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personally i have no problem with sharing the great outdoors with others,
whether that be other walkers, bikers, horse riders, off road vehicles, or anyone else, as long as everyone is respectful of each other its fine,
however,
one thing does irritate me...
this guy sums it up very well, click on the link... :)
http://sdbwanderings.blogspot.co.uk/2014/05/summit-hogs-hiking-etiquette.html (http://sdbwanderings.blogspot.co.uk/2014/05/summit-hogs-hiking-etiquette.html)
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You forgot people who feel the need to shout and scream at each other and you can hear them a mile away :D
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I agree totally O0 damned inconsiderate some people >:(
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Seems like making a mountain out of a mole hill to me. ;)
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Absolutely agree, ignorant people unconcerned or even aware that others may want to 'share' a brief moment at the summit. Another thing is those who sit or stand on the summit cairn for a photo, thereby destroying it. The Kidsty Pike Cairn being a prime example. Coast to coasters and others no doubt to blame, why can't they simply stand next to it!
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Yes, the guy sums it up absolutely perfectly (and thanks for the link to a blog previously unknown to me, I shall enjoy reading it later). That was precisely my experience when I first made it to the summit of Glyder Fawr, which was a bucket list achievement for me. It has some similar-looking false tops but the highest one had a large group of about 14 adults sitting around the summit rocks and eating their sandwiches. No way did I want all those red and blue jackets in my photo, but nor did I want to hang about waiting for them to get up and go.
I guess they were of exactly the same mindset as some people I encountered in my town centre just two days ago (this should be in the small rants thread!). In Clinton Cards a couple in their late 60s were firmly planted in front of the section I went there to see, and totally ignored my arm reaching around them to pick out two or three cards, while the books I wanted to browse in Waterstones were in a bit of a corner where a smartly turned-out man of 70-ish was looking at the same section and stood his ground. Exactly the same selfish "I was here first" attitude. Now I was brought up to be polite, and if that was me I would have taken a step to one side so that we could share.
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So you want to share in Waterstones but not on the hill? I honestly don't mind if there is someone on top of the hill when I get there or if they want to eat their sarnies enjoying the view. Providing they don't block the path that is.
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I don't take many photos so my summit ritual is to simply touch the cairn, don't mind if anyone else is there.
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I honestly don't mind if there is someone on top of the hill when I get there or if they want to eat their sarnies enjoying the view. Providing they don't block the path that is.
That's exactly what this crowd were doing, they were perched all around the summit and there wasn't room for anyone else. If I had tried to go onto the top some of them would have had to shift out of the way to let me up. It's not as if they were just lingering, they were firmly planted and it was going to be a little while before they all finished their grub.
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Not some thing I have ever come across. I can see your point though, no need to hog the summit when there is useualy a very fine spot a few yards away often with better shelter.
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I don't take many photos so my summit ritual is to simply touch the cairn, don't mind if anyone else is there.
^^^ this ^^^
I tend to take more photos FROM the summit as opposed to OF the summit.
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Doesn't bother me really....life's too short!
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The summit slug is a poor creature, there rare physiology means the dry out if away from the tops too long, and wither and die ;D
They have to cling to there precarious existence, so lets be more tolerant!
Ray Mears did a documentery about them..........www.summittslugs.com
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Not exactly summit slugs, but I remember a few years ago my wife and I were doing the Ingleton waterfalls walk. We arrived at Thornton Force where there is a viewing area surrounded by a low wall. I wanted my wife to sit on the wall so that I could take a photo of her with the waterfall in the background, but there was a young couple sitting there. We waited patiently for them to move on, but they just continued sitting there. They could see that I was waiting to take a photo but just had a "we were here first" attitude. In the end we gave up and walked on.
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Why didn't you just politely ask them to move to allow you to take the photo? Whilst perhaps a little ignorant, they almost certainly weren't mind readers.....
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Met a gentleman today ensconced next to the top of West Mill Tor, can of refreshing beverage in one hand and scotch egg in the other. He looked very comfortable and asked me to take his picture which I was happy to do; before I climbed onto the top rock. Live and let live I say.
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Why didn't you just politely ask them to move to allow you to take the photo?
O0
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Why didn't you just politely ask them to move to allow you to take the photo? Whilst perhaps a little ignorant, they almost certainly weren't mind readers.....
I was standing there with the camera in my hand for some time, so it was quite obvious that I was waiting to take a photo. I didn't ask them to move because they looked the type who would have just given me a mouthful of abuse and I didn't think it was worth causing a fuss.
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Why didn't you just politely ask them to move to allow you to take the photo? Whilst perhaps a little ignorant, they almost certainly weren't mind readers.....
Exactly this. Why not just ask them? I doubt very much if they are deliberately owning the summit (or bookstore, or whatever) they just haven't given it a thought.
I'm sure you'd have a lot more success than trying to get a yakking party to restore peace to the countryside!
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Life really is just too short. Get over it!
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The thing that baffled me most was the guy's assertion that the only enjoyable part of the walk was the few "precious moments" at the very summit...that all the rest was an unrewarding trudge.
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I would suggest the author of the article applies a "Trump" solution to the problem.Walkers have poles,there are often rocks on the ground.Grow a pair and clear the summit by the use of force! Never let any tinpot,orange clad figure get in the way of that important photo opportunity. ;)
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I find one of the simplest ways to get summit slugs out of my summit photo is to ask one of them to take a picture of me on the summit. As a general rule, the rest of the group obligingly move out of the way for the photo and I get my trophy pic! A reciprocal offer to take a pic of their group enjoying the day and a bit of chat about the views/weather/route and no harm done, and off I trot to find a sheltered spot for my summit sarnie.
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"Summit slugs" This amazes me! Arrogance by all posters. Get a life >:( Just because a group wants to have lunch on a summit? If you are that bothered go to somewhere you will not meet others ;D . Plenty of wilderness in the UK. Just look, rant over :)
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"Summit slugs" This amazes me! Arrogance by all posters. Get a life >:( Just because a group wants to have lunch on a summit? If you are that bothered go to somewhere you will not meet others ;D . Plenty of wilderness in the UK. Just look, rant over :)
And we're arrogant? ;) :)
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There have been some interesting responses ;D
And an aggressive and quite rude response :( Get a life? Get some manners!
Perhaps the people who think that getting a shot of the summit without other folk in the picture is not important are the people who sit on the summits themselves without a thought or care that other people might like to have a bit of summit time? Just because you think it isn't important please think about the people who do think it is important.
When we have asked people to move so we can take a pic we have got an aggressive and unpleasant response so we don't bother anymore. We now have a laugh with the people who hog the summit (or bridge or waterfall) and take our pictures pointing the camera directly at them and it gives us a lot of satisfaction when they start to look uncomfortable. Afterwards we still can't believe that they don't think to move for a few seconds so we can get a photo without them in the frame. It isn't rocket science :D
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As I have said many times before on this site for me variety is the spice of life, yes there is nothing wrong with a PURE landscape.....BUT.....I also like people and action shots.
So if folks are around me in the hills I just use them as subjects..........
It does not always work....BUT.....often adding an ACTION shot of a person to an average landscape can make it into a comp entry or even winner.
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That's all fair enough but the point here is surely that the summit is a small area within a much larger one, but that it is generally the aim of those who set off to climb that particular mountain. Surely people understand that it is often an important part of the enjoyment to allow those who attain the summit to enjoy it as their summit for a few moments. It is probably less important to anyone to eat lunch etc on the actual summit, an act which denies that moment of enjoyment to others.
Personally I generally walk solo and often very early so I tend to get quite a lot of summits to myself and I do like some of those views and photos uncluttered.
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Why didn't you just politely ask them to move to allow you to take the photo? Whilst perhaps a little ignorant, they almost certainly weren't mind readers.....
Or very perceptive, it's only a matter of being aware and not being selfish.
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Completely agree. It's up there with climbing a mountain to take a photo only to discover some antisocial person in BRIGHT ORANGE is hiking across the view, or worse yet, has pitched their BRIGHT ORANGE tent in the middle of the landscape.
J
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heres a lovely pic of Brock Crags summit
complete with Summit Slugs :crazy2:
(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2839/34117381555_4a59e0b174_m.jpg)
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lol, they get everywhere ;D
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I get really annoyed when having taken the train to the top of Snowdon I find the summit full of people in walking gear that I never even saw on the train >:(
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I get really annoyed when having taken the train to the top of Snowdon I find the summit full of people in walking gear that I never even saw on the train >:(
;D ;D ;D
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I get really annoyed when having taken the train to the top of Snowdon I find the summit full of people in walking gear that I never even saw on the train >:(
;D ;D ;D Brilliant :)
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heres a lovely shot of Slater Bridge with this weeks "Bridge Barnacles" ;D
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4160/34115378591_901f4bd085_m.jpg)
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At this rate we'll end up being paranoid in case we sit in the wring place!
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Or even the wrong place!,
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I did the Devil's Pulpit bit of Offa's Dyke a while back. Took my nephews and the dog.
The Devil's pulpit is the centre-piece of the walk and as such, the point of much annoyance as the viewing place is very small.
So, being the all around good guy that I am, I moved along about 100 yards to another spot with a nice view, one of many.
I had my hands full cooking an over-complicated fry up for all.
A hiking family, about 8 in total walked up, and seemed to be walking on after a cursory "hello". Somebody made a friendly comment and I mentioned that the Devil's Pulpit is just a bit further and the view is amazing.
So, some chap in his early 40's, kind of middle-manager rugby type, gets a bit animated and says "I think we'll sit here actually". I got the impression he thought I was ushering them off to a poorer spot.....as if I can be bothered to run manipulative games with random people on a national trust walk!
So, the whole lot sat down and made it super awkward. I was trying to keep the dog and the nephews quiet and happy whilst rubbing knees with a random family. There was not a lot of interaction, it wasn't like they sat there to talk to us.
There were 2 similar spots down the way that would have done.
I can't remember how it happened but he also made a comment about me having lots of bacon.
Some people just are never, ever "off" and are always keeping an eye on what they can get/having the best of everything.
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At this rate we'll end up being paranoid in case we sit in the wrong place!
Don't be paranoid, just be aware if you are sitting on an iconic bridge with lots of tourists about with cameras at the ready they want to take a photo. :)
This is Slater Bridge. I am nicer than that awful beefy. I have cropped the pic to remove the people ;)
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2845/34116591121_82f3e2f553_z.jpg) (http://)
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A hiking family, about 8 in total walked up...
So, the whole lot sat down and made it super awkward.....
There were 2 similar spots down the way that would have done.
We call these space invaders :)
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We call these space invaders :)
...and what do we do with space invaders? Where's my lazer gun....oh right, not invented. Hey ho, shotgun it is!
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Don't be paranoid, just be aware if you are sitting on an iconic bridge with lots of tourists about with cameras at the ready they want to take a photo. :)
This is Slater Bridge. I am nicer than that awful beefy. I have cropped the pic to remove the people ;)
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2845/34116591121_82f3e2f553_z.jpg) (http://)
I propose that all shot hoggers, bridge barnacles, slugs et al be photoshopped into compromising situations in order to provide a deterrent and prevent further offending.
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I propose that all shot hoggers, bridge barnacles, slugs et al be photoshopped into compromising situations in order to provide a deterrent and prevent further offending.
Please, please, don't give beefy any ideas ;D
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Please, please, don't give beefy any ideas ;D
Oh I've got plenty of those already ;D
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and this weeks award goes to this prize turkey,
he couldnt wait 2 mins while i had my summit moment,
unfortunately with trying to rush, i forgot to focus the drone,
which means you good people all miss out on a fly over and
360 view of haystacks summit and surrounding views ... >:(
congratulations...
youve earned your place on here... >:D
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4177/34409033526_bec71e875c_m.jpg)
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No slugs on my summit AGAIN I think you you two are just going to the wrong places
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We were looking down on a tall slim blond lady on a col maybe 300 metres away, it was a bit like that Chandler quote, from 30 yards she looked real class, from 300 metres it looked like something of Baywatch.
She knew we were watching her cos she posed running her fingers thro her long hair several times.
Then she changed her top, that got my my mate rummaging thro his sac for the binos, the language was bad when he realised he had left em behind!!!!!!!!
Are you sure your going to the right places Beefy?
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How's this I got "video bombed" >:(
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4761/28369398199_128b4fafec_z.jpg) (http://)
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lol.... you have to commend peoples' situational awareness and (dis)regard for others :D
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I think she's trying to hold Beefy's hand there.
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He goes out without me and has all these women trying to chat him up :D
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lol.... you have to commend peoples' situational awareness and (dis)regard for others :D
Totally oblivious I think :-\
I think she's trying to hold Beefy's hand there.
She was probably swooning over me it happens a lot ;D
He goes out without me and has all these women trying to chat him up :D
Well you can't blame them really can you ;D
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I noticed the same guy has put another post on his blog about this topic. It’s called ‘An Ode to the Summit Slug’ and its hilarious. Definitely worth a read, and I agree with him 100%. Slugs are a pain the a**e. It wont let me post an external link but if you go back to start of this thread and click the blog link - he’s added the new post to the bottom his page - highlighted in pink.
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I noticed the same guy has put another post on his blog about this topic. It’s called ‘An Ode to the Summit Slug’ and its hilarious. Definitely worth a read, and I agree with him 100%. Slugs are a pain the a**e. It wont let me post an external link but if you go back to start of this thread and click the blog link - he’s added the new post to the bottom his page - highlighted in pink.
Here it is
http://sdbwanderings.blogspot.com/2020/05/an-ode-to-summit-slug.html (http://sdbwanderings.blogspot.com/2020/05/an-ode-to-summit-slug.html)
Video
https://youtu.be/9nb-YngP75c (https://youtu.be/9nb-YngP75c)
Excellent 😁
I doubt anything will change where summit slugs are concerned, judging by the walk I did today, most people observed the two metre distancing, moving over to one side as I moved over to the other when we passed,however a lot of them walked past me as if they never heard of covid 19, unbelievable,
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Brilliant poem O0 ;D
I wanted to get a shot of the boulders called Pots and Pans, no chance, people slugging on it! Can we have an easier walk next time beefy, I'm bleddy knackered, I'm not used to going up hills these days ;)
On the M60 bit coming back there were "Reports of animals" and the speed signs were saying 60mph. Didn't see any animals so it was disappointing really :D
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I wanted to get a shot of the boulders called Pots and Pans, no chance, people slugging on it! Can we have an easier walk next time beefy,
If it is cookware you are after, there is a Kettle Stone at NZ 00440 08016 and about 100m SW there is a Frying Pan Stone. I guarantee you will have those to yourself.
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If it is cookware you are after, there is a Kettle Stone at NZ 00440 08016 and about 100m SW there is a Frying Pan Stone. I guarantee you will have those to yourself.
Cheers ninthace, beefy that is our next walk sorted then if that is nearby, I haven't a clue!
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Cheers ninthace, beefy that is our next walk sorted then if that is nearby, I haven't a clue!
That's near Bowes kirkby stephen
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That's near Bowes kirkby stephen
Its in Arkengarthdale on Faggergill Moor. There is a possible wild camping spot near the old mine workings. My route was:
https://osmaps.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/route/3273867/160506-Faggergill-Mines
There is more info here
https://becausetheyrethere.com/2014/11/07/faggergill-out-of-the-fryingpan-into-the-mire/
and
https://www.aditnow.co.uk/Photos/Mine/Faggergill-Lead-Mine_3177/ (https://www.aditnow.co.uk/Photos/Mine/Faggergill-Lead-Mine_3177/)
https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/5857844 (https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/5857844)
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We can only do local (to beefy) walks under the present climate but one for the future, thanks ninthace O0
Interesting blogger :)
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Yes. The story of the mines caught my eye. It would have to wait until things are more normal.
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Here it is
http://sdbwanderings.blogspot.com/2020/05/an-ode-to-summit-slug.html (http://sdbwanderings.blogspot.com/2020/05/an-ode-to-summit-slug.html)
Video
https://youtu.be/9nb-YngP75c (https://youtu.be/9nb-YngP75c)
Excellent 😁
I doubt anything will change where summit slugs are concerned, judging by the walk I did today, most people observed the two metre distancing, moving over to one side as I moved over to the other when we passed,however a lot of them walked past me as if they never heard of covid 19, unbelievable,
I arrived at the summit of Yes tor yesterday just as two fell runners were departing and a large family group was arriving. The family group saw me coming up and waited even calling their little girl back to them away from the summit as soon as they spotted I was waiting. I thanked them touched the trig point and jogged off toward High Willhays. A lot of people out on the moor Yesterday. I spotted dozens, which is busy for Dartmoor.
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Yes. The story of the mines caught my eye. It would have to wait until things are more normal.
I do like poking around old mines.
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I arrived at the summit of Yes tor yesterday just as two fell runners were departing and a large family group was arriving. The family group saw me coming up and waited even calling their little girl back to them away from the summit as soon as they spotted I was waiting. I thanked them touched the trig point and jogged off toward High Willhays. A lot of people out on the moor Yesterday. I spotted dozens, which is busy for Dartmoor.
Good that some people behave in a sensible and courteous manner - I'm sure that the vast majority do, but it is the ones who don't that we tend to remember.
I often skip the trig point or summit cairn of a peak if it is crowded - did so when we climbed Ben Nevis as the summit platform was mobbed.
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Good that some people behave in a sensible and courteous manner - I'm sure that the vast majority do, but it is the ones who don't that we tend to remember.
I often skip the trig point or summit cairn of a peak if it is crowded - did so when we climbed Ben Nevis as the summit platform was mobbed.
Ben Nevis, Scar-fell Pike and Snowdon, where each deserted at the time I first visited. Neither have I any idea of the view from any of them. Just turn up in what others consider awful weather, you can have the place to yourself every time.
A question that fits this thread. If you can have only one or the other. Would you chose a crowded route in the sunshine or the silent solitude of a mizzley day, when few will venture out. I sat at Cranmere pool for a butty break yesterday. Beautiful sunny day. A have sat at the same spot in pea soup fog a number of times and to be honest I enjoy both in equal measure. O0
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Having read John Hillaby's experiences with Cranmere Pool, I think I would probably avoid it either way. Actually I agree with you when it comes to low level walks, they can be lovely in the mist, but when it comes to climbing up things I like to see something from the top, reward for effort and all that.
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I much prefer solitude in rain than the company of many in bright sunshine. Mist and bad weather can have a lot going for it. I have summited Snowdon at 0500 during the week and watched the sun rise over a cloud inversion. The route up was in thick mist, but there was no one outside my small group on the mountain. We had the bonus of an empty descent of Crib Goch and its north ridge on the way down. I have been on Hellvellyn summit on Easter Saturday and shared the top only with my walking companion. The weather was horrendous, with a screaming gale and a whiteout, but it was good to have the mountain to ourselves.
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....A question that fits this thread. If you can have only one or the other. Would you chose a crowded route in the sunshine or the silent solitude of a mizzley day, when few will venture out.
At the moment? Crowds. Lots and lots of people. Even the annoying ones with screaming, disrespectful, out of control kids. Never thought I'd hear myself saying this but I miss being around people.
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I have summited Snowdon at 0500 during the week and watched the sun rise over a cloud inversion. The route up was in thick mist, but there was no one outside my small group on the mountain. We had the bonus of an empty descent of Crib Goch and its north ridge on the way down.
Now that sounds like the perfect way to summit any mountain. 8) O0
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Having read John Hillaby's experiences with Cranmere Pool, I think I would probably avoid it either way. Actually I agree with you when it comes to low level walks, they can be lovely in the mist, but when it comes to climbing up things I like to see something from the top, reward for effort and all that.
I take your point on climbing up things for the view.
As for Cranmere pool I gather Mr Hillaby came a cropper there about. For me it's a magical silent oasis of calm. For others a desolate patch of soggy peat bog in the middle of no where.
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I've come across a few summit slugs. When I reach the summit I like to be able to take a quick photo. I will stand there patiently waiting for them to finish what they are doing so I can take a few photos. However I have come across a few ignorant slugs who will just sit at the cairn with no intention of moving. If they are that ignorant then I am too and let my large dog on a loser lead and I will stand at the cairn regardless of where they are sat for a photo with my dog walking on them O0 .
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Nobody but the landowner owns a summit and everybody who gets there has the right to sit, enjoy the view or eat their sandwiches or whatever (within the bounds of human decency). I for one am happy to be in anyone's picture.
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Nobody but the landowner owns a summit and everybody who gets there has the right to sit, enjoy the view or eat their sandwiches or whatever (within the bounds of human decency). I for one am happy to be in anyone's picture.
Well personally if I'm at a summit I will move on if others want a photograph at the Trig for instance. Many do without issue apart from the slugs.
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Well personally if I'm at a summit I will move on if others want a photograph at the Trig for instance. Many do without issue apart from the slugs.
So would I, temporarily, if asked nicely, but this forum is the only place I have ever heard the term "summit slug" and I have never had a problem sharing my "moment of triumph" - it is not Everest for heaven's sake and I have never had the urge to claim sole rights, even for the duration of a photograph.
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Good manners would make me move out of their way.
I would offer to take their photo and have done so a few times in the past on Ronas hill, which is the only hill in Shetland that I can recall sharing the summit on.
I have shared a few summits South, the most recent being the Ben last year, which I gather is always busy. Although to give them their due people took turns getting their photo's taking on the Trig point and the shelter. They then dispersed to admire the views.
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Yep. Hate this too.
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Never really understood why this gets people so exercised. I suppose it’s because I have no interest in a collection of trig point/cairn photos. The best view at the summit is not the summit.
I manage to avoid this terrible behaviour though. After a brief trip to the top it always seems sensible to drop a few metres off the summit to find a spot out of the inevitable wind.
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Yep. Hate this too.
And welcome to this fine forum Frank. A place of calm considered discussion, with not a summit slug in sight. :)
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I walked over to cathedral quarry. My dodgy knee still playing up so unfortunately I'm onto the baby walks which do have more visitors. Slaters Bridge is beautiful especially in Autum and winter. Lots of people wanted photos of the bridge. Unbelievably a family sat on the bridge to have a picnic. I was flabbergasted. If anyone is familiar there are plenty of places to sit around there never mind on the only route in from Little Langdale. This family had no intention of moving. It was a wet day and I had to get over with my dogs. They made no attempt to move nor for other people crossing. It was a close squeeze so a muzzled one of my dogs as he's not a people person that close. I bumped into a photographer who was waiting for a photo who had stood waiting 15 minutes for a shot of the bridge. Some people have no etiquette.
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We call them Bridge Barnacles ;)
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Saw someone park their huge Mercedes on Ashness Bridge and then get out and take photos.
I think giving them silly names and making a joke of it stops me getting grumpy, or more grumpy than usual anyway.
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I think giving them silly names and making a joke of it stops me getting grumpy, or more grumpy than usual anyway.
:) It is nice to have a good grump. But really, sitting on Slater Bridge!!! Unbelievable!!
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Saw someone park their huge Mercedes on Ashness Bridge and then get out and take photos.
I think giving them silly names and making a joke of it stops me getting grumpy, or more grumpy than usual anyway.
I can't believe people actually do things like that.
(https://i.postimg.cc/TY2XdfTD/46.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/QVzzSL98)
I mean why get out of a nice warm car, when you can ask your wife to. ;)
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Pretty bridge. shame the car photobombed the picture ;D
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Pretty bridge. shame the car photobombed the picture ;D
My felocity is, if you going to photobomb an amazing view. Then do it properly. O0
(https://i.postimg.cc/SQ6fL7Gh/Zed-Culins-Crop.png) (https://postimages.org/)
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My felocity is, if you going to photobomb an amazing view. Then do it properly. O0
Those are some serious looking crags, there. Scotland I take it?
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Those are some serious looking crags, there. Scotland I take it?
The Black Cullins. Oh to be there right now.
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The Black Cullins. Oh to be there right now.
At, that makes sense! I really need to go to Skye at some point.
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I always laugh to myself when reading the title 'Summit Slugs', it reminds me of all the big black slugs I encountered going up the Cheviot!