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See the following. I see that Pavel is in again as well as Eoin Keith and Tom Hollins - last years 1st male. I wonder if Pavel is "just" going for the win this year or to set a new record - or both. Looks very competitive again!
https://thespinerace.com/rosters/
Carol Morgan, last years 1st female is also in again. Good luck to all and great respect to all for taking up this challenge.
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No Dixie this year?
If I remember correctly, were the rules going to be amended for this year so that people would only be "supported" at the check points and nowhere else? I seem to remember the winner last year being supported so this should make things a bit more even. A few familiar names.
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No supported racers this year, wonder how that will affect Tom Hollins?
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Lots of UK competitors as you would expect but 1 from Indonesia. He may be a random person that I choose to follow.
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Lots of UK competitors as you would expect but 1 from Indonesia. He may be a random person that I choose to follow.
yes, shall the forum choose him as our "chosen one"? :D
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Next years race might be the toughest since 2013.The long range forecast is for a very cold January.
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It should be a very competitive race at the sharp end.
Tom Hollins, Pavel Paloncy, Eon Keith, Eugenie Rossell, Carol Morgan and Dragons Back & recent Cheviot Goat Ultra winner Jim Mann. I think Jim is going to take some beating. Another one to watch and previous Spine competitor and going even stronger this year is Offa's Dyke Ultra winner Greg Crowley, Tom Hollins came a few hours second.
I am race number 176 and just hoping to finish so I wont be seeing any of the above after the start.
Cold is good and preferable to wet, the worst is cold and wet.
There is already a short detour on Kinder Scout taking us more to the left (West) avoiding the more boggy area.
There is also likely to be more diversions avoiding very wet farmers fields (complaints this year) in certain places before Malham, especially approaching Gargrave.
Its certainly a different race compared to the early 3 years (2012, 2013, 2014) with intermediate CP's and cafes etc opening up for 3 days solid day and night especially for runners. I aim to try and avoid using them, going back to my similar tactics of 2014.
It is unsupported for everyone and how Ive always done it, however with the above there is extra 'official' support.
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Good luck Dave. I'm sure as before they'll be many here watching your progress with interest. How the hell you guys manage it I don't know, I was pretty much wiped out having taken just over 14 days this year in relatively good weather O0
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Good luck Dave. Hope you stay injury free this year in the run up to the race.
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Good luck Dave.Are you the oldest git in the race? ;)
My money is on Eoin,provided he dosen't fall over again.He ran the entire length of Ireland last May in record breaking time,something like 300 miles in three days. :o
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Thanks for the best wishes. Training as such hasn't happened, in fact not done much at all this year. I had a failed attempt at a non stop Dales Way, but still managed 65 miles in 23 hours, a failed Offa's Dyke Ultra managing 70 miles in 25 hours then carried after a rest with a 38 miles in around 15 hours. A few 25 milers and many 4 and 5 milers. That spread over the last year, not done anything for a couple of weeks, been too busy with work and too knacked to train afterwards.
3/4 stone above my 'fighting' weight and failing at shedding any of it, so going to do the marathon last 7 days diet, that I used to do before road marathons and hopefully get rid of a few pounds.
Injuries have again gone from one to the other without any of them clearing completely, but I won't bore you with them and just hope for the best.
This is most likely going to be my last competitive event, but I will still continue to attempt my own non stoppers like I always have done.
Slowing down, I am, it has taken me a long time to accept that fact, but things are definitely becoming harder and harder as I try to continue being as active as possible.
Don't expect me to be anywhere other than near the back of the field, especially during the early miles of stage one. Hopefully I will be able to use my experience to work my way through. My target for CP1 will be sub 18 hours and if I get to CP2 Hawes inside of 55 hours after having some reasonable sleep, I will be going well. CP1 in more than 19 hours and CP2 Hawes outside of 56 hours and I will be struggling.
Unlike this year I won't be having around 6 pints of Guinness in the Ramblers followed by around 6 bottles of beer back at the YHA the night before, missing my alarm, waking up 15 minutes before the time I was picking the other Chorley lads up, to take them to the start. No time for foot preparation, absolutely dehydrated with a slight hangover! Talk about taking it seriously!
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Good luck with it, Slogger, we will all be willing you on.
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Good luck with it, Slogger, we will all be willing you on.
From our armchair - good luck. Don't push yourself too much - I know you won't take any notice!
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Cheers!
tonyk, yes I am the oldest git again! Trying once more to set an all time over 70's FKT (Fastest Known {verified}Time) In fact as far as I am aware there has only ever been one other over 60's starter for the Winter Spine. That was in 2015, he was 64 years and did finish (with some assistance) however that race was officially put down as an exception, as due to strong winds, Pen Y Ghent, and Cross Fell were diverted around and the Holds at two CP's were that long it became a stage race with everyone re-starting at the same time when released.
Another 71 year old started the Summer Spine Fusion but was tailed off that much he stopped around Thornton, before Gargrave.
Hopefully as years go by more over 60's will have a crack.
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Good luck, we'll all be following you from the warmth of our sofas.
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Dave,there was a guy in the 2013 race who was 73 but from what I can recall he didn't make CP1,retired somewhere near Harrop Dale.
Red jacket and blue pack on the right.Perhaps you remember him as it was a small field,at least compared to the size of the field over the last few years.
(https://scontent.flhr3-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/481349_400835760004125_437341797_n.jpg?oh=5ded308f7aad34a931b1fb6d2a459c17&oe=5AB3B0D3)
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Good Luck Slogger :)
Don't why you guys do it but thank heavens you do so the rest of us don't feel obliged to try. :o
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Good luck Dave and anyone else on the forum doing it. I enjoy following this each year, more so now I’ve actually walked it, but I can only imagine the conditions and taking less than a week to do it! Always something to look forward to after the Christmas celebrations! :D
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An inspiration to all, good luck Dave you can do it.
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Id like to say thanks to reading sloggers blogs a few times each that he inspires me to try and attempt this great race before i'm 45, well i've just turned 41 and i have just been for my first run/plod tonight so ok a long way to go but there's a passion burning in my heart and its thanks to all those that do this great race and whose blogs i read that gives me inspiration.
Very best of luck dave!
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Thanks for the best wishes everyone, much appreciated. I have decided that I will try and raise some funds for Prostrate cancer research, following the recent passing of my brother in law and the fact that the guy who gave up his place in the Spine race for me, has in the last few months been diagnosed, operated on and been given the all clear but still receiving after care treatment for Prostrate cancer.
Tonyk, Yes I know the guy he was in fact 68 years, a member of the LDWA. Some time later he asked me if Id like to partner in long distance events, I agreed but have not heard from him since.
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Be sure to post a link on here to your fundraising page Dave.
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I will post the live tracking link soon, my number is 176.
Here is the link to my Just Giving page. Thank you very much, Dave.
https://www.justgiving.com/fundraising/dave-lee-spine-race (https://www.justgiving.com/fundraising/dave-lee-spine-race)
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Just as well it didn't start earlier, 100 mph winds across Great Dun Fell last night!
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Very excited to follow this year's race and good luck to Dave.
One interesting development this year is the number of runners from this year's and last year's Tor des Geants (also sponsored by Montane). The 2016 winner (Oliviero Bosatelli)is running, and there are a couple of women (Daphne Derouche and Harrier Kjaer) who were in the top 20 females in the 2017 race. Will be really interesting to see how they fare against runners who have more experience of Pennine Way type conditions!
I'll be cheering on Jim Mann and Carol Morgan though :)
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Coverage from last year's race via headcam.Slogger at Torside CP (11min)?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDZfyfbXfeo
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This looks like the tracker site:-
http://live.thespinerace.com/
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I see it starts as a front brings heavy rain followed by wintry showers and gales apparently...not for the faint hearted ???
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Sarah Pitht sofa support is in place.
Really hope it goes well Slogger, from start to finish. I’ve got everything crossed for you. Plus looking forward to monitoring the leaders, their tactics etc.
I’ve just clicked on the tracker link and then on the pin - I love the effect of them all spiralling out!
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Thanks everyone for your best wishes, not long now to Sunday.
The Challenger which finishes a bit further along at Hardraw this year, starts at 8am Saturday, whilst the Spine race starts at 8am Sunday.
Live Tracker (will be updated to this years race before the start).
http://map.opentracking.co.uk/spinerace17/map.htm (http://map.opentracking.co.uk/spinerace17/map.htm)
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Already have a shortcut on my desktop. Best of luck Dave O0
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Dave I hope it all goes well for you this year. Good luck
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I see it starts as a front brings heavy rain followed by wintry showers and gales apparently...not for the faint hearted ???
The forecast has improved.Snow and -3 on Fountains Hell on Tuesday evening with winds of 55mph.Good luck to everyone taking part in this barmy race.
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Was snow on Fountains Hell what you might call a Freudian typo?
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It'll certainly feel like the opposite of hell in those temps/winds .... bloody cold ;)
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Can't believe how excited i am to be dot watching, makes me wish i was unemployed for the week!! ;D
Would love to be lining up on that start line one day!
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Was snow on Fountains Hell what you might call a Freudian typo?
Quite possibly considering I suffered hypothermia in said place in July! As for being up there at nightime in mid-January......I will firmly stick to watching orange dots on maps.
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Extremely tempted to go to the start on sunday, has anyone any experience of going and is it a mare to park? Also how long will it take them to get to snake pass? Fancy going up devils dike for a watch on some technical muddy sections and wondered roughly how long a wait i'd have! O0
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Well the challenger race is underway and they are starting to spread out, Jacobs Ladder will stretch out a few more! It is a good idea to start the two races a day apart but I would have liked the Main race to start first and see whether any of the Challengers could have caught up before they reached Hardraw.
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Does anyone know why the Challenger finish has been moved to Hardraw this year?
And I wonder if this means that the Hawes CP has been moved to Hardraw too...
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Not sure why they have moved the Challenger finish but perhaps it is the amount of room required to accommodate both races. The Hawes CP for the full Spiners remains at Hawes, from their website:-
"Fields and lanes have to be navigated on the edge of Hawes, then (for full Spiners) a sprint down the high street, west, towards CP2 at the YHA. Spine Challengers have another 2km to the finish in Hardraw. Cross the high street and follow markers on some short road sections and through fields, to the race finish in tiny Hardraw."
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Extremely tempted to go to the start on sunday, has anyone any experience of going and is it a mare to park? Also how long will it take them to get to snake pass? Fancy going up devils dike for a watch on some technical muddy sections and wondered roughly how long a wait i'd have! O0
No experience with the parking on race day but it should take the leaders around 2 hours to reach the snake road.The Challenger started around an hour ago and the leaders are now close to Mill Hill (0920).
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Already have a shortcut on my desktop.
Glad I’m not the only one who does this!
Just realised we are visiting my daughter next weekend so I will be severely restricted on the amount of “dotwatching” I can do right at the end! >:(
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This challenger race puts me in my place. :D The two front runners are averaging over 5mph! Beats my average of 1 :(
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Don't feel too bad I think that they are "ONLY" going at 4 mph now! So where will the leaders be when the Spiners start tomorrow - I thought Malham at the start but could the leaders will be on the way to Horton?
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Don't feel too bad I think that they are "ONLY" going at 4 mph now! So where will the leaders be when the Spiners start tomorrow - I thought Malham at the start but could the leaders will be on the way to Horton?
I live near the PW. Heading up to Pinhaw Beacon tonight to watch them through. But can't work out when they will arrive. :D
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That is about 62 miles from the start so I guess they will be there very late this evening if averaging 4 mph. However the winner last year took 28 hours to get to Hawes i.e. 106 miles so you may be spending the night up there however, from memory, the conditions were particularly bad last year. So keep a look out on the tracker nearer the time.
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Either the route has eased or they have sped up (or I calculated wrongly last time) but I make it that they are going at over 5mph. Just over 28 miles in 5 1/2 hours!
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Either the route has eased or they have sped up (or I calculated wrongly last time) but I make it that they are going at over 5mph. Just over 28 miles in 5 1/2 hours!
;D Yes over 5mph. Following using memory map. They have averaged 4.91 mph overalll Not bad ::)
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How is it that these guys will get to Hawes in 1 day and it took me a week? :-[
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How is it that these guys will get to Hawes in 1 day and it took me a week? :-[
"One of the guys at the front,Simon Bourne is a former Decaman world champion......760 lengths of a swimming pool,around 1250 miles cycling with around 250 miles of running to finish it off".
Says it all really if correct. The record could be well broken even with the extra mile or two. Plus his "running partner" seems no slouch. ::)
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How is it that these guys will get to Hawes in 1 day and it took me a week? :-[
Took me two days to get to Hebden, they'll be there shortly and they've only been going for 8 hours!
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Took me two days to get to Hebden, they'll be there shortly and they've only been going for 8 hours!
Was that 2 days to get to Hebden after starting from Kirk Yetholm! ;D
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The leaders are slowing slightly in the dark. ;D Now down to 4.84 mph. ::)
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How is it that these guys will get to Hawes in 1 day and it took me a week? :-[
Lycra tends to give the walker a lower drag coefficent. ;)
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It could be the climb out of Hebden Bridge that is slowing them to under 5 mph. However they can't be tired as they have only been going 9 hours!
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Was that 2 days to get to Hebden after starting from Kirk Yetholm! ;D
I wish ;D
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No experience with the parking on race day but it should take the leaders around 2 hours to reach the snake road.The Challenger started around an hour ago and the leaders are now close to Mill Hill (0920).
Wow doesn't give me much time to get from the start round to snake pass does it!
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Be positive Jon, about 19.5 hours for likes of us O0. Doesn't sound so bad
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I live near the PW. Heading up to Pinhaw Beacon tonight to watch them through. But can't work out when they will arrive. :D
It's about time you set off.
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The slowest guy has taken nearly 15 hours to the M62? Am I right? There is hope for us all :D
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It's about time you set off.
:D This was a right cockup intending to meet them at Thornton. :D Got there and waited an hour and a quarter and no sign. Thought they had done a Pav last year and headed down the road to Elslack! So walked home low and behold got in to the house and they arrived where I had been sitting at the same time as I arrived home :-[
Must be slowing up now. :o
Just realised the diversion @ East Marton along the canal and road to Gargrave. Cannot see why as the official route isn't that boggy. :o
Try again tomorrow at Pinhaw and sit there for hours if necessary. ;D
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Try again tomorrow at Pinhaw and sit there for hours if necessary. ;D
And this is the time when you turn up just as the last person has scampered past ;)
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And this is the time when you turn up just as the last person has scampered past ;)
No chance. ;D ;D ;D Might even take my tent to make sure I don't miss 'em. ;)
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Third place 372 Ian Magee has taken the wrong route!! There is a diversion there along the canal and road to Gargrave. He has kept to the official PW. Hopefully he will not be penalised.
6;00AM. So did the fourth placed the phenomenal lady 354 Emma Hopkinson who seems to be pulling back the above's lead over her.. Brilliant. O0
Quite a few others sticking to the official PW not the diversion. Don't blame them a bit shorter. ;D
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Up early and eager to go to watch the start, only an hour n half drive. The leading two are nearing pen y ghent so looks like the record is going to be smashed! O0
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A gap opening over Penygent! 436 Wouter Huitzing is going for it. Already 2K in front of 314 Simon Bourne. He must be gunning it to open up a lead of 2k over Fountains fell and Penygent..
Now over 5k off Penygent into Horton. The leader must be running bloody fast even after 22 hours. 14.6 miles to go should finish by 10am. Would that be a record? Considering the diversions et al adding to the routes length,
Victory in sight unless a tragic mishap or navigation error happens. Doubt the latter at this stage.
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I trust that Dave/Slogger didn't have too much to drink last night, he is Number 176. Good luck, take it easy. :)
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And they're off O0
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Pavel, Eoin are in the front group, it is starting to spread out. Need to keep two maps open so that I can keep track of the Challengers as well.
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Oh dear :( At least 5 doing the Spine Challenger have made a fatal mistake! Plenty of PWayers do this. Taken the wrong track for Thornton and heading towards Earby. tragic :(
Plus two doing a pav and heading down the road to Elslack. Should have been up there in hindsight to direct them. ;)
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Couple more have also missed the track and staying on road to Elslack. Oops see you've added that too O0
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And a couple have missed the turn off and continued along the road. I think that a few did this last year and then returned by a path a little further along the road via Wood House which would be a bit further.
Oops me too!
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Those two have now got back on track... others still struggling across :(
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And a couple have missed the turn off and continued along the road. I think that a few did this last year and then returned by a path a little further along the road via Wood House which would be a bit further.
Oops me too!
Just caught up with the 5 in Earby and put them on the nearest track to regain the PW. They seemed to be pretty strong so should finish. My good deed for the day done. ;D
Now back on PW O0
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Tom Hollins, last years Spine winner, back down the field with Slogger. Pavel and Eoin looking strong so far. Carol Morgan, leading female, going really well O0
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Third place 372 Ian Magee has taken the wrong route!! There is a diversion there along the canal and road to Gargrave. He has kept to the official PW. Hopefully he will not be penalised.
Few more doing so now, suspect there will have to be a penalty.
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Well done 436 Wouter Huitzing will finish in the next 20/30 minutes O0 O0 Brilliant.
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Yes, brilliant race. Slogger seems to be struggling more then normal as well towards the back, hope he can hang in okay this year O0
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He expected to be near the back of the field, good effort even to start:-
"Don't expect me to be anywhere other than near the back of the field, especially during the early miles of stage one. Hopefully I will be able to use my experience to work my way through. My target for CP1 will be sub 18 hours and if I get to CP2 Hawes inside of 55 hours after having some reasonable sleep, I will be going well. CP1 in more than 19 hours and CP2 Hawes outside of 56 hours and I will be struggling."
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Yes, good point ;D O0
Mind you he's at Kinder Downfall about 30 minutes faster than I got there so still cracking on!
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Eoin is really cracking on, past doctors gate already :o
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I wish Pavel's tracker would come live again.
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Few more doing so now, suspect there will have to be a penalty.
Can't see that it would affect anyone's position though O0
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I wish Pavel's tracker would come live again.
Both Pavs and his bloodhounds tracker are on the blink ;D
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Carol Morgan's also not working ...
Edit: Both now live, Pavel up with Eoin (no surprise there) and Carol still very strong. Slogger also seems to be moving up (as he predicted)
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Few more doing so now, suspect there will have to be a penalty.
Even more going the PW route to Gargrave across the fields rather than the diverted route via the canal. Surprised that there isn't a diversion notice on the stile, the canal route is much longer.
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Yes, wonder how the organisers will deal with it, hopefully they'll ensure the 'Spine racers' will be properly briefed, or maybe even a diversion sign put up.
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Even more going the PW route to Gargrave across the fields rather than the diverted route via the canal. Surprised that there isn't a diversion notice on the stile, the canal route is much longer.
Also just noticed (I'm slow this morning) that there is a diversion at Lothersdale, which adds quite a bit of distance too, anyone know why? Some seem to be ignoring that too.
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Not as slow as me I can't spot it!
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Not as slow as me I can't spot it!
They're being taken left down Lumb Lane and along the road, the PW goes straight on at that point ...
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Also just noticed (I'm slow this morning) that there is a diversion at Lothersdale, which adds quite a bit of distance too, anyone know why? Some seem to be ignoring that too.
According to my live mapping there is not a diversion at Lothersdale. Do you mean at Cowling or Ickornshaw? Can't see a reason for that detour unless the path has ended up with a "Health & Safety" notice slapped on by NYCC. :D
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They're being taken left down Lumb Lane and along the road, the PW goes straight on at that point ...
Do you mean Cowling, not Lothersdale?
Addingham replied first!
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Told you I was slow this morning ... yes, Cowling ;D
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Told you I was slow this morning ... yes, Cowling ;D
You shouldn't stay up so late, go and have a coffee!
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Actually I didn't last night, and don't drink coffee ;)
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Told you I was slow this morning ... yes, Cowling ;D
I am falling asleep now. Doubt I will walk up to Pinhaw tonight ;D Good grief replied to the wrong message. Time for bed!!!!!
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Wish I lived closer as I'd certainly pop up throughout the week :)
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Actually I didn't last night, and don't drink coffee ;)
OK so what is your excuse then!
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Too many replies to wade through but.....
Has anyone mentioned the fact that there has been no tracking signal from Eugenie Sole since just after the start? I seem to recall him finishing 3rd last year so I'd expect him to be up with the leaders, if his tracker starts working.
If anyone has mentioned it, sorry but too many posts :P
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Good spot, missed that. Hopefully they'll get it working at some point.
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Good spot, missed that. Hopefully they'll get it working at some point.
just looked on the twitter account and it says...
Jim Mann looks to have forced a small gap ahead of Pavel Paloncý, Eoin Keith and Eugeni Roselló Solé. Carol Morgan is flying, too, with John Knap also close and Tom Hollins not far behind
So, he's still running and in contention. Think I'll trust twitter more than the tracking, lol
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Yep O0
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just looked on the twitter account and it says...
Jim Mann looks to have forced a small gap ahead of Pavel Paloncý, Eoin Keith and Eugeni Roselló Solé. Carol Morgan is flying, too, with John Knap also close and Tom Hollins not far behind
So, he's still running and in contention. Think I'll trust twitter more than the tracking, lol
His tracker is now working!
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Drove from Sheffield to London this morning and feel like I've missed half the race already.
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Went for a watch up hern clough and got the leader wrong with eoin( both have red jackets and dark hair oops). He was sure putting some effort in to try and open up a gap, had about 150m on pavel who seemed to be taking it steady over the niggly streams and eugeni was his constant shadow, eoin looked to be putting in some effort to keep the leader in sight. The leading lady was flying along and had a cheery smile! The later runners and walkers all seemed in high spirits and some even managed a smile for the camera. Took a few videos and pictures so will try and upload(if allowed) with the wifes help. Once back at the crossing the later runners were told to make heed and get upto hebden as soon as, they were predicting ALOT of snow in next 48hrs!
Im now mega addicted and will be trying my upmost to attempt this great event.
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Thanks for the report.Quite a bit of snow forecast and also hurricane force winds,125mph and snow on Wed night,the time when the majority will be near to Cross Fell.If things are as bad as predicted I can see the race being stopped.
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What have I missed? Legged it up to Thornton and watched a few coming through. All in good spirits and having a laugh. Second thoughts about legging up to Pinhaw tonight. It's ruddy freezing here stood about so Thornton in Craven is a calling tonight and hopefully catch the leaders. ;D
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“I don’t like dawdling,” says Montane Spine Race leader Jim Mann at Hebden Hey, CP1. When will you sleep? “I don’t know, Alston?” In a 15-minute transition, he grabbed more pizza and chocolate ... :D
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I wonder if these two at the front are aiming to get as far as possible before the forecast bad weather kicks in, hoping that it doesn't get "that" bad that the race is halted, when at snake pass crossing i heard definately inches maybe feet in snow once oop north and on high ground. Darkness tonight might change things! :D
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Take a look at the Spine Facebook page and see Emma Hopkinson finishing/running with her 2 children at the end at Hardraw amazing! Well done, congratulations to her and to all the other competitors whether they finish or not.
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Take a look at the Spine Facebook page and see Emma Hopkinson finishing/running with her 2 children at the end at Hardraw amazing! Well done, congratulations to her and to all the other competitors whether they finish or not.
Seen it, two future racers in the making!
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Dave/Slogger is over the M62 and looks to be making good time.
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Whilst I enjoy "pushing myself" and enjoy a challenge especially if someone says "you can't do that" I am sitting here in the warm and thinking (knowing) I couldn't - no actually I wouldn't do that. I could cope with the hour after hour in the cold and wet, tired body and brain but it is the lack of a good nights sleep that I couldn't cope with.
I think I know why other people do that as they also enjoy the challenge of pushing themselves both physically and mentally but way beyond people like me, their sense of achievement must be enormous. Whilst I dislike the phrase that gets used nowadays but "respect" to them all.
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I'm with you there. Happy to push day after day on the PW, but I need a pint, some food and a bed in the evening ;)
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I think that Dave at 21.30 is about 7 miles from the Hebden Bridge CP, so with a "fair wind" he should/could be there about midnight, his target was within 18 hours i.e. 02.00 Monday. Fingers crossed.
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Just looking at the backmarkers. 38 miles in 13.5 hours and I think well I could possibly...Then I look at the leaders. Pinhaw Beacon already. Over 3 days walk for me last time. It just beggars belief
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Jim Mann going like the clappers through Thornton in Craven @ 10:00PM. Eoin 55 minutes later and seemed a lot slower. Maybe pacing himself. Started to rain heavily and did not realise the other front runners were near to Eion so took of home on my bike and missed them. Should have stayed in hindsight to see them through.
Going to be a gruelling night for them with the weather turning. ::)
Good grief Jim Mann went wrong after I saw him also Eion. I must be a jinks.
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Dave got to Hebden Bridge at 00.33, just set off again by himself.
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Good Morning everyone. Seems Jim Manns' still hammering along with Eion well behind but chasing. Pav unfortunately has made a mistake. Hah a diversion not surprised there so Pav will not get a penalty.
Not surprised as Penygent would be a death trap last night.
Keep on trucking Ladies and Gents. Brilliant allround.
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182 Phil Marshall seems to have made a mistake in my neck of the woods. Heading to Earby instead of Thornton. Hopefully will regain the PW.
Me thinks I will have to get the NYCC to place better signage up below Pinnaw. :) Too many PWayers fall foul there even the most experienced.
Back on track as soon as I say it. :) Shut up Chris. ;D
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Good Morning everyone. Seems Jim Manns' still hammering along with Eion well behind but chasing. Pav unfortunately has made a mistake. Hah a diversion not surprised there so Pav will not get a penalty.
Not surprised as Penygent would be a death trap last night.
Keep on trucking Ladies and Gents. Brilliant allround.
Is that a diversion around PYG? Can see a number of others shortcutting there too
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All reports suggest that. Although not seen an official one. Probably is as Penygent summit would be treacherous now.
Looks as though another diversion is in place @ Ten End SW of Hawes. Oh dear that's been in place from the start. Gob shut from now on. :-[
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Morning all.
If you are on FB they are loading up quite a few live videos this year -some of the runners our in the field, others at checkpoints etc. I find them v interesting espce the checkpoint/ half checkpoint ones. Fascinating to see the mood of the runners, plus their routines etc
Anyway at one of them they mentioned that runners are being diverted around Pen y Ghent. Just wondering if Jim Mann was diverted too or was he too far ahead for that?
Carol Morgan indicated meeting someone around Malham Tarn having GPS problems. I think it was Pavel. She had got him back en route. There were language problems between them. She said her pace was quicker than his and she left him in a place of safety. The organisers indicated that they would check out his GPS but als indicated that he alsways has GPS problems!!
Fascinating event and great to get more of an insight with the technology available.
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Morning all.
Carol Morgan indicated meeting someone around Malham Tarn having GPS problems. I think it was Pavel. She had got him back en route. There were language problems between them. She said her pace was quicker than his and she left him in a place of safety. The organisers indicated that they would check out his GPS but als indicated that he alsways has GPS problems!!
Actually it was not Pav but 105 Eugeni Roselló Solé, I think. That sound right for Eugeni. ;) ;)
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Actually it was not Pav but 105 Eugeni Roselló Solé, I think. That sound right for Eugeni. ;) ;)
I can imagine he might have had trouble with her language if he tried to follow her ;)
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Dave got to Hebden Bridge at 00.33, just set off again by himself.
He is doing really well,way quicker than last year. O0
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Carol Morgan indicated meeting someone around Malham Tarn having GPS problems. I think it was Pavel. She had got him back en route. There were language problems between them. She said her pace was quicker than his and she left him in a place of safety. The organisers indicated that they would check out his GPS but als indicated that he alsways has GPS problems!!
Fascinating event and great to get more of an insight with the technology available.
Definately Eugeni! Pav always uses a map and compass and rarely relies on GPS.Spanish male pride will have been well and truly dented,shown where to go by a woman he can''t keep up with. ;D
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148 Simon Gfeller taking the scenic route along the Pennine Journey track. Oops :( And maybe the one Carol Morgan was referring too and not Eugeni. Just a thought. ;D As Carol Morgan actually knows Eugeni quite well. :)
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Yep sorry folks. I first thought Eugeni and then changed to Pav. Apologies to Pavel! Blimey, I can’t get things right after a night’s sleep!!!
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Oh dear......Eugeni has caught up with Carol at Horton.She can now look forward to having a terrier snapping at her ankles. ;)
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Oh dear......Eugeni has caught up with Carol at Horton.She can now look forward to having a terrier snapping at her ankles. ;)
;D Naughty!!!
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Oh dear......Eugeni has caught up with Carol at Horton.She can now look forward to having a terrier snapping at her ankles. ;)
:) Eugeni :) Getting a bit of stick. ;) Odds on it's 148 Simon Gfeller that CM referred too. :)
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Eugeni retires :o
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Is Dave off course or is he calling it a day? However I can't believe that he is off course hopefully a diversion.
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Possibly a bad fix. Seems a strange diversion?
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Back on track!
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Yes, bad fix. He's jumped back on track O0
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Is Dave off course or is he calling it a day? However I can't believe that he is off course hopefully a diversion.
Appears to be back on course
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Wondering whether Jim Mann is still at Hawes or most of the way to Tan Hill. He doesn't seem to have been transmitting for a bit.
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Is Dave off course or is he calling it a day? However I can't believe that he is off course hopefully a diversion.
Seems OK on my tracker. Moving and on the PW. O0 Maybe just a slight glitch with his tracker.
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Wondering whether Jim Mann is still at Hawes or most of the way to Tan Hill. He doesn't seem to have been transmitting for a bit.
5 minutes ago on Spine Facebook "Jim Mann sleeps whilst Eoin Keith leaves Hawes". The race is on!
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Ah. I don't do Facebook.
However, I admit to a sneaky look at my OH's last night to see what was going on.
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Ah. I don't do Facebook.
However, I admit to a sneaky look at my OH's last night to see what was going on.
I don't either I just Googled "Spine Race and Facebook" and it came up.
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Wondering whether Jim Mann is still at Hawes or most of the way to Tan Hill. He doesn't seem to have been transmitting for a bit.
Doubt it. Seems as though his tracker is malfunctioning since 08: 42 at Hawes. Can't see him leaving it. ;D
Core Blimey how do you delete messages? ;D Jim catnapping.
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FB says he's just about to leave (7 mins ago) and then showed him leaving so a tracker issue, which will cause issues for us armchair watchers! He's probably moving so fast the satellites cannot get a lock ;)
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:) Eugeni :) Getting a bit of stick. ;) Odds on it's 148 Simon Gfeller that CM referred too. :)
She mentions Eugeni by name in the video. :). Simon Gfeller speaks 4 languages and Carol spent quite a bit of time on the course with him last year; she'd have been happy to run with him.
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She mentions Eugeni by name in the video. :) . Simon Gfeller speaks 4 languages and Carol spent quite a bit of time on the course with him last year; she'd have been happy to run with him.
I must be deaf then ;D Or it her American accent. ;D ;D ;D ;D
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FB says he's just about to leave (7 mins ago) and then showed him leaving so a tracker issue, which will cause issues for us armchair watchers! He's probably moving so fast the satellites cannot get a lock ;)
Working now ...
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I must be deaf then ;D Or it her American accent. ;D ;D ;D ;D
AMERICAN! :D Ha ha!
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AMERICAN! :D Ha ha!
;) ;)
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AMERICAN! :D Ha ha!
Is she from the Bronx. ;)
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Eugeni retires :o
It would appear that he suffered multipule GPS failure and dosen't know how to use a map and compass.Great athlete but when it comes to basic mountain skills he is a mere novice.
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It would appear that he suffered multipule GPS failure and dosen't know how to use a map and compass.Great athlete but when it comes to basic mountain skills he is a mere novice.
On the positive side, from the video I now know the Spanish word for 'maps'.
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It would appear that he suffered multipule GPS failure and dosen't know how to use a map and compass.Great athlete but when it comes to basic mountain skills he is a mere novice.
Always been his weak point, we've seen nav errors from him in the past. Shame though :(
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Mann seems to be reeling Eoin in O0
Given the speed he ran through Hardraw I'm not surprised!
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Shame about Eugeni - but the race is very much about navigation as well as the running.
How's a person meant to work when there's all this excitement out there?! Glad I haven't got a busy day/week!!!
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Mann seems to be reeling Eoin in O0
Yes, when the trackers update simultaneously the distance seems reduced. Will Jim Mann's cat nap hold him in good stead.
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Mann seems to be reeling Eoin in O0
Given the speed he ran through Hardraw I'm not surprised!
Catching him is one thing but if Jim needs to sleep again he is going to be in trouble.Not only can Eoin go the entire race without sleep he can also go at least to half distance without eating!
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I have to go and do some work and when I get back not only do I have to catch up on the race but there are pages of posts to read too.
Slogger/Dave is nicely within his predicted time for CP1 O0
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Now he has caught up the 17 minutes from Hawes will he go straight past him?
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In Dionne Warwick's words the answer is "Walk on by"!
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Great Shunner Fell is a bleak place at the best of times, I feel cold just thinking about being up there on a day like today.
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It's a battle at this stage. That could demoralise and hurt Eoin being overtaken by Jim. But there are a few miles to go yet and if the snow is still predicted, the race will be a test of their skills in those conditions and who knows which of them will be more successful...? Do we think Pavel and Tom might make up time/distance?
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Pavel is less than 1.5 hours behind, that isn't much time if you need to rest.
Carol Morgan is storming away with the women's race.
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Yes, she is mightily impressive ... O0 O0 O0
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It's a battle at this stage. That could demoralise and hurt Eoin being overtaken by Jim. But there are a few miles to go yet and if the snow is still predicted, the race will be a test of their skills in those conditions and who knows which of them will be more successful...? Do we think Pavel and Tom might make up time/distance?
It is hard to judge others by my standards! If Jim had overtaken me after leaving him asleep at Hawes then I would be really demoralised but "perhaps" Eoin is pacing himself. Pavel and Tom seem to me to be off the pace and unlikely to catch both of the leaders but both will no doubt have the endurance but will they have the pace of Jim?
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Eugine is now showing on the retired list he came off at Malham CP.
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I have just seen the video of Jim Mann leaving Hawes on the Spine Facebook page, no wonder he caught Eoin up quickly the speed he was RUNNING!
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More contestants need putting back on the right track at Thornton-in-Craven/Earby.
They have spotted their mistake and going across to pick up the correct path.
Change of mind it now looks like they are now taking a different route to Thornton-in-Craven via Booth Bridge rather than return to the PW. Now traversing back to the PW rather then continuing to Booth Bridge!
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It's a battle at this stage. That could demoralise and hurt Eoin being overtaken by Jim. But there are a few miles to go yet and if the snow is still predicted, the race will be a test of their skills in those conditions and who knows which of them will be more successful...? Do we think Pavel and Tom might make up time/distance?
Impossible to say as there are so many factors at play.We don't really know these guys and only they themselves know how they will cope with the predicted adverse weather conditions.
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Eugine is now showing on the retired list he came off at Malham CP.
His electronics system failed.
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Jim is now at Tan Hill, which in my head is half way. I don't know how the time compares to last year but it is amazing.
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Eoin's tracker seems to be offline - hope we get a fix soon or I may be going cold turkey!
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Working now
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Yeah, just spotted it - thanks though. Jim is maintaining his slender lead after a bit of cat n mouse earlier.
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Looks like Slogger is in the Hare and Hounds at Lothersdale :)
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Looks like Slogger is in the Hare and Hounds at Lothersdale :)
Mine's a gin n tonic, slogger :D
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should think Sleightholme moor is particularly gloopy just now
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I hope that is Slogger's tracker going mad, and that he isn't running up the A65!
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I hope that is Slogger's tracker going mad, and that he isn't running up the A65!
It doesn't look good, seems that he may have had to retire at Lothersdale about 15.30 this afternoon - that will teach him to pop in the pub although it was pretty good last time I was there!
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Suspect another error, says no fix at the mo.
Edit: cancel that seems like he's retired :(
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That's a shame, he was going so well!
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I see Daves tracker is now showing him in Hawes. Such a shame, but hats off to him for getting as far as he did.
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Shame that Slogger is out but if things were getting difficult its probably the best decision.
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Sleightholme was horrible in August..must be pretty nasty now. Going north to south it got a bit drier from tan Hill. It will be awful after the wall and at blenkinsopp. Not good in the dark..
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They are not taking them over Pen-y-Ghent at the moment, diverting round to the south. Weather showing heavy snow over Great Shunner Fell this evening/tonight and "FEELS LIKE" temperature -9c to -14c.
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It`s starting to get a tad nippy up this way too but the sky is crystal clear and incredible.
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It doesn't look good, seems that he may have had to retire at Lothersdale about 15.30 this afternoon - that will teach him to pop in the pub although it was pretty good last time I was there!
You have to be joking. >:( Costs a quid extra for half a glass of water! If you are a none drinker like my better half. :o :o :o
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It`s starting to get a tad nippy up this way too but the sky is crystal clear and incredible.
Just shows you can never trust a weather forecast, looking at something on-line and it says you are going to have snow, heavy at times, in 15 minutes!
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I will let you know it is cold enough but I can`t see any clouds.
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You have to be joking. >:( Costs a quid extra for half a glass of water! If you are a none drinker like my better half. :o :o :o
When I first walked the Pennine Way in 2005, I know that was a long time ago, I arrived in Lothersdale quite late but the B&B owner phoned them and they kept some food for me notwithstanding that from memory they stopped serving at 9.00. I guess that may not be a good recommendation re cost but they helped me out and I haven't forgotten so every time I walk or drive through Lothersdale I repay them in some fashion.
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Didn't see when it happened but the first 2 are together in Middleton.
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Eoin arrived about 30 minutes ago, Jim's been there a while.
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Didn't see when it happened but the first 2 are together in Middleton.
Eoin got there about 20 minutes ago, some 2 hours after Jim arrived.
Sorry sussamb, you got there first!
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Thanks for the update. I should have looked at the times.
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Eoin got there about 20 minutes ago, some 2 hours after Jim arrived.
Sorry sussamb, you got there first!
Wish I had ;D
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When I first walked the Pennine Way in 2005, I know that was a long time ago, I arrived in Lothersdale quite late but the B&B owner phoned them and they kept some food for me notwithstanding that from memory they stopped serving at 9.00. I guess that may not be a good recommendation re cost but they helped me out and I haven't forgotten so every time I walk or drive through Lothersdale I repay them in some fashion.
It was better in the '70s. A relation had the pub and opened all hours much to his detriment. ;D Getting prosecuted for serving after time. :) :)
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I was there this year as I camped at Dale End during my PW. Went there for a beer when I arrived, got a warm welcome and returned for a meal and more beer after I'd set up my tarp. Again, polite, friendly staff and good food. I know some reports say there are issues but I didn't have any O0
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I was there this year as I camped at Dale End during my PW. Went there for a beer when I arrived, got a warm welcome and returned for a meal and more beer after I'd set up my tarp. Again, polite, friendly staff and good food. I know some reports say there are issues but I didn't have any O0
New owners? :) Selling up in the near future but not bought by Wetherspoons. ;D ;D ;D ;D
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"The Hare & Hounds re-opened during December 2017 after an extensive refurbishment under new management. Walkers are very welcome. The kitchen is still being renovated, and will be serving food from April/May 2018."
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Pavel will be catching up with them in Middleton at this rate!
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Pavel will be catching up with them in Middleton at this rate!
He must still have about 7 miles to get there, whilst they may still be there when he arrives they will be well refreshed and if their previous walking/running speed is anything to go by then I don't think he will be able to overtake them unless they have a physical problem. What I want to see is Eoin waking up and getting an hour or so on Jim and then see what transpires. Even with an hour I would put my money on Jim.
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Pavel will be catching up with them in Middleton at this rate!
But absolutely knackered. :( A 2 horse race now unless a mishap. JM still looks in my books a winner, But they are all winners no matter where you finish or DNF. :) :) :)
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I wonder what the top of Cross Fell will be like this morning. It wasn't called Fiends Fell for nothing!
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Just shows you can never trust a weather forecast, looking at something on-line and it says you are going to have snow, heavy at times, in 15 minutes!
It was later than predicted it started about 5am but there is a good covering now and if it is white in Byrness the Cheviot Ridge is going to be a bit challenging in the next few days.
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Has Jim slowed down? Eoin is gaining on him at a rate of knots but, to my eye, it looks like Pavel is too.
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Did Jim go off route slightly over Little Dun Fell? That may have slowed him up..
Having said that Eoin's tracker just jumped much closer to Jim's Hope Jim is ok - he looked so sprightly and cheery in the video this morning before he left Middleton...
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Has Jim slowed down? Eoin is gaining on him at a rate of knots but, to my eye, it looks like Pavel is too.
Jim went off route at Tees Head and slowed down.
Just checked again and Eoin seems to be closing the gap,and quite fast.
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Jim has gone off route after Cross Fell, presumably the ground is covered in snow, however going direct to Greg's Hut so he will be back on the correct path. Eoin only about 700 metres behind.
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Jim has gone off route after Cross Fell, presumably the ground is covered in snow, however going direct to Greg's Hut so he will be back on the correct path. Eoin only about 700 metres behind.
I wonder if he will get a time penalty for going off route as it was a short cut,albeit made in error due to the conditions?
It could be lack of sleep that is starting to catch up with Jim and causing him to make nav errors.As far as I am aware he dosen't have any experience of these multiday non-stop races and its new territory for him.Eoin is comfortable going without sleep for days on end due to his six day race experience.
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easy to do if it is snow covered. Is Eoin more familiar with the route?
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I wonder if he will get a time penalty for going off route as it was a short cut,albeit made in error due to the conditions?
I doubt it, I am not sure as to whether (I presume) Eoin's knowledge of the route is helping him in these conditions.
Johhnyp - yes my thought.
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easy to do if it is snow covered. Is Eoin more familiar with the route?
Yes,Eoin is familiar with the route but Jim is an expert navigator and very familiar with fells.It must be the stuff of nightmares trying to navigate in those conditions when you have hardly had any sleep.
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Looks like they have both stopped at Gregs Hut
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Looks like they have both stopped at Gregs Hut
Eoin has pressed on, Jim's tracker not working as presumably still in the stone built Greg's hut.
Tracker now working but behind Eoin, we should be able to see now whether it is fatigue/injury or lack of knowledge of the route that has been affecting Jim.
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Nip and tuck ... game on!
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Knowing the route will be crucial now
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Knowing the route will be crucial now
I agree.The section to Greenhead is awful to navigate,especially the part near Hartley Burn.
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I agree.The section to Greenhead is awful to navigate,especially the part near Hartley Burn.
Even finding Alston Adventure Centre seems to test people most years! From memory however that is normally in the dark.
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I agree.The section to Greenhead is awful to navigate,especially the part near Hartley Burn.
Yep, there is no obvious route there so nav is tricky O0
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Is it snow clouds that are preventing the trackers from updating?
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The Forest section after the Wall is disorientating now as there is a lot of felling going on. Even in daylight it is far from clear all the way to Horneystead. Plus it was absolutely sodden in August. God knows about now...will be dark I guess when they go through?
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Agree with Tony about the Commons sections to Greenhead too. I thought parts were verging on dangerous in August never mind now. Very easy to slip up nav wise and bog wise
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Eoin seems to have opened up quite a big lead and both trackers are pinging at the same time.
Jim says he has pulled a quad muscle and is going to Alston for medical treatment and will then decide if he can continue.Shame as he was going so well.
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Spine Facebook "Jim Mann has retired from the Montane Spine Race 2018 with an injury. Nothing serious, still smiling and chatting with the team but unable to continue. More to follow." What a shame it was looking a good race, well Pav how are you feeling?
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Well done Jim Mann. O0 O0 A pity an injury sustain on day 1 worsened after another trip heading to Alston. :(
He still looked absolutely fresh and smiling when interviewed. ::) Back next year to rip the course record apart hopefully.
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Yes great shame. Let's hope Pav can put Eoin under pressure so we have a bit of of a race O0
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Yes great shame. Let's hope Pav can put Eoin under pressure so we have a bit of of a race O0
It will be interesting :) Eion seems absolutely knackered but now his main rival has retired could pace him self as he isn't chasing. Has to be aware of Pav and maybe Hollins.
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Wakey Wakey Eoin you`ve got company
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Tom Hollins is still in with a shout I reckon, he was strong at the end last year O0
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Wakey Wakey Eoin you`ve got company
What delights have you got for them to eat this year, I can't believe that Pav was eating curry at one of the previous stops - whilst I love curry I don't eat it when I am walking in case....!
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Bacon and lentil soup (almost as bad as curry) and mince and mash. + veggie versions of both.
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Bacon and lentil soup (almost as bad as curry) and mince and mash. + veggie versions of both.
At least, for them, they haven't got far to go afterwards given a fair wind!
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Far enough for the likes of us harland!
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Yes, game over, I got it wrong again. Mind you just shows that regular 5 mile local walking sprints as your main training is not really adequate for events like this!
Only two pints of Guinness the night before and a decent sleep in Edale YHA, once the student group had quietened down.
My main focus for the first stage was not to arrive at CP1 as late as last year, however I overdid it some.
With the best ground conditions including dry slabs, that the race has ever had the going was good, apart from a messy diversion before Bleaklow summit.
Just outside of my best at Crowden, I struggled up Laddow rocks (insufficient hill work this year) then the usual cramps started, inner quad muscles, very difficult to stretch out. Freqent spasms and walking slow on semi rigid leg muscles, being overtaken all the time. This bad patch lasted for around 10 miles, by which time a group had formed.
Quite suddenly with around 20 miles to go to CP1, my legs fired into life and I took off dragging the group behind me. They were suffering but they didn't have to follow. At Stoodley Pike Rob, Al and myself stopped to don waterproof leggings as the bad wet windy conditions were setting in.
Two others went ahed as they already were wearing theirs. We never saw them again.
We all struggled on the ascents from Charlsworth and we had to leave Al who was slowing. I arrived CP1 after around 16.5 hours a good 3.5 hours faster than last time.
I tried to get some slepp but couldn't with all activity going on, so got ready and left around 5.15ma.
Legs stiff straight away, but eased some after a few miles apart from ascents and descents. The wind and rain was unrelenting, my expensive Columbia Goretex gloves filled with water. All paths became streams, fields waterlogged, and numerous couses had to be waded so shoes were full of water too, apart from that I was well protected from the weather.
Eventually I met up with Alan Cormac and Michelle Payne and we walked a good few miles together before they pressed ahead.
The pain in my legs was becoming a problem. I could quite a pace going on the flat but anything else I was struggling.
With trying to raise funds for Prostrate Cancer Uk I was pushing myself harder than ever, but the last two descents were so slow and painful I feared being stuck in the middle of nowhere unable to move.
On reaching the Hare & Hounds in Lothersdale I reluctantly decided to retire.
The team were very busy collecting other retirees so I got a taxi to Hawes CP2.
There I discovered that all those in that group during the first stage had also retired. One of them suffered a seizure upon entering that CP and was ruled out by medics.
My pal Chris, came to collect me later and take me home.
Watching the trackers and the moving time etc of Alan and Michelle, I doubt I would have made the cut off at Malham Tarn and there was no way I would have reached there anyway.
To all those who kindly donated to my Just Giving page, thank so very much. I hope I haven't let you down, I really did give it my all.
Dave.
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Whats the weather like at forest view at the mo ?
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Went for a few hours watch up to the A66 crossing, snow on the ground about 2". One min its sunny then the next cloudy and then snow/sleet showers, nothing untoward. The few that i saw were all in good spirits, enjoyed their little cream egg handouts and most said the snow helped with seeing the path better and footprints and also seeing the wetter muddy bits to avoid better. When i came to leave about 3.20 it was a complete whiteout, heavy blizzard type which wouldnt help much.
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Nice one dave. Well done indeed
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There is about 4 inches of snow in Byrness so another thousand or 2 feet higher it will be a lot deeper on the ridge. no thanks I think I`ll stay in my nice warm kitchen.Well done Slogger we are in awe of your effort.
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Tom Hollins is still in with a shout I reckon, he was strong at the end last year O0
Most certainly.He took the lead last year after Bellingham and knows how to pace himself.He seems quite comfortable to be unsupported and still in good spirits.
Mohd Puzi Dolhal must be having a rough time on the Cam High Road,tail end runner,probably facing blizzards,and only 2.5 hrs to reach CP2.No rest allowed either,straight back on the course and over Shunner to CP3.
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Nice one dave. Well done indeed
Yes well done, being younger than yourself - not by much, I just can't envisage me starting or even thinking of undertaking this event. Congratulations to you and all other competitors whether they finish or not.
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Eoin is off again!
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I bet he tiptoed out.
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Great effort Dave, far more than I could have managed O0 O0 O0
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Eoin is off, wonder how long Pav will give him ...
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Dave you haven't let anyone down. Well done for doing what you did. It was a grand effort.
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Dave, you are an inspiration to us all.
Especially those of us who are no longer spring chickens.....
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Yes well done, being younger than yourself - not by much, I just can't envisage me starting or even thinking of undertaking this event. Congratulations to you and all other competitors whether they finish or not.
Definitely second that :)
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Dave, you are an inspiration to us all.
Especially those of us who are no longer spring chickens.....
I second this O0
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I second them all ;D
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I bet he tiptoed out.
Pav is now under way about 2 hours behind Eoin.
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Dave, you haven't let anyone down,it was perfectly valid,and sensible,reason to retire.If you had retired through something as ridiculous as GPS failure it would have been another matter. ;)
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Dave, you haven't let anyone down,it was perfectly valid,and sensible,reason to retire.If you had retired through something as ridiculous as GPS failure it would have been another matter. ;)
Totally agree
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Dave, you haven't let anyone down,it was perfectly valid,and sensible,reason to retire.If you had retired through something as ridiculous as GPS failure it would have been another matter. ;)
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If you had retired through something as ridiculous as GPS failure it would have been another matter. ;)
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Yes, well done Dave.
I get the joke but do you have to have a working gps.
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There doesn't appear to be any significant change in the time distance between Eoin and Pav.
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There is a blizzard here it`s been going for 45minutes it`s a total whiteout I`m reluctant to go outside to the boiler room to check the fuel I have no idea how they are all keeping going all credit to them all regardless of time.
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Yes, well done Dave.
I get the joke but do you have to have a working gps.
The problem is that Eugeni can't navigate, without a working GPS he was stuffed.
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The problem is that Eugeni can't navigate, without a working GPS he was stuffed.
Yes I know that, and that there have been accusations that he follows others, but can you not continue without a gps, is it part of the kit list?
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So retiring was the sensible option he accepted his limitations and kept himself and the support crew safe. Shame because he is a cracking athlete and a nice guy. (yes I believe it is a requirement)
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There is a blizzard here it`s been going for 45minutes it`s a total whiteout I`m reluctant to go outside to the boiler room to check the fuel I have no idea how they are all keeping going all credit to them all regardless of time.
Although it wasn't accurate yesterday it says that there will be a break in the snow in 33 minutes! However there looks to be a b..... great cloud over the area that must hold something!
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No Idea I cant even see our garden never mind the sky
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Pav is now under way about 2 hours behind Eoin.
Just after Burnstones Pav went through at 22.05 Eoin went past just short of there at 20.23 i.e. Pav now 1 Hour 42 minutes behind.
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Well done Dave, it must have been a hard decision to retire, but probably a sensible one.
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Pav beginning to catch Eoin it seems.
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Pav beginning to catch Eoin it seems.
Looks like the gap is down to 1 hour 33 minutes, not caught up much since last night. Eoin seems to have stopped at Bellingham for about an hour, can Pav go straight through?
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Pavel 1 hour 20 after Eoin arriving at Bellingham, I reckon that Eoin was there for about 45 mins so it will be interesting to see when Pavel leaves.
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Looks like he's off ...
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Pavel is on the move again so he must have made up about 20 mins by taking less rest time.
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Looks like the gap is down to 1 hour 33 minutes, not caught up much since last night. Eoin seems to have stopped at Bellingham for about an hour, can Pav go straight through?
Now about 1 hour 10 minutes behind. And I can now watch them on the same page!
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Something strange on Eoin's tracker, maybe a an error, but there is a track further north and then back south again! Yes he is on the way back to Bellingham - weather or injury?
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From Spine Facebook "Second-place Pavel Paloncy at CP5, Bellingham. His map blew away in the night and GPS reset, deleting maps".
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Oh wow. All happening now I'm out. Strange about Pav though as a reset doesn't delete maps, at least not on Garmins. Maybe they mean route?
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Something strange on Eoin's tracker, maybe a an error, but there is a track further north and then back south again! Yes he is on the way back to Bellingham - weather or injury?
If injury what a shame as he's within touching distance now :(
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I guess injury otherwise surely Pavel would be coming back too.
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Yep, real shame :(
Pav's race now unless something extraordinary happens.
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I have to drag my self away to go to a meeting. :(
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So retiring was the sensible option he accepted his limitations and kept himself and the support crew safe. Shame because he is a cracking athlete and a nice guy. (yes I believe it is a requirement)
O0 O0 O0 O0 O0
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Yep, real shame :(
Pav's race now unless something extraordinary happens.
From Spine Facebook " A recent post on Pavel Paloncy's profile cites Eoin mentioning "safety reasons" without further clarification..."
However Eoin looks as though he is on the way again - perhaps he forgot something at the CP. If he is still racing he is now some hour and a half behind Pav.
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He's gone back for snowshoes! Wonder if that will now help him past Pav (who may or may not have some). Pav seems to be off route, if the snow is deep enough for Eoin to return for snow shoes I suspect nav will be very difficult!!
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If Pav can get to the road I wonder if they will be redirected up the road to the west of Padon Hill as they did last year. Then it will be through the forest that "may" make it a bit easier to Byrness. If so is he then allowed, if available, to pick up snow shoes?
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The route is planned to avoid Paddon Hill looking at the map.
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The route is planned to avoid Paddon Hill looking at the map.
I hadn't spotted that as I was looking at his tracker route, Pav is still making good progress albeit off route "slightly".
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Pav is now back on track. That section is difficult enough with numerous tracks through fairly thick vegetation (heather?) so with it all covered in snow it must be a nightmare!
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Yes, that section to the road will be tricky in snow. Thereafter they are going along road/ forest road which at least is fairly level and safe even in snow..
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heather
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It might work to Pav's advantage if the race is abandoned.Conditons will be similar,or far worse,than those faced by Slogger in 2013 so I would be surprised if they send anyone onto the Cheviot ridge tonight.Forecast is for 50 mph winds and heavy snowfall for several hours.The other issue is MRT resources as they are fully stretched at the moment dealing with stranded motorists and its unlikely a helicopter could fly in a white-out and high winds.
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He's gone back for snowshoes!
Looks like the race is back on
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By my reckoning he is slowly gaining on Pav, but once he hits the road and then track through the forest the going should be far easier, not sure snow shoes will then be much of an advantage.
Just heard an interview with Pav ... at one stage he says he was waist deep in snow :D
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Whilst I like the thought of them continuing to race, my preference would be at Byrness (if they are allowed to continue) that they walk the rest and finish together. Neither deserves to finish "second" albeit they will be a winner in my book.
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Whilst I like the thought of them continuing to race, my preference would be at Byrness (if they are allowed to continue) that they walk the rest and finish together. Neither deserves to finish "second" albeit they will be a winner in my book.
In 2013 the organisers along with the support crew buddied the runners up for safety I would anticipate the same this time but the support people are very experienced and will do what is required (and probably to satisfy the race insurers)
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Eoin's snow shoes don't seem to be helping, the gap between him and Pav seems pretty consistent, and Pav is almost at the road, things will get easier for him then.
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Pav has gone on towards Paddon Hill rather than take the road, wonder if that's his error or whether the map route on the website is wrong?
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Pav has gone on towards Paddon Hill rather than take the road, wonder if that's his error or whether the map route on the website is wrong?
It was definitely flagged at the race briefing as a route change for this year.
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It was definitely flagged at the race briefing as a route change for this year.
Would there be any organisers/supporters there to check on individuals on these crossing points given the conditions?
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Is this a chance for Eoin to close the gap if Pav continues over Paddon Hil?
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Is this a chance for Eoin to close the gap if Pav continues over Paddon Hil?
Perhaps the snow has blown off the hill and drifted down to the road/track. He is making good time over the ground again.
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Sure would be, with deep snow the route over Paddon Hill and onwards until it reaches the track in Kielder will be very slow.
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Pav has gone on towards Paddon Hill rather than take the road, wonder if that's his error or whether the map route on the website is wrong?
The main problem with Paddon Hill is bogs and I should imagine they will be frozen.Perhaps snow conditions on road are worse due to drifting and he has stuck to higher ground that has less snow? Just speculating as its far too easy to jump to wild conclusions sitting here in a warm room.
Just looked at the tracker and Pav's speed seems to have increased on Paddon Hill.
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I was just speculating the same ... in my warm room :)
Eoin has stopped on the B6320, been there about 15 minutes. What now I wonder?
Edit. Location just jumped, he's headed down the road instead of fighting cross country.
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Edit. Location just jumped, he's headed down the road instead of fighting cross country.
but that takes him way off route, is he having second thoughts about the conditions?
E2A Looks like he is going too fast to be walking now
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His tracker has gone so fast he must be in a car/tractor! Not good.
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Eoin is in a vehicle,looks like he has either retired or the race has been stopped.
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Yep, he's heading back to Bellingham, at the speed he's going I suspect in a car.
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We're all glued and posting at the same time ;D
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Pav now facing the steep climb up to Brownrigg Head
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Eoin retired on safety issues,mainly due to lack of sleep.
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Yep, just seen his interview. Pav now almost at Brownrigg Head, should get considerably easier (relatively!) from here to Byrness O0
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Yep, just seen his interview. Pav now almost at Brownrigg Head, should get considerably easier (relatively!) from here to Byrness O0
hee hee
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Pav seems to be in the trees rather than on the track, I suspect the snow isn't as thick there O0
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Pavel is so far ahead he can have a long break at Forest View and still win. I know it's academic but will he get penalised for going off route and over Padon Hill?
The race is now for second position
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Late to the party, as always. Been an exciting couple of hours.
Does anyone know what is the tracking system that is being used?
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https://thespinerace.com/faq/
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Thanks Sussamb
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Pav now on the track through Kielder and setting a much faster pace O0
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I have just put his dinner in the oven.
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I have just put his dinner in the oven.
Give him a double or treble portion of your mince and mash. The last time I saw a plate of food he had been given it was a kids portion!
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I have just put his dinner in the oven.
Live tracking is better than phoning ahead to place your order :D
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Has Pavel gone slightly off piste as he approaches Forest View?
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Has Pavel gone slightly off piste as he approaches Forest View?
Not the way I would have gone but is there a way in the back? Got there at 17.37 so Joyce and Colin will be seeing to all his needs. Thanks to you both for helping the contestants at all times of the day and night. Any idea what it is like over the Cheviots, are they likely to be allowed to continue?
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Not the way I would have gone but is there a way in the back? Got there at 17.37 so Joyce and Colin will be seeing to all his needs. Thanks to you both for helping the contestants at all times of the day and night. Any idea what it is like over the Cheviots, are they likely to be allowed to continue?
Has gone the old way over the bridge to the monitoring station at the old YHA. Then to the hotel for a rest and food.
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Has gone the old way over the bridge to the monitoring station at the old YHA. Then to the hotel for a rest and food.
I'm putting my money he is still at Forest View, better class of people there and understanding of Pennine Way "walkers"!
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I'm putting my money he is still at Forest View, better class of people there and understanding of Pennine Way "walkers"!
;D ;D ;D Problem is he had to clock in to work. ;D at 17:37:52. ;)
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Latest: The race has been stopped. Every competitor are to be held at their next CP.
"Pavel Paloncý is already soaking his feet in the big pot of hot water in Byrness. The race has been stopped for now. It means that everyone is held in the CP they've reached. The weather forecast is not getting better. Let's see how will the organisers decide for the rest of the race"
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Yep, not surprised ... predicted it a page or so above :)
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A sensible decision.One death or bad incident and the tabloids would have a field day and the sponsors wouldn't touch the race with a bargepole.Of course more people would have died that day in RTA's but they don't sell papers as they are so common.
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Upside is that Pav will have loads of Joyce's food all to himself O0
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Upside is that Pav will have loads of Joyce's food all to himself O0
He is only being "held" at Byrness, when/if the weather improves he will have to climb up out of Byrness with triple portions of mince and mash inside!
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I doubt that he'll worry, he's probably ravenous ;)
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He managed 2 bakewell tarts a bowl of bacon and lentil soup then mince mash and carrots cup of tea & a cup of coffee then promptly fell asleep.
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Has gone the old way over the bridge to the monitoring station at the old YHA. Then to the hotel for a rest and food.
Its been a while since you were in Byrness then?
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Its been a while since you were in Byrness then?
1975 ;D And can't remember a hotel then. ;D ;D
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1975 ;D And can't remember a hotel then. ;D ;D
We bought the old YHA building gutted it refurbished it and built on at the back to create Forest View Walkers Inn
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He managed 2 bakewell tarts a bowl of bacon and lentil soup then mince mash and carrots cup of tea & a cup of coffee then promptly fell asleep.
Not surprised. No real ale then ;D
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We bought the old YHA building gutted it refurbished it and built on at the back to create Forest View Walkers Inn
As I said I can only remember the forest workers accommodation back then. Never done the full PW since had a real nightmare on the Cheviots even in summer. Glad I 'aint going up there tonight ::)
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We bought the old YHA building gutted it refurbished it and built on at the back to create Forest View Walkers Inn
It doesn't need me to sing its praises as anyone who has stayed there since it was refurbished wouldn't stay anywhere else. Run by people who know what you need after a hard day/weeks walk including cleaning your boots! I wonder if Pav took his boots off or fell asleep with them on!
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Feel sorry for those up on cross fell and around falcon clints, long way to get to a cp for much needed rest!
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It doesn't need me to sing its praises as anyone who has stayed there since it was refurbished wouldn't stay anywhere else. Run by people who know what you need after a hard day/weeks walk including cleaning your boots! I wonder if Pav took his boots off or fell asleep with them on!
Colin would have taken them the minute Pav walked in!
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Feel sorry for those up on cross fell and around falcon clints, long way to get to a cp for much needed rest!
Yes, Pav though timed it perfectly :)
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Feel sorry for those up on cross fell and around falcon clints, long way to get to a cp for much needed rest!
Yes I was just looking at them it doesn't look good up there at the moment. I presume they are taking off the ones on the way from Middleton to Forest-in-Teesdale to the Langdon Beck Hotel rather than let them continue to Dufton.
Just looked again, it appears that they are bussing them back to Middleton.
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Yes, Pav though timed it perfectly :)
Yes, kept to his own pace and plan instead of trying to race eoin and jim. O0
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Yes I was just looking at them it doesn't look good up there at the moment. I presume they are taking off the ones on the way from Middleton to Forest-in-Teesdale to the Langdon Beck Hotel rather than let them continue to Dufton.
In fairness you would think so, could maybe get 4x4's upto couldron snout to pick up the others? Bet that fire at gregs is glowing red!
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In fairness you would think so, could maybe get 4x4's upto couldron snout to pick up the others? Bet that fire at gregs is glowing red!
Yes I hadn't thought of that, it would make very good sense, they could always be bussed back there if/when it improves. Better to get as many safe ASAP.
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From Spine Facebook - OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT:
Due to a severe weather warning, the Spine Race is on temporary hold with immediate effect.
The decision has been taken because the safety of both the runners and the support staff is likely to be seriously compromised.
The forecast includes persistent and heavy snow fall, 45mph winds and extreme wind-chill.
Racers are being held at CP3 (Middleton in Teesdale), Dufton, Greg’s Hut, CP4 (Alston), CP5 (Bellingham) and CP5.5 (Byrness). The race clock will not stop, however.
The situation is being monitored closely and the race will restart as soon as it is safe to do so.
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Looking at bbc weather forecast, its worse with winds and more snow around middleton/dufton/alston than it is up bellingham/byrness. Due to clear away or just cloud further north than say middleton, so if its put on hold for 24hrs would those at middleton/dufton have enough time to get to ky considering there would be more snow on the ground? :-\
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A few of the contestants who are now near Long Man Hill after Greg's Hut returned from near the disused mine to Greg's hut with another individual who is still there before they continued.
The ones that were approaching Cross Fell are now safely in Greg's Hut.
The 5 after Cross Fell have about 3 miles to get to Garrigill where I presume they will be bussed to Alston although the going should be a bit easier if they are allowed to continue on foot. (now very close to Garrigill but 4 of the 5 trackers have lost reception).
172 only has about a mile or so to go to get to Bellingham (Now safely at Bellingham CP).
There are 4 that are near to Dufton although one of them has now started to drift behind the other three (21.50 three have now arrived at Dufton) (22.20 4th one has now arrived at Dufton).
The location of the ones near Falcon Clints are, as usual, unknown due to the lack of signal along here. (21.29 Three signals now received approaching High Cup). (Now on their way down).
The two individuals after Middleton will be bussed back when they reach Forest-in-Teesdale, hopefully it isn't too bad along that stretch. (Now only one, maybe in bivi as no reception for ages).
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Carol Morgan and 5 others stopped at Greenhead at NNP Walltown Quarry. Plenty of supplies plus accomadation.
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I note the organisers have not stopped the clock so the ones who had already left CP3 on time are now being being bussed back to CP3 and will possibly be disqualified for failing to leave a CP on time when the race restarts!
If you stop a race there are always going to be winners and losers.Pav is a winner because he gets a much needed rest whilst those at the end of the field have slogged their guts out for nothing.I suppose one problem is that everything has been hired till Sunday and it would be difficult to go a day or two over time.
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Carol Morgan and 5 others stopped at Greenhead at NNP Walltown Quarry. Plenty of supplies plus accomadation.
Think it’s just 3 others. The accommodation is the public toilets! They are heated though :)
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Think it’s just 3 others. The accommodation is the public toilets! They are heated though :)
It looks like 231 Gavin Woody has retired as he was originally with them at walltown.
No. Possible NNParks have opened up the cafe for them plus offices. I bivvied there in August. Toilet left open all night. Saved wacking a tent up at 2:00 am. ;D
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No. Possible NNParks have opened up the cafe for them plus offices. I bivvied there in August. Toilet left open all night. Saved wacking a tent up at 2:00 am. ;D
I’m not sure what the no meant? Anyway, they were in the toilets but now they have been given a lift to Greenhead YHA.
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I’m not sure what the no meant? Anyway, they were in the toilets but now they have been given a lift to Greenhead YHA.
;D ;D ;D Just seen them on the move. I hate this forum. ;D Can't remove erroneous messages ;D
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;D ;D ;D Just seen them on the move. I hate this forum. ;D Can't remove erroneous messages ;D
:). I had the unfair advantage of a phone call with Carol.
Nothing happening until 5am tomorrow now. Looks like we can get some sleep as well as all the competitors .
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Are some folk still out there making their way between CPs? 3 coming off High Cup Nick and a singleton 158 near Forest in Teesdale.
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A few of the contestants who are now near Long Man Hill after Greg's Hut returned from near the disused mine to Greg's hut with another individual who is still there before they continued.
The ones that were approaching Cross Fell are now safely in Greg's Hut.
The 5 after Cross Fell have about 3 miles to get to Garrigill where I presume they will be bussed to Alston although the going should be a bit easier if they are allowed to continue on foot. (now very close to Garrigill but 4 of the 5 trackers have lost reception).
172 only has about a mile or so to go to get to Bellingham (Now safely at Bellingham CP).
There are 4 that are near to Dufton although one of them has now started to drift behind the other three (21.50 three have now arrived at Dufton) (22.20 4th one has now arrived at Dufton).
The location of the ones near Falcon Clints are, as usual, unknown due to the lack of signal along here. (21.29 Three signals now received approaching High Cup). (Now on their way down).
The two individuals after Middleton will be bussed back when they reach Forest-in-Teesdale, hopefully it isn't too bad along that stretch. (Now only one, maybe in bivi as no reception for ages).
Latest position before I go to bed, most safely in CPs. The others should be OK now. OK one more update those near Garrigill continuing to Alston. And 158 now woken up, should be on way back to Middleton shortly.
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Race started again at 0600 but many taking a lie in, including Pav, probably too full of Joyce's food. He has such a lead he can afford to hang about for a bit, suspect he'll wait until it's light.
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Anyone know what Tom Hollins kit discrepancy was to get him a 3 hour time penalty.
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I've asked but no response yet :(
He's left Bellingham along with the others so maybe he was allowed to take his 3 hours overnight as the clock wasn't stopped, if so it was hardly a penalty anyway O0
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Here is a, possibly sacrilegious, question which I don't know the answer to.
Should the race be run in January?
Obviously January is the most taxing month and it is supposed to be 'Britain's most brutal race' but it feels as if every other year it has to be stopped due to extreme weather and, as has been said before, that then favours some and penalises others. It then effectively stops being a race and becomes and endurance event. Though obviously, for the majority of the competitors, that is what it always is.
Any thoughts?
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It seems a bit tough that those who made it to Forest-in-Teesdale yesterday have had to restart at Middleton-in-Teesdale.
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It seems a bit tough that those who made it to Forest-in-Teesdale yesterday have had to restart at Middleton-in-Teesdale.
Should they not be taken back to where they were picked up or are race organisers just making their own life easier
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Perhaps that's one of the reasons they started a June race as well.
But I agree, a long stoppage does take some of the point out of it. Everyone has had a night's sleep now, so it isn't really the same race.
I imagine most of the runners are pitting themselves against the clock and themselves rather than expecting to win, but even so you think it would be more satisfactory to stop the clock and give everyone an overall time, even if they kept the Sunday finish and a few of the people at the back got timed out.
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In balance it does often run all the way through, so I feel it should stay in January.
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Should they not be taken back to where they were picked up or are race organisers just making their own life easier
Agreed, although I suspect they're happy with the rest which more than makes up for the extra distance they now have to cover.
Pav still not moved though.
Edit: Must have heard me, seems to be off now.
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pav is now on his way he had to wait while one of the SST brought up some kit for him to borrow but he has just left and we have fueled him up the best that we could.
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He'll be double his original weight then ;D
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I wonder what it will be like going over the Cheviots. Looking at the amount of snow on the cars coming along the A69 from the east this morning it looks like there has been quite a bit of snow.
I have been urging Pav to get going for the past 2 hours :)
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Pav also has 3 hour time penalty for his kit discrepancy. 2 hours 45 mins served and 15 mins to be added to his time.
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Tom Hollins is out :(
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146 is on the way back from Great Dun Fell, presumably having to retire.
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I have been urging Pav to get going for the past 2 hours :)
I know some people just don't try hard enough! :D
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I know some people just don't try hard enough! :D
Ha ha!
It's a race for second now...
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OFFICIAL UPDATE FROM SPINE FACEBOOK
New cut-off times have been issued to checkpoints and are being communicated to all runners.
These are:
CP3 - 0630 Thursday 18th Jan
CP4 - 0400 Friday 19th Jan
CP5 - 0400 Saturday 20th Jan
CP5.5 - 1200 Saturday 20th Jan - No Change
Finish - 0800 Sunday 21st Jan - No Change
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It's a race for second now...
Haven't we said that before?
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Haven't we said that before?
Probably!!
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Haven't we said that before?
Yes when Pav was third and way behind the front runners!
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I wonder what it will be like going over the Cheviots. Looking at the amount of snow on the cars coming along the A69 from the east this morning it looks like there has been quite a bit of snow.
I have been urging Pav to get going for the past 2 hours :)
He was ready fully kitted up but had to wait till SST let him go (possibly his time penalty)
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Any idea as to what he was penalised for? Quite a few are being penalised at the mo with no info as to what the issue is.
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There is a comment on the FB page "Because of the extreme weather, race staff are being extra vigilant in ensuring competitors have enough equipment to be safe." that may explain a number of competitors having penalties
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Yes saw that but doesn't explain what folks aren't doing correctly. Clearly must be a safety issue but wonder what these experienced and very competent athletes are falling foul of?
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I know some people just don't try hard enough! :D
;D I know, he is a bit lazy if you ask me ;)
He was ready fully kitted up but had to wait till SST let him go (possibly his time penalty)
Thanks forestview.
Pav seems to be navigating well, was it the year before last when he turned right at Brownhart Law toward Deels Hill? I wonder how deep the snow is up there!
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On FB there's a suggestion about it being to do with snow goggles. But I think that is in comments rather than anything official...
I have wondered though, when looking at the small size packs some of the runners have, how on earth they manage to get all the required equipment into them. The mandatory list is quite comprehensive... I expect they will select the most lightweight compact stuff they can find, but even so, some of their packs are miles smaller than my day sack.
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It must be difficult conditions on the Cheviots, Pav only completed about 2 1/2 kilometres in the last hour.
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It`s his bacon and eggs wearing out
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Equipment required (In their small backpack):-
1. Backpack
2. Compass and Maps (examples below)
a. Harvey Maps 3x Pennine Way
b. A-Z Adventure Map Series Pennine Way
c. UK OS Maps
3. GPS
a. GPS Watches and Smartphones are NOT PERMISSIBLE
4. Whistle
5. Goggles
a. You may also wish to carry a pair of sunglasses
6. Knife
7. Head Torch with 1 set of spare batteries
a. A set of spare batteries must be carried at all times
8. Waterproof Jacket with a hood and taped seams
9. Waterproof Trousers with taped seams
10. Hat
11. Gloves
12. Spare Socks (1 pair)
13. Neck Gaiter
14. Base Layer Top
15. Base Layer Bottoms
16. Appropriate layering for Mountain/ Fell Running
17. Appropriate footwear for Mountain/ Fell Running
18. Kahtoola Microspikes/ Yaktrax/ Similar ice spikes
19. Minimum Compulsory Medical Kit:
a. Foil Blanket (Emergency Blanket, Space Blanket etc)
b. BandAids/ Plasters
c. Paracetamol - 16x 500mg tablets
d. Loratidine - 2x10mg tablets OR Cetirizine Hydrochloride
e. Loperamide - 4x 2mg
f. Antiseptic Spray or Wipes
g. Your personal blister Kit
h. Any regular medication - MUST be in original packaging or clearly labelled. Must
carry 48 hours supply at all time. Separate this so we can check the contents easily
at the Race Registration.
20. Sleeping Bag – Please check that your sleeping bag meets the following:
a. RECOMMENDED – COMFORT RATING
i. SUB ZERO/ 0C = PASS
ii. 1C TO 3C = PASS (WE RECOMMEND AN ADDITIONAL LINER, NO COTTON)
b. ACCEPTABLE – COMFORT LIMIT RATING
i. 0C = PASS
ii. 1C TO 3C = PASS WITH ADDITIONAL LINER. SILK OR FLEECE (NO COTTON).
c. If your sleeping bag has no indication of its thermal performance provided by the
manufacturer, or has no rating, the bag will not be considered and you will need to
use an alternative.
d. EXAMPLE: Montane Prism Sleeping Bag, 5c Comfort/ 0c Comfort Limit Rating. This
would pass as Acceptable with no additional liner.
21. Roll Mat
22. Shelter, choose one of the options:
a. Option 1: Tent + Bivvy Bag
i. Tent users must also carry a Bivvy Bag
b. Option 2: Bivvy Bag
23. Gas or liquid fuel stove with one pan to produce hot water
a. Jet Boil, Mini Trangia etc
b. 100g Gas Canister, Full Trangia Stove etc
c. Solid Fuel stoves are not acceptable
24. Waterproof matches/ and or lighter
25. Spork or similar
26. 2l Water carrying capacity
27. 3000kcal of food (inclusive of the food you consume racing)
a. SPINE RACE: 3000kcal of food carried from the start with a full resupply at CP3 &
CP5.
b. SPINE CHALLENGER: 3000kcal carried from the start.
28. Mobile phone
a. Charger in your drop bag
29. GPS Tracker
a. Provided by the Event Organisers/ Tracking Company to be returned
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It`s his bacon and eggs wearing out
More like all the food you made, you shouldn't make it so good - or was it Colin, did he open the bar?
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Seen that list but still no idea what Pav didn't have.
Item 7 is interesting and hadn't spotted it before. If you must have a spare set of batteries AT ALL TIMES you'd need to carry two sets, or else you couldn't use one set as then you wouldn't have a spare. Surely it should read something like a spare set when leaving any CP ... :-\
Still can't see how it all fits in some of the packs they carry :o
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Pav is at the first refuge hut ... suspect he may pause there as looking at his time it's been a tough slog.
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Seen that list but still no idea what Pav didn't have.
Still can't see how it all fits in some of the packs they carry :o
No nor can I. I'd quite like a video tutorial from one of them to show how they did it. If I could carry such a small sack for my walks, I'd be chuffed. I'm sure 3000cal of food would fill my bag!! ;)
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It would appear the French women got a three hour time penalty for having the wrong kind of ski masks! Their ski masks were transparent cycling type and were not acceptable.At one point they were disqualified but after much discussion they got a time penalty instead.It would appear the kit list has no mention of full ski masks being a mandatory requirement so I wonder if its something the race insurers have insisted on and the organisers have overlooked it? Not too sure why Pav and Tom got three hour penalties but Pav did lose his map and failed to recover it so he might have got a penalty for this reason.
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Pav is at the first refuge hut ... suspect he may pause there as looking at his time it's been a tough slog.
I nearly responded that you are judging him on your and my reserves of strength - he is on the way again!
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Pav did lose his map and failed to recover it so he might have got a penalty for this reason.
It was blowing 70 mph, I know Pav has many strengths but sprinting through deep snow after a map is not one of them!
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I nearly responded that you are judging him on your and my reserves of strength - he is on the way again!
Yep, he didn't pause long. To be fair when I passed it last year I only looked in, didn't stop either ;D
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Not too sure why Pav and Tom got three hour penalties but Pav did lose his map and failed to recover it so he might have got a penalty for this reason.
Even with that 3 hours I can't see him being caught now barring some major incident. Wish I could go at his pace, although actually maybe not as hardly worth doing the PW then ;D
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Looks like second and third place have buddied up, as has the group of 4 with Carol Morgan. Probably sensible given the conditions ...
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Even with that 3 hours I can't see him being caught now barring some major incident. Wish I could go at his pace, although actually maybe not as hardly worth doing the PW then ;D
Spine Facebook shows "Race leader Pavel Paloncy has received a three-hour time penalty for a mandatory kit discrepancy. Two hours and 45 minutes of it has been served. Fifteen minutes will be added to his time." So he should be OK, but we have said similar things before about other leaders.
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Reading through that list of required items , unless there is a list of attached rules then some of it makes not a lot of sense. As with the spare batteries then for example the paracetamol, or the number of calories, once consumed do they HAVE to be replenished etcetera, or is it a registration checklist that can be used as and when required and not replenished?
I find this whole week strangely addictive. I am never at any time ever going to do anything like this, but having walked the PW can vicariously relive their exploits in wonderment.
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Looks like second and third place have buddied up, as has the group of 4 with Carol Morgan. Probably sensible given the conditions ...
Carol seems to have dropped behind a bit. Looks like she stopped for a short while. Looks like she is dropping further behind, trust she is OK.
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Reading through that list of required items , unless there is a list of attached rules then some of it makes not a lot of sense. As with the spare batteries then for example the paracetamol, or the number of calories, once consumed do they HAVE to be replenished etcetera, or is it a registration checklist that can be used as and when required and not replenished?
I find this whole week strangely addictive. I am never at any time ever going to do anything like this, but having walked the PW can vicariously relive their exploits in wonderment.
They are checking the list as they leave each CP so I think if they loose or use something they would need to beg steal or borrow a replacement before they caan leave the next CP.
Pav has served most of his time penalty so he only needs to stay 15mins ahead of Simon & John.
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Sarah Kirsty Williams #2 lady. Is she calling it a day at Greenhead?
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Sarah Kirsty Williams #2 lady. Is she calling it a day at Greenhead?
Hopefully she is just having a short rest, her tracker is still working. 15.00 - she is on the move again.
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Wonder if it'll be a lot easier following in all the tracks than say the front few who are making the tracks, could well be some places made up over the cheviots!
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Sarah Kirsty Williams #2 lady. Is she calling it a day at Greenhead?
She's moving on ...
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On FB there's a suggestion about it being to do with snow goggles. But I think that is in comments rather than anything official...
I have wondered though, when looking at the small size packs some of the runners have, how on earth they manage to get all the required equipment into them. The mandatory list is quite comprehensive... I expect they will select the most lightweight compact stuff they can find, but even so, some of their packs are miles smaller than my day sack.
The simplest answer is they don't. Full winter kit takes up quite a lot of pack space, not to mention the runners have support teams who will carry spares for them. I imagine being able to strip out 1-3kg represents a few percent weight reduction for many of these guys. Over the course of several days that will be the difference between a top finish and being in the pack.
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The simplest answer is they don't. Full winter kit takes up quite a lot of pack space, not to mention the runners have support teams who will carry spares for them. I imagine being able to strip out 1-3kg represents a few percent weight reduction for many of these guys. Over the course of several days that will be the difference between a top finish and being in the pack.
I am sure the rule is that they do carry it all although clearly they will be wearing a lot of it.
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232 retiring by Cow Green Reservoir.
He took 50 minutes to get up Cauldron Snout, it must have been treacherous.
Now in a car progressing north at 19.00. Well done, you have my and all the other settee watchers our admiration.
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Pav still making heavy weather of the final stretch, the worse bit for me was getting down from Auchope Cairn to Hut 2 - really steep, I went down sideways! If it is thick snow perhaps he will go down on his backside.
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I see Pav is at the Auchope Hut now. I've been looking at his mileage since 11am, about 14 miles. That is approx. 1.8 mph. The snow must really be deep and hard going, at least the exertion will keep him warm the wind chill must be well below freezing.
Crikey, he didn't stop long, he is on his way again! Incredible endurance.
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Pav is past the 2nd refuge hut, I didn't think he would finish before midnight but he might if the path from the border crossing to KY is "reasonable".
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The 2nd and 3rd place individuals are going slower than Pav but he had a good nights sleep and food at Byrness!
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The 2nd and 3rd place individuals are going slower than Pav but he had a good nights sleep and food at Byrness!
I should imagine that is down to snow conditions being worse on the stretch to hut1 than they are on the ridge.Both those runners looked in good shape and good spirits earlier so it must be down to hard going rather than exhaustion or injury.Pav was very quick on the ridge.
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Pav has just over 6 miles to go, I hope does finish before midnight or we will all be very tired tomorrow :)
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It is just painful to watch, I hope they are all OK.
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That stretch to Hut 1 goes over quite a lot of broken, uneven land (esp if they went round the top of Chew Green). In deep snow that would be awkward ground to cover...ankle breaking stuff. Whilst the slopes are bigger on the ridge the path itself is more even pace for pace ( if that makes sense). Just had a look at the FB footage..looks tough......
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From the top of the Schill it's pretty much down hill all the way, except that killer road up from the Halterburn. Sure Pav will be at KY before bed time!
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Pav over the border fence 4 1/2 miles to go.
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Just back as our SAR Team were called out. Just in time to catch Pav enter KY :)
Well deserved win O0
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Just back as our SAR Team were called out. Just in time to catch Pav enter KY :)
Well deserved win O0
Where did you see that, his tracker is showing him just over the border fence.
Just realised I may have misread your comment i.e. you are home in time to watch him come into KY and it will be a well deserved win.
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Yes correct. Sorry, not probably making sense ... traumatic job.
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Has Pav popped into Burnhead to smarten himself up for the photos? That didn't take long!
2nd/3rd about 6 hours behind but I guess that they will have a rest in one of the huts before pressing on. If it was me I would wait until it got light.
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Sorry about the traumatic callout, sussamb. I don’t suppose you get used to these things. Do you get access to counselling and support.
Not too far now, Pav!
The twists and turns of the Spine Race / he didn’t look like a winner earlier in the week...
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Yep, support there if you need it. Seen most things in my life so not really an issue for me, but can affect others in the team.
As for Pav, yes, but then you can never count him out. Now all he faces is that final slope on the road before the short drop into KY O0
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Looks like he's arrived at KY
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Well done Pav great job. Joyce & Colin
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Yep fantastic effort O0 O0 O0
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Well done Pav I hope that there were lots of people there to congratulate you on your achievement.
Total time: 109:50:22
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Three times winner I believe. Amazing! Most of us mere mortals would be happy to walk the PW in the summer in 3 weeks. His, and the other competitors', achievements are streets ahead!
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Congratulations Pavel, 3 times winner O0
There were a few people there on the video Harland but it kept pausing. (on montane spine race facebook page)
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Frustrating wasn't it April - get Beefy to do it next year - the videoing, although would he be up for the race?
Now, to coin an oft repeated phrase, it's all about second place. John Knapp and Simon Gfeller have been together for a good stretch now. I imagine they are working as a team - sharing the ploughing through the snow. But how long will that continue?! I wonder of they will continue to tether to the end, or will the competitive element kick in?
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Frustrating wasn't it April - get Beefy to do it next year - the videoing, although would he be up for the race?
;D When I mentioned the Spine Race to him before I'm sure he said something like "utter madness" :)
Edited to add - No beefy actually said "he is a madman" when I said Pavel had only stopped for a few minutes at the Auchope Hut ;D
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Congratulations Pavel, 3 times winner O0
And runner up twice, an amazing record O0
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I MISSED IT! Had to go out to collect daughter.
Well done Pavel.
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Such consistency and determination - to be admired.
Oh no Ridge! After all that dot watching!!!
Carol Morgan is definitely separated from the group she was with overnight - hope she continues and is successful.
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I'm sure she will O0
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She was on fine form when she passed through CP 5.5
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Morning all.
Good to hear, ForestView. Will you be open for all participants going through?
Simon Gfeller second and John Knapp third. I’m not sure yet what the gap was between them.
Looking at the FB feed, while i sup my morning cuppa, I think there was a bit of a scramble for deadlines to leave Alston. Day off today so I can have built free dot watching fun!
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Simon Gfeller second and John Knapp third. I’m not sure yet what the gap was between them.
Morning Sarah
Enjoy your dot watching
I just missed them finish this morning, well done Simon and John O0
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The ones who have just left Alston have 19 hrs to reach and leave Bellingham but at least the trail is well marked for them now by the front runners.
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The ones who have just left Alston have 19 hrs to reach and leave Bellingham but at least the trail is well marked for them now by the front runners.
That must be about 2 miles an hour just to arrive in 19 hours which in those conditions and after 4 days walking is going to be tough.
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Then when they leave Bellingham they have 8 hours to reach and leave us then 16 hours get to KY with nowhere except the huts to sleep. Thats brutal when you are fresh let alone as wrecked as these guys are.
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80 miles in 2 days....over that ground :-[
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I did 42 in 2 days in May, and I was knackered. Unfortunately I was only at Hebden by then so still had the rest to go ;D
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They are incredible athletes aren't they? To be able to keep going through deep snow like that for hours on end, amazing.
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The walkers/runners who have yet to reach Greenhead have got to average at least 1.8mph to finish by 0800hrs on Sunday.I doubt if its possible because they will have to sleep for a few hours and that will up the needed average to unrealistic levels of at least 2.08 mph.Hard to average over that terrain in dry conditions,let alone after walking 200 miles in a few days and faced with snow,ice and extreme cold.
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Even Pav took 13 hours to get from Byrness to KY and that was after a long rest at Forest View.
Carol has taken over 13 hours and she still has to get to Auchope Cairn, so it isn't getting any easier. Simon who finished 2nd took 16 hours.
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First Lady Carol Morgan, now turned the corner on the Cheviot, soon to be at Hut 2
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Second placed lady expected here any minute.
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Get the kettle on.
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She had about 5 hours rest at Bellingham and left after 07.00 this morning, will she have some food and take a rest or push on and rest at Hut1. With at least 16 hours ahead of her it would make sense to have a good rest at Byrness, but she isn't me!
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First Lady Carol Morgan, now turned the corner on the Cheviot, soon to be at Hut 2
Arrived at 15.10 but didn't stop or if she did she just said "hello".
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She isn`t allowed they have changed the rules this year they must be in and out in 30 minutes. Pav could because it was an official hold for safety reasons. I think it`s because it is a midway CP ie. 5.5 it`s making getting everyone fed safely a bit frantic because we have to be careful when reheating the food. Still great fun though.
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Lots of UK competitors as you would expect but 1 from Indonesia. He may be a random person that I choose to follow.
And he is still going, number 229. Almost at Greenhead just now.
I have plenty of admiration for Pav and Carol who were runaway/walkaway winners but I really take my (woolly) hat off to those taking part who stand at that start line in Edale knowing that they have not a chance of winning or even being in the top 10/20. Knowing that they will be out on the course for much longer than the winners and still going when they could easily have stopped and not 1 person would either blame them or feel that they hadn't tried.
Just to keep going when your brain and body is telling you that you might as well stop.....a better man/woman than me O0
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Presumably she could bivvi on the green!
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Arrived at 15.10 but didn't stop or if she did she just said "hello".
Just topped up her water bottle then was off again O0
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Presumably she could bivvi on the green!
Didn't bother, now about to go up that small incline to the top of Byrness Hill.
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And he is still going, number 229. Almost at Greenhead just now.
Yes, I've been following him and he's still going strong. I also keep an eye on Phil Clarke, who is near the back, as I used to know another person with that name.
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Didn't bother, now about to go up that small incline to the top of Byrness Hill.
Yes, that 'small' incline ;D
Carol now over the Schil ... pretty much downhill now.
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Well its good to see that thuis race has captured your imagination, its hard keeping up with all the posts. O0
Firstly thank you for your kind thoughts on my efforts.
Kit discrepencies - yes there have been a few. Its a lottery at registration whether they check your full kit or just partly. Just three of my items were checked.
Pav took the 3 hour penalty although I'm not sure what he was short of, my thoughts are that it was most likely cooking equipment.
The French couple laso penalised 3 hours were not carrying Goggles. turns out it was a translation problem as the description on the compulsory list translated to safety glasses in french. Goggles were quickly found and they were allowed to carry on.
Tom Hollins again I don't know.
Eugeni retired due to his two GPS's failing. he had maps and can navigate with them in a limited fashion. However in all his other international races he uses the GPS exclusively and in periods of bad visibilty and at night he lacks confidence without them. He made a very honest and open post concerning this and has regained much respect as a result.
Pavel, what can you say, he burned them all off didn't he.
Everyone on the Facebook Spine Group are all now rooting for the tailenders, the two behind the last two ladies are going to find it a struggle going beyond Bellingham even if they do make the cut off.
The two that I was with just before my retirement, Allan Cormack and Michelle Payne, I'm afraid didn't make it. Michelle was shivering in the cafe at Ponden and I feared she would go down with hypothermia, which she did and was pulled out by medics at Tan Hill. Allan battled on the Dufton where everything finally caught up with him and with Cross Fell ahead decided enough was enough.
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A reminder of the cut-off times:-
CP5 - 0400 Saturday 20th Jan - Bellingham
CP5.5 - 1200 Saturday 20th Jan - Byrness
Finish - 0800 Sunday 21st Jan - Kirk Yetholm
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She isn`t allowed they have changed the rules this year they must be in and out in 30 minutes. Pav could because it was an official hold for safety reasons. I think it`s because it is a midway CP ie. 5.5 it`s making getting everyone fed safely a bit frantic because we have to be careful when reheating the food. Still great fun though.
That rule change is interesting - does that essentially mean that except for full CPs competitors are limited to stopping no more than 30 mins anywhere? eg huts, Is Dufton a full CP or not? And I wonder how that affects bivvying too...?
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Dufton also has the 30 minute rule.
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They can stay in the refuge huts as long as they like. The 30 minute rule is just for Malham Tarn, Horton In Ribblesdale Cafe, Dufton Village hall and Forest View Byrness.
They are going to be desperate for some sleep at Bellingham, so arriving late, i.e. with only a couple of hours to spare and knowing you then have no chance without bivvying until Hut 1 is going to mentally tough.
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Deleted as Slogger beat me to it!
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Back marker no. 173 Yan L'hostis has around 21 miles to go to Bellingham, with the terrain ahead and the speed he is moving its going to take him around 9 - 10 hours. If that's correct, it gets him in an hour or so before he's got to exit CP5.
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They can stay in the refuge huts as long as they like. The 30 minute rule is just for Malham Tarn, Horton In Ribblesdale Cafe, Dufton Village hall and Forest View Byrness.
They are going to be desperate for some sleep at Bellingham, so arriving late, i.e. with only a couple of hours to spare and knowing you then have no chance without bivvying until Hut 1 is going to mentally tough.
Thanks for the explanation slogger.
Sorry your attempt wasn’t as successful as you’d have liked - but well done for being good enough to get on the starting line.
I also found your comments about kit check interesting - there has been a bit of speculation here about the mandatory kit list cf the size (small) of some of the packs.
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This is in the FAQ on the Spine web site https://thespinerace.com/faq/
MONTANE® Spine® Race & Challenger
There may be up to three additional minor check points (Malham Tarn, Dufton, Byrness) but they aren’t intended as places for you to sleep necessarily, in fact Malham Tarn and Dufton have a 30-minute maximum stay rule. But they will all provide hot drinks, toilets, medical staff, weather updates and race information. Greg’s Hut (after Dufton, as you descend Cross Fell) is usually also occupied by race staff, who may well offer you noddles.
No reference that you can't stay longer than 30 minutes at Bryness. Have the rules changed and the web site not updated?
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Carol Morgan just finishing, great effort O0
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Carol Morgan just finishing, great effort O0
Congratulations, you can get a free pint now - if they don't give you one then tell them I'll pay.
Good, but brief video of her at the finish - guess what it is snowing!
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Well done Carol, I am in total awe, amazing O0
@ Ridge how did your Indonesian entrant do?
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Well done Carol, I am in total awe, amazing O0
@ Ridge how did your Indonesian entrant do?
I see Ridge has went offline so I'll answer for him as I've also been keeping an eye on him. Hendra Wijaya, number 229 is still going and at the moment is approaching the bit where you cut off Hadrians Wall path and down towards the forest, which won't be much fun if it's as muddy as it always seems to be, even in summer.
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@ Ridge how did your Indonesian entrant do?
Thanks bricam, I had to drive home but I'm back on line now.
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Spine Race rules No.14. "Monitoring Locations such as CP1.5 (Malham Tarn), Dufton & Byrness are subject to a 30 minute maximum indoor stay."
The cafe in Horton is not included as pubs, cafes shops etc are allowed to be used.
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Spine Race rules No.14. "Monitoring Locations such as CP1.5 (Malham Tarn), Dufton & Byrness are subject to a 30 minute maximum indoor stay."
The cafe in Horton is not included as pubs, cafes shops etc are allowed to be used.
Thanks. Shame the web site wasn't updated. I couldn't find the rules.
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173 at the back is moving very slowly, no way will he make the cut off and if I was the organisers I'd be getting someone out to check on him
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Looks like he's heading to the road. Hope he's OK.
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Me too O0
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Has he "just" dropped down off the wall onto the flatter bit nearer the road although he may be heading for the Twice Brewed Inn - I can recommend it.
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He has been in exactly the same place for 10 mins, the last 2 times he has updated.
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Oh no, hes heading back up!
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Back against the wall again! As you say he won't make the next CP in time. He has taken about an hour to cover 7/800 metres.
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No but what determination, to be in such a state that you can wander off the wall and then to drag yourself back to it.
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It's exhausting just imagining the effort he has put in. Bad enough in the dark, but the cold, wind, snow and all alone...
Hope he is ok though. I recall in earlier years, competitors getting hypothermia, teams going out to rescue them.
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I think the safety teams have been out to check he's ok
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I think the safety teams have been out to check he's ok
From facebook: "Spine Safety Team 3 have been out checking the indomitable 'tailgunners' in the Spine race and have this to say...
'Phil Clarke and Jann L'Hostis in good spirits, buoyed by a local farmer and his wife who have been dot watching all day, popping out with a cup of warm soup for each of them."
Not sure if he will make the cut off but he is certainly giving it a go.
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Yann now showing as retired.
Good night all
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Yann now showing as retired.
Good night all
I wish I had stayed up later, I kept waking up wondering how he was getting on. Well done to him for pressing on, it can't be easy knowing you are the tailgunner and that Pav etc are safely in the warm at the finish.
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I wish I had stayed up later, I kept waking up wondering how he was getting on. Well done to him for pressing on, it can't be easy knowing you are the tailgunner and that Pav etc are safely in the warm at the finish.
I think I must have put a curse on him.After posting that he was okay I looked at the map five minutes later and he had gone! Probably the right decision as he was near to a road.
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Looks as if the race for second place woman is well and truly on.
Hope I haven't put the same curse on Sarah Kirsty
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Looks as if the race for second place woman is well and truly on.
Hope I haven't put the same curse on Sarah Kirsty
Yes I have just taken my first look of the day and be non surprised by how close the 2nd, 3rd and 4th women are. I was mulling over whether Sarah Kirsty Williams might just about be safe in second, with possibly 3rd up for grabs between the other two...
Edited to add I have just been catching up on the FB finishers videos and Matt Harman got down on one knee (impressive ensoufré after the PW) and proposed to his girlfriend - all caught on video! She was totally surprised and said yes - awwww, sniff, :smitten: :smitten:
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Sarah seems to be OK having had a "rest" for over 4 hours at Hut1 but there is still a long way to go and 183 (Ita is this her nationality or her name) Emanuela is less than an hour behind.
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It looks as though 219 Sharon Sullivan may be the last one to make the cut off at Byrness by 12.00, leaving 6 contestants not quite making it.
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A few more behind could make it too by my reckoning, three of them are past Paddon Hill so just the forest section to go :-\
Will depend on the going through Kielder.
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A few more behind could make it too by my reckoning, three of them are past Paddon Hill so just the forest section to go :-\
Will depend on the going through Kielder.
They will have to push as the last guy into Byrness took over 2 hours from where they are now and the last tracker time for them was 10.10.
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Yes agreed, it will be tight. Just heard Pav's interview, he says he won't be coming back for a sixth spine race, but then he's said before he won't be back!
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The Cheviot Ridge is taking way longer than usual sarah left yesterday afternoon and had got to russell Cairn by this morning she still has about 3Ks to the second hut. Even if they make the cut at Byrness it is still odds on against them.
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It looks as though 219 Sharon Sullivan may be the last one to make the cut off at Byrness by 12.00, leaving 6 contestants not quite making it.
Contestants? "I am a runner,get me out of here". I should imagine most of them would prefer to be called competitors. ;)
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The Cheviot Ridge is taking way longer than usual sarah left yesterday afternoon and had got to russell Cairn by this morning she still has about 3Ks to the second hut. Even if they make the cut at Byrness it is still odds on against them.
Yep, that's true but at least they'd finish even if out of time. I know if it were me (which it never will be) I'd prefer to finish out of time than be timed out at Bryness, even though the thought of drinking your ale is a lovely one this Saturday morning O0
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Whilst they set off as competitors at Edale I think that they are now contestants although they are now competing against the elements to finish rather than against any competition. ;) 1964 "O" level English failed! :D
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Sharron is inside the last mile now to Byrness, so will make that cut off, however the two behind Andy and sarah Norman are going to have to get a 'wiggle on' (Sharron Sullivans expression) as they still have just over 4 mile to go and just over an hour left. Having said that they will be determined I'm sure and on that forest road you can get a good pace going. It's touch and go for them, fingers crossed.
Whether there is any allowance for the time they were held, I'm not sure. When we were briefly held at Dufton in 2014, the hour and half was deducted from our finishing time, there was no adjustment to CP cut offs during the race.
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Whilst they set off as competitors at Edale I think that they are now contestants although they are now competing against the elements to finish rather than against any competition. ;) 1964 "O" level English failed! :D
I think you are right.At least it is a real "reality" show with real people rather than some rubbish made up in a mock jungle with vacuous "celebrities".
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Sharron is inside the last mile now to Byrness, so will make that cut off, however the two behind Andy and sarah Norman are going to have to get a 'wiggle on' (Sharron Sullivans expression) as they still have just over 4 mile to go and just over an hour left. Having said that they will be determined I'm sure and on that forest road you can get a good pace going. It's touch and go for them, fingers crossed.
Whether there is any allowance for the time they were held, I'm not sure. When we were briefly held at Dufton in 2014, the hour and half was deducted from our finishing time, there was no adjustment to CP cut offs during the race.
According to the blurb the cut-off times will remain the same at Bellingham and Bryness.Four miles in an hour? Its possible as the ground is reasonably flat on that section.
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I think you are right.At least it is a real "reality" show with real people rather than some rubbish made up in a mock jungle with vacuous "celebrities".
Not that I watch the jungle or the dancing but if they are "celebrities" why don't I know any of them?
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I think that they may be 10 minutes short, but as they know the time perhaps they will press on a bit more if they are able. My question is "do they have to leave Byrness by 12.00 or arrive by 12.00".
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Good point, not sure. If leave they'll have issues but I suspect it's arrive by ...
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It's the husband/wife duo who could make it. He seems ahead now so she's probably told him to press on and not wait for her :-\
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It's the husband/wife duo who could make it. He seems ahead now so she's probably told him to press on and not wait for her :-\
Still together, but it is going to be b...... close! If anyone is local in Byrness go and encourage them (please)!
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I had lost sight of the women's 2nd place race, I think that they are closing on Sarah Kirsty!
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She has enough of a lead to not be worried I think given that she's nearly at the hut and they still have to turn the corner, but it's certainly possible she could be caught :)
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What a shame the Normans are not going to make it. 4 minutes to cut off and over half a mile to go.
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Will they be very strict? 20 hours to get to KY!
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Where's the actual checkpoint though? Is it at Colin's or at the point shown on the Spine Race map, if the latter they'll make it.
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Where's the actual checkpoint though? Is it at Colin's or at the point shown on the Spine Race map, if the latter they'll make it.
I am fairly sure it is Forest View.
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Me too but I'm clutching at straws for them ;D
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It is showing that Sarah got to Byrness at 11.53.06!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And Andy at 11.56.09!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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They made it, they both made it!
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Yes, seems the timing point is where I thought it was O0
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It is showing that Sarah got to Byrness at 11.53.06!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And Andy at 11.56.09!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That's weird as he always appears in front of her :-\
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Shame for the ones who will be timed out having been held for so long.
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Yes.
At the front Sarah hardly stopped at Hen Hole hut ... hopefully she can power up the Schil and keep her second place.
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All depends on the update delay. The cut off point is at Forest View. I thought they had missed it by around 9 minutes.
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Jens Wackerhagen a guy that I know from previous Spines is showing as retired at Hut 2. If that is correct, he surely will require assistance to get down to KY as there is still 20 hours left.
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Yes, seems the timing point is where I thought it was O0
Looking at Pav's tracker he didn't go anywhere near the Hotel, main road, he didn't even go across the stream until he got near to Forest View. His tracker time seems to indicate, as would this couple, that the time is taken by the buildings just this side of ford leading into Byrness. No doubt Joyce and Colin can put us straight when they have a bit of time to themselves.
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Jens Wackerhagen a guy that I know from previous Spines is showing as retired at Hut 2. If that is correct, he surely will require assistance to get down to KY as there is still 20 hours left.
Wow he must really be in a bad way that a long rest wouldn't enable him to continue, so near yet so far. Very sorry for him.
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Yes theres some confusion at to where the timing point actually is. All we were told as per documents is that it is at Byrness, so assumed it was the monitoring station at forest view, as that is what it stated in the docs.
Something else, some are saying that they may be given extra time as they were taken off the route and taken back to middleton due to the weather and have had to do that part of the route again??
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Something else, some are saying that they may be given extra time as they were taken off the route and taken back to middleton due to the weather and have had to do that part of the route again??
Were saying at the time that it didn't seem to be fair.
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Back to the Byrness check point. Andy's tracker shows that he past the "ford" marker at 11.53.08, Sandra's tracker shows she finished at Byrness at 11.53.06!
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Numbers 3 and 4 women arrived at Hut2 together.
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Latest on those only just making or missing the cut off at Byrness,inc three still still en route. They have been given a four hour credit due to being taken back to Middleton. Remains to be seen if that extended their cut off at Byrness or was to be deducted from finishing time??
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Time is one thing but they had to walk about another 8 miles again. I have only checked Hendra Wijaya one of those due into Byrness before too long, he was one that had to re-walk to Forest-in-Teesdale.
The Norman's, who have just started up Byrness Hill, also had to re-walk from Middleton - I bet they wish they were now 8 miles closer to KY.
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Daphné Derouch is speeding up and catching Sarah Kirsty, she seems to have paced herself well and finishing strongly.
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I think Joyce mentioned the other night that runners could only spend 30 minutes in FV so I presume that FV is the CP.
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Daphné Derouch is speeding up and catching Sarah Kirsty, she seems to have paced herself well and finishing strongly.
She is certainly giving it a go.Perhaps she will show killer instinct and attack on the final hill into KY. >:D
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She is certainly giving it a go.Perhaps she will show killer instinct and attack on the final hill into KY. >:D
I think that she will catch her well before that.
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But Daphne got a time penalty. Did she serve it or is it added on at the end?
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Sarah must be working hard at trying to keep ahead of Daphne as she’s now left her male companions behind.
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Daphne has been handed another (i think) 3 hr penalty to be added to her time when she finishes so kirsty should steal 2nd place!! O0
Sorry meant to say sarah kirsty!!
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I wonder if Sarah will be aware of that
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Sarah must be working hard at trying to keep ahead of Daphne as she’s now left her male companions behind.
Daphne is now in front, but not by 3 hours if indeed she has that penalty
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Daphne has got a 3 hour penalty.
"Breaking news... It transpires that Daphne Derouch was issued with a three-hour time penalty for a mandatory kit discrepancy last night, to be added to her time at the end of the race." Spine FB 22 min ago.
They really do hate the French. ;)
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Oh that takes the fun out of watching now ;D
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The people who I thought would be stopped at Byrness are continuing, at least Dima Feinhaus is.
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Looks like Sarah Kirsty is closing in on her.Lets hope that Sarah Kirsty dosen't understand French ;)
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Daphne has got a 3 hour penalty.
"Breaking news... It transpires that Daphne Derouch was issued with a three-hour time penalty for a mandatory kit discrepancy last night, to be added to her time at the end of the race." Spine FB 22 min ago.
They really do hate the French. ;)
Really sorry it has finished that way however as it was a mandatory kit discrepancy then I can't argue, the organisers really do need the competitors/contestants to stay safe.
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Really sorry it has finished that way however as it was a mandatory kit discrepancy then I can't argue, the organisers really do need the competitors/contestants to stay safe.
I agree,but they really do need to get their act together and carry out proper kit checks at the start and make sure people really do understand what they have got to carry at all times.
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Agreed. I think the mistake some seem to make is the fact they have a drop bag, so believe kit can be removed/returned/replaced from that at will depending on what they think the next leg will be like, rather than understanding 'this is what you must carry at all times'. Seems partly this time as well there have been some language difficulties.
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Last one through i`m off to be........ZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz....................
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Well done guys, stars again, now get some rest O0
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It really does needs more clarification on when and where credit, and penalty times are served, as it looks like it is made up as they go at the moment and has been different in some cases in different years.
If penalty times are being awarded after the finish, then that is different to last year when Pavel and Eugeni served their penalty at the next CP, after taking to a road instead of following the route across fileds.
The fact that credits were given for those that were picked up and taken back to Middleton, well that has never happened before so is a new one, and has obviously been allowed as extra time during the race, not after the finish.
Runners need to know all these things beforehand and I will make that point to Scott if no one else has done so already.
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Daphné Derouch must have extremely hacked off, her time from clocking in at Byrness to Kirk Yetholm was 15 hours 22 minutes. Sarah Kirsty Williams took 24 hours 15 minutes.
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Jens Wackerhagen who reached hut2 then retired says that he ran short of food and lost a 600 calory bottle during a fall, which left him exhausted. He had to battle hard on low energy reserves and fight his way through sometimes waist deep snow, hallucinating badly, to reach hut 2. He was wrapped in sleeping bags and gold foil where he slept for several hours. Its a bit confusing after that and it seems he retired upon reaching the hut. he states that upon waking he realised that he could have eaten in the hut and carried on to finish. However a photo of him being supported in the Border hotel in KY, gives the impression that that option was not really on.
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Looks like 228 has made the same mistake that someone else did last year, cant recall who though?
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Jens Wackerhagen who reached hut2 then retired says that he ran short of food and lost a 600 calory bottle during a fall, which left him exhausted. He had to battle hard on low energy reserves and fight his way through sometimes waist deep snow, hallucinating badly, to reach hut 2. He was wrapped in sleeping bags and gold foil where he slept for several hours. Its a bit confusing after that and it seems he retired upon reaching the hut. he states that upon waking he realised that he could have eaten in the hut and carried on to finish. However a photo of him being supported in the Border hotel in KY, gives the impression that that option was not really on.
He wouldn`t have been carrying the necessary number of emergency calories as per the mandatory list to exit the hut as required by the rules and the guys in the hut couldn`t have given him supplies to take away as this would have counted as outside support like we could feed the runners in the CP but not give them coffee sachets to take away.
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Looks like 228 has made the same mistake that someone else did last year, cant recall who though?
It was one of the leaders, was it Pav?
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For what it`s worth the time penalties that I saw imposed were harsh but fair as they need to be when safety kit is involved. The conditions on the Cheviot ridge last night were truly brutal the kit on the list is to keep them alive.
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It was one of the leaders, was it Pav?
Yes, I'd thought that too, but wasn't sure enough to mention it. Back on track now having retraced his steps, 'Pav' if I recall correctly simply climbed up the steep slope!
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Yes, I'd thought that too, but wasn't sure enough to mention it. Back on track now having retraced his steps, 'Pav' if I recall correctly simply climbed up the steep slope!
Just checked back it was Eugeni - sorry Pav didn't mean it!
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;D Doubt he reads this forum so you're safe O0
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Evening all. I had to go out this afternoon (braved the madness of ikea at the weekend) so I’ve been catching up here on the events. Agree with Slogger about the need for clarity and consistency about how the rules and time pénalités are applied. It’s puzzling enough for the sofa support teams -warm, well fed and rested. Must be hard to follow when you are fatigued, exhausted and your wits are on survival and route finding.
Off to dot watch for a while and catch up on the FB spine race page, plus support Phil Clarke as the tail runner. Hope he gets in safely -are they meant to finish by 8am tomorrow?
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Yes its 8.00am. Phil is staggering on.
I have a spine race related injury. Having spent all afternoon dot watching I twisted my knee getting off the sofa, I can barely stagger to the kitchen for another beer.
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Oh what a shame, really feel for you ;D
Wish we knew a bit more about the kit they use, Pav's rucsac for example looks exactly like the one I would like, but can never find. Anyone know what make it might be?
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Oh what a shame, really feel for you ;D
Not related to my wife are you?
I hope that Phil Clarke has a problem with his tracker and hasn't really stopped.
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Not related to my wife are you?
Not that I know ;D
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I hope that Phil Clarke has a problem with his tracker and hasn't really stopped.
Think he's resting at the hut O0
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Think he's resting at the hut O0
Of course.
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He's off again O0
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It's amazing that he can bring himself to stand again once he rested in the hut.
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Daphné Derouch now placed 4th woman presumably after one 3 hour penalty, presumably the 1st 3 hour penalty had been served elsewhere.
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229 Hendra Wijaya seems to be really struggling at the moment. :(
40 minutes for less than 1K.
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It's amazing that he can bring himself to stand again once he rested in the hut.
He seems to be progressing pretty well.
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Yes but can he keep it up, 15 miles from where he is with less then 10 hours to go.
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Yes but can he keep it up, 15 miles from where he is with less then 10 hours to go.
Whilst he may not agree, as far as I am concerned, as long as he finishes the time doesn't matter.
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yep, I agree too, glad they didn't time them out at Byrness especially after a 6 hour pause.
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Just seen the horror movie on Facebook of the state of one of the runners feet at the end of the event. How do they carry on. Amazing.
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Well I'm off to bed. I think that 128 Phil Clarke will catch and either overtake 229 Hendra Wijaya or walk with him before the end. Good luck to all, I'll be up well before the cut off time to clap the Lanterne Rouge in.
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Yep time for bed, night all. See you just before 8.00.
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Just had a look at the dots and they are all in. The last time on Phil Clarke’s tracker is 7-03 so if that s when he got in, he timed it well, but must have been tough for him and all of the finishers, keeping moving all night.
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Yes well done to them all. Now what can I do all day? I could go for a walk but it is a bit cold!!! ;D ;D ;D
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Just up to see they all made it, fantastic!
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Yes good to see that all the stragglers made it home. A great effort by all concerned.
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Yes well done to all who took part whether or not they finished :)
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Crazy how last sunday seems so far away but yet still only yesterday, don't now what i'll be doing from now until whenever to fill in my time( apart from trying to get fit). Congrats to everyone who took part and those that finished the spine this year, im sure along with me there will be plenty of people who you will have inspired! Hoping to take the full week off work next year to follow this great event, will maybe volunteer to help if they accept complete novices?
Once again thanks to everyone involved with the Montane spine race 2018, its my new passion!! O0
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im sure along with me there will be plenty of people who you will have inspired!
Amazed, impressed, entertained even but definitely not inspired to try it.
Did you see the interview with Phil Clarke at the end saying how slowly he had gone, this from a man who has just completed the Pennine Way in a week in January.
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I wouldn't attempt it in the summer over a week let alone winter, hats off to them all O0
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I wouldn't attempt it in the summer over a week let alone winter, hats off to them all O0
I have wondered (since I did it) about how long it would take me to walk it (not run) if I pushed myself and got someone to support me during an attempt. Walked it in 13 days.
Have you ever wondered how far you could walk in 24 hours if you had to and where you would attempt it? Certainly not the PW but maybe the Coast to Coast?
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Did the LWW a few years ago in 15 hrs ie no real pack and in company. Was fairly weary at the end. Supported; no big pack and no rest days I reckon 9 or 10 days for the PW
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The final tally from CP 5.5 77 meals eaten by runners, safety team and medics. 26 pounds of Aberdeen angus beef, 3 packs of Quorn, 2 sacks of spuds, 1 sack of onions and 1 sack of carrotts. 4 packs of bacon and dozens of eggs. There was only one lady I couldn`t feed it was the last vegetarian through and we only had beef mince made and there was not time to defrost a veggie meal in time for her to eat it inside the 30 mins. It beggars the imagination what the tally for CP1 would be as they have all of the starters from the challenger and the spine and with less time spread.
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:o :o :o O0
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The final tally from CP 5.5 77 meals eaten by runners, safety team and medics. 26 pounds of Aberdeen angus beef, 3 packs of Quorn, 2 sacks of spuds, 1 sack of onions and 1 sack of carrotts. 4 packs of bacon and dozens of eggs. There was only one lady I couldn`t feed it was the last vegetarian through and we only had beef mince made and there was not time to defrost a veggie meal in time for her to eat it inside the 30 mins. It beggars the imagination what the tally for CP1 would be as they have all of the starters from the challenger and the spine and with less time spread.
That's impressive. Well done for all your hard work. You both deserve a medal. I'm sure is due to all your hard work they got to the finish.
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well done guys.
btw, scrub that..10/11 days!
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He wouldn`t have been carrying the necessary number of emergency calories as per the mandatory list to exit the hut as required by the rules and the guys in the hut couldn`t have given him supplies to take away as this would have counted as outside support like we could feed the runners in the CP but not give them coffee sachets to take away.
The 3,000 minimum calories as per race rules, for consumption on the route (not retained) were to be carried form the start, CP 3 Middleton and CP5 Bellingham. Food/water etc given by Spine support teams on the route is not counted as outside support, also runners giving other runners support by way of food/water clothing etc is not counted as outside support and such support is in fact encouraged.
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Jens Wackerhagen who reached hut2 then retired says that he ran short of food and lost a 600 calory bottle during a fall, which left him exhausted. He had to battle hard on low energy reserves and fight his way through sometimes waist deep snow, hallucinating badly, to reach hut 2. He was wrapped in sleeping bags and gold foil where he slept for several hours. Its a bit confusing after that and it seems he retired upon reaching the hut. he states that upon waking he realised that he could have eaten in the hut and carried on to finish. However a photo of him being supported in the Border hotel in KY, gives the impression that that option was not really on.
It turns out that Jens can only consume Gluten Free food, which he had well run out of, and none was available at Hut 2, hemnce he couldn't eat there and continue on to the finish despite him feeling really good after a good sleep.
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Thats a shame I know exactly the guy you are talking about now.