft shell and a fleece.
A thin and thick insulated jacket.
A light and thick base layer.


That's quite a bit of duplication, wouldn't having layers that can be put on one on top of another be more flexible?


Scarpa Mantras, their heavy winter boots, are you expecting to have to wear crampons?


I love the Mantas personally despite the weight and wear them anytime other than summer days. They really are bomb proof, waterproof (With the gaiters too I should stay nice and dry) and now they're worn in so comfy, I don't see this as an issue. I may be a little out of my depth if I stumble into crampon territory but do have a set if you think it's going to be needed????  ;D


I'm glad you mentioned the layering though as this is something I need to work on over this winter, trying to find what I find comfortable at low temperatures/ high winds. I naturally run quite hot and to be honest I don't know if I'll need the thick insulating layer, a baselayer and this and I'm super toasty but I was thinking more for when I stop and in the evening, do you think this is overkill (800FP Goose Down)? As far as the other layers go I'll be taking 2 base layers anyway and changing daily so decided on one thicker than the other, the fleece and softshell are both thin and work very well together for warmth and wind resistance, plus the thin insulating layer is so light and is also my pillow as it stuffs into its inside pocket and is perfectly sized.


I'll look at dropping that thicker down jacket as, 4 nights around Snowdonia coming up in November so I'll see if it's needless weight. But as my pack weight is looking to be around 12kg right now is 500g really that much more to carry to be snug in the evening, in case of potential snow, cozy when you knock out a cuppa at lunch? 
Title: Re: Pennine Way Winter Gear List
Post by: Owen on 16:06:14, 13/10/17
Down is fantastic for high Alpine/Arctic type weather conditions i.e. well below freezing all the time, when any moisture in the air will be snow/ice crystals. Such conditions seldom last for more than a couple of days in the UK, unfortunately. It's also unlikely to be that cold, wet and windy is much more likely. I do have a down jacket but can't remember the last time I wore it here, it only come out for skiing holidays. Down is also a bu**er to keep clean whereas primaloft can just be bunged in the washing machine.


My point about the boots was that you're very unlikely to need crampons on the PW even in March so why use heavy stiff boots designed for winter and lots of cramponing. You could use something a third of the weight which would be far more comfortable and less tiring.


I wrote a blog about what I took to Arctic Sweden in the summer http://donthaveone-owen.blogspot.co.uk/2017/06/what-im-taking-to-sarek.html (http://donthaveone-owen.blogspot.co.uk/2017/06/what-im-taking-to-sarek.html) In the end I actually took a different tent but everything else is what I would use for any trip here in the UK. I carried 15 days food and gas because sarek is a wilderness area so no re-supply, as others have said the PW isn't a wilderness so you could just buy food as you go. 
Title: Re: Pennine Way Winter Gear List
Post by: gunwharfman on 17:37:11, 13/10/17
Thanks Owen Re: down jacket. Helps me to believe that me choosing synthetic was not a bad move. As regards water, I carry a bladder in my rucksack and I'm a water sipper. I have a small cup on the back of my bag to have a guzzle when the opportunity presents itself. I also carry a simple water filter (just a 6"plastic tube) as a back up.
Title: Re: Pennine Way Winter Gear List
Post by: NeilC on 21:50:18, 14/10/17
Crikey some of you guys spend a lot of money on kit! I'm thinking my list is more like Karrimor fleece, Aldi thermals, Decathlon rucksack, ebay stove LOL


In terms of insulation. I don't know about you but I can rarely walk in anything more than a baselayer fleece and waterproof/windproof, even in snow. The down jacket only comes out in camp and doubles as part of my pillow filling. My last winter jaunt, albeit only a weekender in snowy Dartmoor conditions had me in a merino top, a thin microfleece, a standard cheapo fleece maybe 200gsm and shell with down for camp. I was cold but only hands and feet at times. I can never get gloves right. Are people actually walking in insulated jackets in UK winter? Actually, does March count as winter?
Title: Re: Pennine Way Winter Gear List
Post by: gunwharfman on 21:53:47, 14/10/17
Like me! When I'm hiking, no real problems, stopping is the problem, it's then that I start to feel cold.
Title: Re: Pennine Way Winter Gear List
Post by: Another_Smith on 09:37:50, 16/10/17
Well a smaller lighter bag (Osprey atmos 65 AG, by far the comfiest thing to ever grace my back), lighter boots (Salomon Quest 4D 2 GTX, again super comfy straight from the box when I tried them and a ton lighter than the Manta pros), new gps (Garmin GPSMAP 64s) , safety essentials and a sawyer water filter are all on order for delivery this week so thank you (My bank however does not!  ;D ).


Insulation has been mentioned numerous times here and I've always been warm enough in just the lightweight synthetic rab xenon hoodie that's also my pillow, I was just over preparing for going 'up north' being a midlander. I do sometimes wear that insulating layer in winter whilst walking and have used it a few times whilst snowboarding but its only ever a baselayer, that and maybe a hardshell depending on the conditions. It breathes well, dries quick and is light as a feather so just replace any kind of fleece mid-layer for this.




Title: Re: Pennine Way Winter Gear List
Post by: motorlaunch on 11:49:31, 16/10/17
Your kit list didn't mention overtrousers. Rain is definitely a possibility in March. Also if you are intent on carrying 14 days food. What is your daily food plan.
Title: Re: Pennine Way Winter Gear List
Post by: gunwharfman on 12:14:24, 16/10/17
I'm a lazy foodie, always carry the minium, Wraps, nuts, chicken bars, always eat properly in the nearest pub or restaurant. Sometimes I've been known to carry a tin of creamy rice or custard to eat 'at the top' but that's my only vice.


I had a pair of Ospreys as well, super comfy as you say but unfortunately mine leaked!
Title: Re: Pennine Way Winter Gear List
Post by: Another_Smith on 12:23:47, 16/10/17
Your kit list didn't mention overtrousers. Rain is definitely a possibility in March. Also if you are intent on carrying 14 days food. What is your daily food plan.


I'm still unsure if I should carry around 4/5 days food with me and resupply along the way from local towns or to try the full stretch with whats in my bag. Still need a bit of time to think on this one as I initially wanted to try this with only whats in my pack.


Over trousers will be coming with me but you're right I forgot them from that list, I just got some very lightweight pac-a-mac style ones I throw over my other trousers when its hoofing it down. Only usually needed in hard driving rain as the others are pretty water resistant and what I usually wear Snowboarding.


Title: Re: Pennine Way Winter Gear List
Post by: gunwharfman on 12:35:08, 16/10/17
Sometimes when I watch westerns I often think would it be better if rain jackets were designed with an attachable 'skirt', because I dislike waterproof trousers intensely, such a faff!! I use a rain skirt at the moment which  personally prefer.
Title: Re: Pennine Way Winter Gear List
Post by: Another_Smith on 12:44:14, 16/10/17
Sometimes when I watch westerns I often think would it be better if rain jackets were designed with an attachable 'skirt', because I dislike waterproof trousers intensely, such a faff!! I use a rain skirt at the moment which  personally prefer.

A skirt that collects rainfall and keeps your water bottle topped up and sheds any extra water? Now I think you might be on to something!
Title: Re: Pennine Way Winter Gear List
Post by: gunwharfman on 14:41:56, 16/10/17
Actually, your idea may have a lot of merit. Immediately after I had my prostrate removed I had to suffer the indignity of having a catheter for about 10 days, the worst few days of my life! The fluid bag was strapped to the lower part of my left leg. Lee Marvin wore one in the film Point Blank. So having a small water bottle strapped there instead, fed by the jacket 'skirt' rainwater could be a life saver emergency water supply!
Title: Re: Pennine Way Winter Gear List
Post by: roughyed on 00:21:00, 17/10/17
I generally use a rule of thumb of 1kg a day for food, and thats freeze dried stuff.  I also try for 3-3.5K Kcals a day. 

14kgs of food + 4/8kgs of water would have me thinking at the start.

I doubt you will lack water on the Pennine way in march, a filter is a much better idea I would think.
Title: Re: Pennine Way Winter Gear List
Post by: NeilC on 12:52:35, 17/10/17
Food us a tricky one in that you just can't get the weight down no matter how.much you spend.

I typically got for instant porridge for breakfast, oatcakes and cheese and chorizo for lunch and flavoured couscous with chorizo for tea. Couscous has the advantage of requiring very little cooking time s saves fuel. Hard cheese and chorizo are fatty and very calorie dense. However for 2 weeks that's gonna get boring and give you scurvy I suspect.

Depends what you want out of.the trip. If it's a challenge to get there totally self sufficient then you gotta carry a lot of food weight. If you're doing it to enjoy yourself then stopping off to get food or insanely welcome pub meals would make sense.
Title: Re: Pennine Way Winter Gear List
Post by: motorlaunch on 13:33:02, 17/10/17
Fortunately the PW passes near a pub or a cafe on many of the days. I always take the opportunity to eat a meal or buy snacks if they are open. It all depends on the timing. Mondays can be a problem as some have that day off as they were open at the weekend.
Title: Re: Pennine Way Winter Gear List
Post by: Owen on 20:45:06, 17/10/17
I generally use a rule of thumb of 1kg a day for food, and thats freeze dried stuff.  I also try for 3-3.5K Kcals a day. 


That's high, I generally take about 500g per day which gives me around 2000 Kcals.


Only ever carry 1 litre of water at a time and just fill it up as and when I need to. As I've a thing about wilderness I don't tend to walk in areas with intense farming so streams and rivers are pretty clean. I think farm yard waste and agricultural chemical run off would more likely to be a problem on the PW than in the Highlands or Lapland. You could always just ask locally if you could fill up your water bottle I've never been refused when I've asked.   
Title: Re: Pennine Way Winter Gear List
Post by: Yorkshiremarv on 13:28:47, 18/10/17
Study the route as to where you will go on the pw, like if you stop at crowden on the first day, there is a camp shop that does pizzas amongst other stuff so carrying 14 days worth of food is crazy. i did my pw last april startin the 2nd so cold weather and snow up high were my real concerns but apart from torrential rain the first day it was ok weather. I started out with a 14kg pack as carrying all my equipment too but it was real hard graft until i got to gargrave and met the wife who i could get rid of a few things. My gear consisted of rab walking trousers( not waterproof as i found out that first day) regatta insulated trousers which helped keeping me warm on my first wild camp up above lothersdale( it was very chilly), merino long sleeved top that was worn everyday and never washed, some days it was all i had on, on the top. One thing for a large rucksack( i have a osprey aether 70) is that it helps shield you from the elements. I have a rab coat(not sure which) but it was mega warm, even when pished wet thru i was warm wet. ha. My salomen boots are passed their best, not the greatest of grip in the wet and for the 1st 5 days they were wet thru, so having dry socks to put on is a godsend. I went for a sawyer mini water filter to save weight but only used it once as could buy water en route. Ive also got a jetboil which is FANTASTIC at boiling water but a bit of a pain at warming up soup as you need to constantly stir, i have now bought a little pan set which enabled me to cook the wife a lovely fillet steak and boiled pots high up at gregs hut. My sleeping bag wasnt ideal and if i had the money i'd get a fancy sleep under the stars type of one(under a tarp obviously). Vango tempest 200 tent was used which did the job but rather heavy( had big budget restraints) and also stupidly i didnt buy/couldnt afford any type of sleeping mat, which was one of the biggest regrets. Hope some of this helps!!
Title: Re: Pennine Way Winter Gear List
Post by: Doddy on 17:28:56, 19/10/17

Always difficult on comment on such a list as you have already invested in gear. Appears to me you have a lot of jackets. [font=]Jackets/rain gear-I go with a Zpacks Poncho, Patagonia wind shirt; Montbell thermawrap jckt; Rain wrap-total 609gm.  I have done the PW, and many other LD walks,there is a good rhythm of towns on the PW to resupply for food. A lot of the PW is in Yorkshire and there the water even comes from the sky the water around is brackish but drinkable when filtered/treated. I carry a litre and water up along the way as required.
You should be warm enough walking. At that time of year they will be long nights you need to be sure you are warm enough in camp. I cannot see Toiletrr bag, pooh kit,a techy bag for battereries, phone chargers, torches.
I would do shake down hike a month before of 100 mile with all the gear to get faith and confidence that you can succeed with your kit and fitness.
Title: Re: Pennine Way Winter Gear List
Post by: tonyk on 11:52:32, 20/10/17
 A lot will depend on the weather.If we have a March like we have had in recent years you might get away with gear more suited to late Spring.On the other hand you might be hit by snow storms,very high winds and ice and require crampons,ice-axe,snow goggles and survival equipment.
Title: Re: Pennine Way Winter Gear List
Post by: Taz on 08:34:54, 11/11/17
I just walked the PW to Horton in Ribblesdale (wildcamping) and found that pubs and shops shown on maps are not always open, or open when you pass through, so make sure you know your possible supply points.
I took a water filter and only carried up to a liter. Bottles are easier to refill, I never used the bladder.
A rollmat under your inflatable mat will keep you much warmer. I found I lived in my thin overtrousers as everything was so wet, they are nice to wear and kept my trousers clean and dry. In winter I find thin gloves with goretex overmitts works well, or buffalo mitts. I don't think your bag is too big, if you like then use it, mine is 60L ( but very light).



Title: Re: Pennine Way Winter Gear List
Post by: DevonDave on 09:34:40, 11/11/17
I just walked the PW to Horton in Ribblesdale (wildcamping) and found that pubs and shops shown on maps are not always open, or open when you pass through, so make sure you know your possible supply points.
Yes, I can sympathise with you there.  I remember a few years ago we timed our walk so we would arrive at the pub at Helwith Bridge around lunch time.  When we arrived there feeling absolutely famished we found that it was closed.  We weren't very happy!
Title: Re: Pennine Way Winter Gear List
Post by: Taz on 11:52:34, 11/11/17
To add insult to injury my new-ish cooker broke...thank gawd for weetabix and kabanas. When I got to Malham I followed my nose to the nearest cafe  :)
Title: Re: Pennine Way Winter Gear List
Post by: sussamb on 12:10:58, 11/11/17
And there is a lovely one in Malham, with signs saying walkers and muddy boots welcome  :)
Title: Re: Pennine Way Winter Gear List
Post by: Stube on 16:02:09, 11/11/17
It's difficult to get specialized dehydrated food along the PW - I  only recall two specialist outdoor shops (in Hawes and Alton). To reduce your starting weight you could always make use of the Post Office's Poste Resterant service and post supplies up trail for collection when you pass.
Title: Re: Pennine Way Winter Gear List
Post by: Doddy on 12:26:43, 27/11/17
There are rain wraps/skirt/kilts on the market. Had my ULA rain wrap for years after US trip; weighs a couple of ounces. Lighter ones at Zpacks .
Title: Re: Pennine Way Winter Gear List
Post by: Semigoodlookin on 17:28:02, 02/12/17
I am another who is not a foodie on the trail. I agree carrying 14 days of food seems a bad idea. With a strict 12kg limit on my pack weight I think you are taking too much. Really try to concentrate on finding a solid layering system. Covering as many climate eventualities in the least amount of clothes will keep your pack lighter.


Btw, you have some nice gear.
Title: Re: Pennine Way Winter Gear List
Post by: mjhoward70 on 18:12:21, 12/12/17
Seems like a hell of a lot of kit there. Not sure about wearing Scarpa Mantas as they're like lead diving boots. I did the first week on the SWCP from Minehead to Dunstable wearing Scarpa SL Activ boots, it really was an extra work out.


12KG max I'd say, get your pack weight as low as you can and pray for dry weather.