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Title: Is any waterproof jacket truly waterproof?
Post by: April on 13:43:59, 19/12/18
I have just read the fell top assessor's report from Tue 18/12/18. Interesting that even his waterproof did not keep the rain out. Here is the text from the report.

"A wild day to be trying to climb a mountain. The assessor chose to attempt an ascent of Helvellyn via the Wythburn Path, as it is straightforward with no big crags to get blown off. In the event he gave up his attempt at 850m on the western flank of Nethermost Pike due to constantly being hurled to the ground by the gale to storm force winds. Quite often in winter the best decision is to turn back. Today was definitely one of those days.

 Torrential rain was the other main weather feature today, filling becks and making all ground waterlogged. Despite the thorough wetting everything was getting, including the assessor right down to his base-layers, there was still some ice present on the paths above 750m, although as the thaw continues throughout the day it is impossible to say how much ice will be present on the high fells tomorrow.

 Anyone heading onto the fells today should really have chosen a lower level route instead. Double waterproofs might have proved useful, along with lots of warmth layers, and the usual map and compass, food and drink. An ice axe and crampons should always be carried in winter on the high fells, but today they weren't used."


Perhaps having two waterproofs is the answer?
Title: Re: Is any waterproof jacket truly waterproof?
Post by: NeilC on 15:59:05, 19/12/18
I have just read the fell top assessor's report from Tue 18/12/18. Interesting that even his waterproof did not keep the rain out. Here is the text from the report.

"A wild day to be trying to climb a mountain. The assessor chose to attempt an ascent of Helvellyn via the Wythburn Path, as it is straightforward with no big crags to get blown off. In the event he gave up his attempt at 850m on the western flank of Nethermost Pike due to constantly being hurled to the ground by the gale to storm force winds. Quite often in winter the best decision is to turn back. Today was definitely one of those days.

 Torrential rain was the other main weather feature today, filling becks and making all ground waterlogged. Despite the thorough wetting everything was getting, including the assessor right down to his base-layers, there was still some ice present on the paths above 750m, although as the thaw continues throughout the day it is impossible to say how much ice will be present on the high fells tomorrow.

 Anyone heading onto the fells today should really have chosen a lower level route instead. Double waterproofs might have proved useful, along with lots of warmth layers, and the usual map and compass, food and drink. An ice axe and crampons should always be carried in winter on the high fells, but today they weren't used."


Perhaps having two waterproofs is the answer?


Do membrane-based jackets leak then? Mine never seem to. Obviously rain gets in at neck and cuffs but that's not what I'd call leaking as such. I don't ever remember the fabric letting water through.


Maybe he was wearing Paramo?
Title: Re: Is any waterproof jacket truly waterproof?
Post by: pauldawes on 17:14:17, 19/12/18
In the days I used to "trot" across the odd bog for best part of a day, on really rainy days I used to wear a ventile jacket on top of another waterproof. That proved watertight for me...but blimey, there was a fair bit of weight compared to more modern kit, and you almost needed a hours notice to get dressed/ undressed.
Title: Re: Is any waterproof jacket truly waterproof?
Post by: richardh1905 on 17:17:45, 19/12/18

I have nothing but praise for my Mountain Equipment Gore Tex Pro jacket, which is entering it's 4th Orkney winter. As the owner of an energetic dog, I am out in all weathers, including horizontal rain in storm force winds (I find it exhilarating). This jacket has NOT let me down - the only water ingress has been around my face.

£265 well spent - worth every penny.
Title: Re: Is any waterproof jacket truly waterproof?
Post by: Glyno on 17:22:31, 19/12/18
I have nothing but praise for my Mountain Equipment Gore Tex Pro jacket, which is entering it's 4th Orkney winter. As the owner of an energetic dog, I am out in all weathers, including horizontal rain in storm force winds (I find it exhilarating). This jacket has NOT let me down - the only water ingress has been around my face.

£265 well spent - worth every penny.


I can't begin to guess at the number of jackets I've owned over the years, none of which have come close in terms of function and protection to my Mountain Equipment Lhotse
Title: Re: Is any waterproof jacket truly waterproof?
Post by: pdstsp on 17:44:59, 19/12/18
+1 for the Lhotse - great piece of kit.  Stung a bit paying for it though!
Title: Re: Is any waterproof jacket truly waterproof?
Post by: richardh1905 on 19:04:48, 19/12/18

Pretty sure that it is the Lhotse that I have.

I would buy the same again without hesitation.


EDIT available for £275 from Gaynor Sports Ambleside
Title: Re: Is any waterproof jacket truly waterproof?
Post by: happyhiker on 19:05:52, 19/12/18
The problem I have is that I run hot and if I wear a waterproof for any length of time, I end up wet through. Once the shell gets wet, the supposed breathability seems ineffective. My main 'heavy duty' she'll is a Marmot. I have worn this in absolutely torrential rain round and about - say to the local shops - and stayed bone dry. However once I start working hard, I get wet. This seems an insoluble problem.
Title: Re: Is any waterproof jacket truly waterproof?
Post by: Maggot on 20:08:15, 19/12/18
Nothing, once made into a garment of any kind is ever truly waterproof.


Why does this question keep coming up? 


Nothing you wear for walking can be 100% waterproof, that is the end of this discussion forever  O0
Title: Re: Is any waterproof jacket truly waterproof?
Post by: pdstsp on 20:46:15, 19/12/18
If you say so.
Title: Re: Is any waterproof jacket truly waterproof?
Post by: beefy on 20:56:58, 19/12/18
I have nothing but praise for my Mountain Equipment Gore Tex Pro jacket, which is entering it's 4th Orkney winter. As the owner of an energetic dog, I am out in all weathers, including horizontal rain in storm force winds (I find it exhilarating). This jacket has NOT let me down - the only water ingress has been around my face.

£265 well spent - worth every penny.
I just bought the ME Rupal jacket, hope it's as good as yours O0


+1 for the Lhotse - great piece of kit.  Stung a bit paying for it though!
;D
[/size]The problem I have is that I run hot and if I wear a waterproof for any length of time, I end up wet through.
Me too  :-\


Title: Re: Is any waterproof jacket truly waterproof?
Post by: Glyno on 21:31:14, 19/12/18
Nothing, once made into a garment of any kind is ever truly waterproof.


Why does this question keep coming up? 


Nothing you wear for walking can be 100% waterproof, that is the end of this discussion forever  O0


we'll chat amongst ourselves if that's ok with you?
Title: Re: Is any waterproof jacket truly waterproof?
Post by: Glyno on 21:32:33, 19/12/18
Nothing, once made into a garment of any kind is ever truly waterproof.



Wetsuit?
Marigold gloves?
Title: Re: Is any waterproof jacket truly waterproof?
Post by: Maggot on 21:43:21, 19/12/18

Wetsuit?
Marigold gloves?


Well, definitely not a wetsuit, they are basically designed to flood!
Title: Re: Is any waterproof jacket truly waterproof?
Post by: Maggot on 21:50:30, 19/12/18
I have nothing but praise for my Mountain Equipment Gore Tex Pro jacket, which is entering it's 4th Orkney winter. As the owner of an energetic dog, I am out in all weathers, including horizontal rain in storm force winds (I find it exhilarating). This jacket has NOT let me down - the only water ingress has been around my face.

£265 well spent - worth every penny.


You see this is exactly it.  This response sums up my point brilliantly.


Richard is telling us that the jacket is, and always has been 100% waterproof over the course of 4 harsh winters in some exceptional weather........except where it lets the water in  ;D


The fabric can be 100% waterproof, but when made into a garment you cannot seal the whole thing 100%, no walking garment is 100% waterproof.  Look at the labels, they say 'Made from 100% waterproof fabric'  not 'This jacket is 100% waterproof'  There is a subtle marketing difference hiding in there.
Title: Re: Is any waterproof jacket truly waterproof?
Post by: ninthace on 21:51:08, 19/12/18
Nothing, once made into a garment of any kind is ever truly waterproof.



I have worn drysuits that have done a pretty good job down to 120 ft under water.  I have a Berghaus shell with zip in fleece that does a good job but is unfortunately too warm for UK use except in the depths of winter.  I have a lightweight Wolfskin membrane jacket that is waterproof as far is rain is concerned - shame about the condensation issue though.
My Paramo jacket is a disappointment, it suffers from both condensation and wetting out in time.  My Paramo trousers on the other hand are by an large successful but only suitable for winter use.  My Berghaus Deluge trousers have yet to be subjected to a thorough test.
One thin I can say from today's walk though, when the Met Office let me down with an unscheduled downpour -  a fleece and Craghoppers trousers don't cut it in the rain  :)
Title: Re: Is any waterproof jacket truly waterproof?
Post by: ninthace on 21:57:53, 19/12/18
You see this is exactly it.  This response sums up my point brilliantly.Richard is telling us that the jacket is, and always has been 100% waterproof over the course of 4 harsh winters in some exceptional weather........except where it lets the water in  ;D  The fabric can be 100% waterproof, but when made into a garment you cannot seal the whole thing 100%, no walking garment is 100% waterproof.  Look at the labels, they say 'Made from 100% waterproof fabric'  not 'This jacket is 100% waterproof'  There is a subtle marketing difference hiding in there.
The major weakness is ingress round the hood.  The can be overcome using a hood with a wire reinforced peak or a decent hat with a good brim. 
Title: Re: Is any waterproof jacket truly waterproof?
Post by: BuzyG on 21:59:18, 19/12/18
I just bought the ME Rupal jacket, hope it's as good as yours O0

 ;D  Me too  :-\


Popular choice. I also bought one recently?  Best jacket I have found so far.  Got a  thorough testing in gale force winds rain and hail on Dartmoor last Sunday.   O0
Title: Re: Is any waterproof jacket truly waterproof?
Post by: Mel on 21:59:35, 19/12/18
.... that is the end of this discussion forever  O0


It would appear that you are wrong  ::)




Anyway, to contribute usefully (hopefully) to this topic, my jacket is 100% waterproof.  It's also 100% not breathable when fully zipped up (which is obviously the reason I walk so slow so as to not work up a sweat and cause condensation on the inside  :D  )
Title: Re: Is any waterproof jacket truly waterproof?
Post by: Maggot on 22:00:55, 19/12/18

I have worn drysuits that have done a pretty good job down to 120 ft under water.  I have a Berghaus shell with zip in fleece that does a good job but is unfortunately too warm for UK use except in the depths of winter.  I have a lightweight Wolfskin membrane jacket that is waterproof as far is rain is concerned - shame about the condensation issue though.
My Paramo jacket is a disappointment, it suffers from both condensation and wetting out in time.  My Paramo trousers on the other hand are by an large successful but only suitable for winter use.  My Berghaus Deluge trousers have yet to be subjected to a thorough test.
One thin I can say from today's walk though, when the Met Office let me down with an unscheduled downpour -  a fleece and Craghoppers trousers don't cut it in the rain  :)


Do you go walking regularly in a diving drysuit?  How do you get your boots and gaiters over the top of the sealed boots?   Or do you wear walking clothes for walking in?


Does your Wolfskin jacket have a tight rubber collar and cuffs and waist like a drysuit?  No it hasn't, so you will get drips down your neck etc.


Why is everyone so reluctant to admit that no coat can be 100% waterproof?  As long as they do their job to your satisfaction, then all good, but 100% waterproof.......sadly impossible!
Title: Re: Is any waterproof jacket truly waterproof?
Post by: beefy on 22:03:44, 19/12/18
The major weakness is ingress round the hood.  The can be overcome using a hood with a wire reinforced peak or a decent hat with a good brim.
O0

Popular choice. I also bought one recently?  Best jacket I have found so far.  Got I thorough testing in gale force winds rain and hail on Dartmoor last Sunday.   O0
Thanks BuzyG,  8)
I've not tested it in a proper downpour yet  :)
Title: Re: Is any waterproof jacket truly waterproof?
Post by: ninthace on 22:10:13, 19/12/18
Does your Wolfskin jacket have a tight rubber collar and cuffs and waist like a drysuit?  No it hasn't, so you will get drips down your neck etc.


Doesn't need to.  Water doesn't flow up hill  so I don't need a water tight seal on my cuffs. I wear a broad brimmed hat in heavy rain to keep rain off my face and glasses.  My Berghaus has a projecting wire reinforced hood that does the same job,
Title: Re: Is any waterproof jacket truly waterproof?
Post by: BuzyG on 22:10:54, 19/12/18
O0 Thanks BuzyG,  8)
I've not tested it in a proper downpour yet  :)


I have a walk to lead on Bodmin this coming Sunday looking at the forcast, it will get another proper workout then too.  ;D
Title: Re: Is any waterproof jacket truly waterproof?
Post by: beefy on 22:14:23, 19/12/18

I have a walk to lead on Bodmin this coming Sunday looking at the forcast, it will get another proper workout then too.  ;D
;D  I'll be in the lakes getting a thrashing from it no doubt
Title: Re: Is any waterproof jacket truly waterproof?
Post by: richardh1905 on 22:34:49, 19/12/18

Good choice Beefy. Hope that it lives up to expectations!
Title: Re: Is any waterproof jacket truly waterproof?
Post by: beefy on 22:36:20, 19/12/18
Good choice Beefy. Hope that it lives up to expectations!
Thanks richard O0

Title: Re: Is any waterproof jacket truly waterproof?
Post by: Glyno on 04:20:59, 20/12/18



Why is everyone so reluctant to admit that no coat can be 100% waterproof?  As long as they do their job to your satisfaction, then all good, but 100% waterproof.......sadly impossible!



what you're really asking is - "why won't everyone please agree with meeee"!
Title: Re: Is any waterproof jacket truly waterproof?
Post by: pauldawes on 06:36:36, 20/12/18



Why is everyone so reluctant to admit that no coat can be 100% waterproof?  As long as they do their job to your satisfaction, then all good, but 100% waterproof.......sadly impossible!


I’m not sure “every one” is reluctant to accept any practical walking kit is “100 percent waterproof”...force water at high enough pressure against any practical clothing, and some water will get through. But walkers don’t define “waterproof” in that way...a materials scientist might, but walkers don’t.


Reality is that different types of clothes have substantially different degrees of “water resistance”, and in some clothing that resistance is high enough to keep person substantially dry in any conditions likely to be met outside a laboratory.


When we discuss “waterproof clothing”...we are really talking about clothing whose water resistance is high enough to keep us comfortable in conditions we go out in. For some of us..that will be Scottish winters (or even colder and wetter for some)...so there is bound to be a healthy interest in this topic.


Title: Re: Is any waterproof jacket truly waterproof?
Post by: April on 08:45:15, 20/12/18
Why does this question keep coming up? 


Nothing you wear for walking can be 100% waterproof, that is the end of this discussion forever  O0

Pleased to see there has been a discussion after all   ;)

I posted this because I assumed the Lake District Fell top assessors would have pretty decent gear. I don't know which make their jackets are, the photos don't show it. Maggot you may not have read all of the text in his report where he mentions torrential rain and gale to storm force winds. Perhaps it is this combination together that no jacket could cope with? And I don't mean water getting in through the open bits at the neck or cuffs. The assessor said he was wet down to his base layers. The fell top assessors are all very experienced mountaineers, will know what gear works well and what doesn't and I was surprised he mentioned using double waterproofs. I used to carry a spare waterproof jacket to put on if my first waterproof got soaked. It was also used as an extra warmth later. I stopped carrying it to save weight.

There have been some good reviews about Mountain Equipment jackets on here. Beefy has one now. I may get one myself but I would be too hot in a 3 layer jacket so it will have to be one of the lighter weight jackets. May not be as waterproof though?

When we discuss “waterproof clothing”...we are really talking about clothing whose water resistance is high enough to keep us comfortable in conditions we go out in. For some of us..that will be Scottish winters (or even colder and wetter for some)...so there is bound to be a healthy interest in this topic.

Spot on Mr Dawes  O0
Title: Re: Is any waterproof jacket truly waterproof?
Post by: phil1960 on 08:53:44, 20/12/18

what you're really asking is - "why won't everyone please agree with meeee"!
  ;D ;D O0
Title: Re: Is any waterproof jacket truly waterproof?
Post by: richardh1905 on 10:11:15, 20/12/18
Pleased to see there has been a discussion after all   ;)

There have been some good reviews about Mountain Equipment jackets on here. Beefy has one now. I may get one myself but I would be too hot in a 3 layer jacket so it will have to be one of the lighter weight jackets. May not be as waterproof though?




The Rupal is made of 75 denier GoreTex, whereas the Lhotse is made of thinner 40 Denier GoreTex Pro, reinforced at high wear points. Both have 'pit zips'. I doubt that you would have overheating problems with either, April - I certainly use it in summer as well as winter and have no bother, despite being someone who 'runs hot'.


And yes, always a hot topic for conversation. As proved by Maggot's intervention!  ;D
Title: Re: Is any waterproof jacket truly waterproof?
Post by: pdstsp on 10:54:50, 20/12/18
Ha - Richard you may think you run hot but you've never met me - for some reason I sweat like a pit pony, and any jacket will induce perspiration at a horrendous rate.  I often come across people in the fells wearing jackets when I am in a base layer, and yet I feel the cold at home (weird).  However, the Lhotse is a truly great jacket and the pit zips are a great way of releasing steam  ;D .  Funnily I find it a much easier jacket to control my heat in in summer conditions than a much lighter Rab jacket. It is also far better at keeping out the rain! 
Title: Re: Is any waterproof jacket truly waterproof?
Post by: beefy on 11:02:47, 20/12/18
Ha - Richard you may think you run hot but you've never met me - for some reason I sweat like a pit pony, and any jacket will induce perspiration at a horrendous rate.  I often come across people in the fells wearing jackets when I am in a base layer, and yet I feel the cold at home (weird).  However, the Lhotse is a truly great jacket and the pit zips are a great way of releasing steam  ;D .  Funnily I find it a much easier jacket to control my heat in in summer conditions than a much lighter Rab jacket. It is also far better at keeping out the rain!
Thanks hot stuff ;D

I cantt say I'm surprised about the RAB jacket the downpour jacket that April bought is rubbish
It's far from waterproof, and the zips are absolutely crap.

Title: Re: Is any waterproof jacket truly waterproof?
Post by: pdstsp on 11:08:27, 20/12/18
Long time since anyone called me hot stuff, Beefy Boy :D
Title: Re: Is any waterproof jacket truly waterproof?
Post by: April on 12:38:06, 20/12/18
April - I certainly use it in summer as well as winter and have no bother, despite being someone who 'runs hot'.

Thanks hot stuff  ;)  :D

I'm looking at the names of the ME jackets for women. There is one called "havoc" and another called "quarrel"  :o  :-\  :)
Title: Re: Is any waterproof jacket truly waterproof?
Post by: ninthace on 12:47:23, 20/12/18
Thanks hot stuff  ;) :D

I'm looking at the names of the ME jackets for women. There is one called "havoc" and another called "quarrel"  :o :-\ :)
Is there one called "you know what you did - I'm not telling you!" ?
Title: Re: Is any waterproof jacket truly waterproof?
Post by: April on 12:58:03, 20/12/18
Is there one called "you know what you did - I'm not telling you!" ?

There was one called "No, there is nothing wrong"  :D
Title: Re: Is any waterproof jacket truly waterproof?
Post by: richardh1905 on 16:06:22, 20/12/18
Ha - Richard you may think you run hot but you've never met me - for some reason I sweat like a pit pony, and any jacket will induce perspiration at a horrendous rate.  I often come across people in the fells wearing jackets when I am in a base layer, and yet I feel the cold at home (weird).  However, the Lhotse is a truly great jacket and the pit zips are a great way of releasing steam  ;D .  Funnily I find it a much easier jacket to control my heat in in summer conditions than a much lighter Rab jacket. It is also far better at keeping out the rain!



I have successfully used my Lhotse for short runs in the rain, as well as for several hundred walks. A great jacket for serious use, yet pretty lightweight too.
Title: Re: Is any waterproof jacket truly waterproof?
Post by: richardh1905 on 16:14:39, 20/12/18
Thanks hot stuff  ;) :D

I'm looking at the names of the ME jackets for women. There is one called "havoc" and another called "quarrel"  :o :-\ :)


I couldn't possibly comment on the naming of the women's jackets.  :-X    ;)


I've just had a look on the Mountain Equipment website - the Manaslu is the women's equivalent of the men's Lhotse jacket that I have. 40 denier GoreTex Pro, and the same pockets. Heavily discounted at Gaynors, Ambleside: £263.99, which is a lot less than the normal price of £370 - and less than I paid!
Title: Re: Is any waterproof jacket truly waterproof?
Post by: pdstsp on 16:52:33, 20/12/18

I have successfully used my Lhotse for short runs in the rain, as well as for several hundred walks. A great jacket for serious use, yet pretty lightweight too.


100% agree.
Title: Re: Is any waterproof jacket truly waterproof?
Post by: Maggot on 22:11:25, 20/12/18

what you're really asking is - "why won't everyone please agree with meeee"!


No, what I am really thinking is "why are people explaining their very nice jackets are all completely waterproof, just before telling us where the water gets in"  ;D
Title: Re: Is any waterproof jacket truly waterproof?
Post by: jimbob on 22:22:01, 20/12/18

No, what I am really thinking is "why are people explaining their very nice jackets are all completely waterproof, just before telling us where the water gets in"  ;D
And this adds what to a very interesting, and to some of us,  important  topic. ?

We all know about necks and hand areas etc and wouldn't be so silly as to think those areas would be waterproof. What
we look for on this forum is solid critique based on real experience. Please note that in the main that is what contributors are doing.
Title: Re: Is any waterproof jacket truly waterproof?
Post by: pauldawes on 06:33:27, 21/12/18

No, what I am really thinking is "why are people explaining their very nice jackets are all completely waterproof, just before telling us where the water gets in"  ;D


What do you wear yourself when you go out in really bad weather for a long walk?
Title: Re: Is any waterproof jacket truly waterproof?
Post by: pdstsp on 08:07:30, 21/12/18
Well, on 30 November, maggot informed us that his Buffalo parka never let him get wet, in the Rab Latok v the rest thread. 
Title: Re: Is any waterproof jacket truly waterproof?
Post by: April on 08:35:06, 21/12/18
No, what I am really thinking is "why are people explaining their very nice jackets are all completely waterproof, just before telling us where the water gets in"  ;D

The only mention I see about "where the water gets in" in around the face? That would be the same with most jackets surely?  :-\

What has been helpful on the thread is people posting their experiences with jackets and what they have found to be the best or most waterproof. Perhaps you would like to join in more constructively and give some suggestions of what you wear, what brands you have found to be the best, like others have done?   :)

I am still itching to know what jackets the LD fell top assessors are wearing!

Thanks Richard for the tip about Gaynors. I might have a look in the sales after Christmas, if Santa is nice to me  :)
Title: Re: Is any waterproof jacket truly waterproof?
Post by: richardh1905 on 09:38:13, 21/12/18
The only mention I see about "where the water gets in" in around the face? That would be the same with most jackets surely?  :-\

I am still itching to know what jackets the LD fell top assessors are wearing!

Thanks Richard for the tip about Gaynors. I might have a look in the sales after Christmas, if Santa is nice to me  :)




It would be interesting to hear of a jacket that doesn't let water in around the face when you are heading into horizontal rain blown by a Force 9!
And it would be interesting to know what jackets they were using.

I hope that you have been good  ;D !
Title: Re: Is any waterproof jacket truly waterproof?
Post by: April on 13:56:30, 21/12/18
I hope that you have been good  ;D !

 :angel: :angel: :angel:

I have been trying to see the branding on the assessors jacket in the last few days on the twitter feed on Weatherline. It doesn't show the branding that I can see. Nor can I see a mention of what gear they wear.

Title: Re: Is any waterproof jacket truly waterproof?
Post by: Glyno on 15:12:32, 21/12/18
:angel: :angel: :angel:

I have been trying to see the branding on the assessors jacket in the last few days on the twitter feed on Weatherline.


Paramo?


http://www.lakedistrictweatherline.co.uk/blog/fell-top-assessors-job-explained
Title: Re: Is any waterproof jacket truly waterproof?
Post by: April on 15:54:05, 21/12/18
That is an old video when there were just 2 asessors. There are 3 now, Zac Poulton is on his 2nd year. Jon Bennett the assessor in the vid also has a Mountain Equipment jacket (see Dec 5 on twitter feed),  I think this week it has been Zac Poulton doing the assessments? I could be wrong though. The last pic of a jacket is a red one with a few blue patches on (see Dec 20 twitter feed).

We may never know!
Title: Re: Is any waterproof jacket truly waterproof?
Post by: gunwharfman on 16:11:45, 21/12/18
I'm never really sure of the answer, I often become confused with external rain and internal condensation.

I get wet when its windy and horizontal rain, even if I tighten my hood the rain always seems to seep in.
Title: Re: Is any waterproof jacket truly waterproof?
Post by: Glyno on 18:26:40, 21/12/18
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DtrIgGHXgAAK-Uu.jpg)


The jacket above (from Twitter Dec 5th) is a Mountain Equipment Lhotse
Title: Re: Is any waterproof jacket truly waterproof?
Post by: sussamb on 18:28:31, 21/12/18
 O0
Title: Re: Is any waterproof jacket truly waterproof?
Post by: Glyno on 18:50:10, 21/12/18
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Du3clw3XcAE78dm.jpg)


the jacket in this more recent (as in today) pic looks like a Mountain Hardware Exposure/2, though possibly custom made in Felltop Assessors choice of colour


https://www.mountainhardwear.com/mens-exposure-2-gore-tex-paclite-jacket-1828031.html?dwvar_1828031_variationColor=380#start=7
Title: Re: Is any waterproof jacket truly waterproof?
Post by: Glyno on 18:54:37, 21/12/18
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DtVoCRGXgAgTlPE.jpg)

the 'half-and-half' sleeves make me think Mountain Hardware
Title: Re: Is any waterproof jacket truly waterproof?
Post by: NeilC on 19:26:53, 21/12/18
That explains it then - all wearing Mountain Equipment jackets. No wonder he got soaked  ;)
Title: Re: Is any waterproof jacket truly waterproof?
Post by: Glyno on 20:11:49, 21/12/18
That explains it then - all wearing Mountain Equipment jackets. No wonder he got soaked  ;)


ahem, Mountain HARDWARE
Title: Re: Is any waterproof jacket truly waterproof?
Post by: Mel on 21:09:28, 21/12/18
No, what I am really thinking is "why are people explaining their very nice jackets are all completely waterproof, just before telling us where the water gets in"  ;D


The places where water gets in is where there is NO jacket.  So it's a bit pointless saying a jacket isn't waterproof when the places that let the water in aren't actually made out of anything. 


So, forgive me but, I'm struggling to understand how a jacket (made of real, actual material) -v- a hole (made of nothing, fresh air) is a fair comparison  :-\




Title: Re: Is any waterproof jacket truly waterproof?
Post by: April on 10:10:28, 22/12/18
Thanks Glyno, mystery solved  :)
Title: Re: Is any waterproof jacket truly waterproof?
Post by: richardh1905 on 11:04:00, 22/12/18

ahem, Mountain HARDWARE



Sorry to be a pedant, but it is actually Mountain Hardwear, Glyno.  ;)
Title: Re: Is any waterproof jacket truly waterproof?
Post by: Jim Parkin on 12:04:29, 22/12/18

The places where water gets in is where there is NO jacket.  So it's a bit pointless saying a jacket isn't waterproof when the places that let the water in aren't actually made out of anything. 


So, forgive me but, I'm struggling to understand how a jacket (made of real, actual material) -v- a hole (made of nothing, fresh air) is a fair comparison  :-\
Hello Mel, this is the internet.  I hope you'll enjoy it. 
Title: Re: Is any waterproof jacket truly waterproof?
Post by: Glyno on 12:37:58, 22/12/18

Sorry to be a pedant, but it is actually Mountain Hardwear, Glyno.  ;)


I know, I was just checking who was paying attention  ;)
Title: Re: Is any waterproof jacket truly waterproof?
Post by: richardh1905 on 13:48:13, 22/12/18

I know, I was just checking who was paying attention  ;)



Not many, apparently!  :D
Title: Re: Is any waterproof jacket truly waterproof?
Post by: ninthace on 14:03:31, 22/12/18

I know, I was just checking who was paying attention  ;)
Sorry I just put it down to poor spelling and ignored it.  ;)
Title: Re: Is any waterproof jacket truly waterproof?
Post by: pdstsp on 14:38:09, 22/12/18

I know, I was just checking who was paying attention  ;)


I just wasn't that bothered  :)



Title: Re: Is any waterproof jacket truly waterproof?
Post by: Glyno on 16:24:00, 23/12/18
me neither  :)