@GWM - Yeah, I'm thinking one of everything (except socks, ye need spare dry socks) will suffice for a couple of nights camp. Might need extra boxers when I tackle the WHW though. lol
@richard - I'll have a wee look at your report later, thanks.
I'm still no nearer a decision but did manage to find out that both my favourites can probably be pitched outer first due to the way they join the fly sheet. I'm assuming it'll be a simple case of clipping them onto something as I've seen on pitching vids for other models.
I done some cursory research into the poles on the Makalu as well, Yunan seem to get a good press so I'd be happy enough risking the gothic arch thing. But thanks for drawing my attention to it.
I'm now trying to work out which of the two have the steeper sides. The Makalu (from the photo) seems to come up a little way before curving to the top, but it's not as high as the Helm. The Helm seems to curve up more or less from the floor, but it's height might lessen the angle (if my long forgotten physics...or maths is correct).
A decent pitching vid of the Makalu would help me! As a consequence, even though I reckon it looks tougher the fact I could get a tent half the price plus a half decent sleep system for the same weight looks like winning the argument. I just wish I knew if the Helm could be pitched outer first as well as both together (keeping the interior dry would be so much easier if it were), that could probably settle it once and for all.
The packed length is not an issue now, only the Nordisk would be substantially smaller.
As for food, yeah I'd be happy enough with cold sausage etc....or a huge slab of cheese!
But, I need my tea through the day and coffee in the morning. But I'll happily eat out of the pot so I've saved on the weight of a bowl already.
@Alen - Thanks for posting it up, nice to see what the weight you mention looks like, I appreciate it.
I'll have a look at the sleep system, stove etc later. I felt the hubba hubba wasn't for me (inner pitch first) but that looks a cracking tent for the money.