@ pdstsp - it was a super viewpoint and lots of places to pitch
@ photonut - the family from hell will most likely be in the Coniston area this weekend
@ pleb - ignore the sentence above
@ WR - yes, most of the world couldn't hear them I suppose
They shouldn't allow the public on public transport, they spoil it for everyone else! 
in contrast, the journey coming back was fine. Nobody else on the 516 and all quiet and free from bruises on the 555
