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Title: Public road on ordnance survey map
Post by: wooney00 on 15:38:26, 27/11/19
Hi just signed and ha e pretty basic question.


On an ordnance survey map can you go down country roads that show two black lines which are broken.


I've come across several which are not indicated as footpaths but have several houses down so wo defed if they are classed as a road.


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Something like that..


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Title: Re: Public road on ordnance survey map
Post by: jimbob on 16:00:12, 27/11/19
Os usually define every marker on every map.
Given that you have tried your best to replicate what you are describing I can see a few choices, given a bit of leeway for interpreting your replication. A single track railway line, a bridleway or a boundary marker.
The thing about walking based on OS maps is finding out if they are publuc/ permissive rights of way or for private use only. The OS maps whilst truly great guides are not definitive. The local authority usually holds, many publish on the Web, the definitive maps.
Title: Re: Public road on ordnance survey map
Post by: wooney00 on 16:02:51, 27/11/19
It is the two lines but closer together they are roads but not marked in straight lime
Title: Re: Public road on ordnance survey map
Post by: Owen on 16:33:07, 27/11/19
If it's two dashed lines it's probably an unfenced minor road. The OS won't show whether it public or private. Assume it's public, if challenged just "Oh sorry didn't realize it was private".
Title: Re: Public road on ordnance survey map
Post by: Mel on 16:41:30, 27/11/19
On an ordnance survey map can you go down country roads that show two black lines which are broken.


Yes.


I've come across several which are not indicated as footpaths but have several houses down so wo defed if they are classed as a road.  


 
Yes, they are classed as a road or track.  If there is no onward path round/beyond the buildings the chances are it could be a driveway or an access road.
 
Just because it doesn’t have a green dotted or dashed public right of way symbol overlaid on the map doesn’t mean you can’t walk it.
 
This link might be of use to you:  https://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/mapzone/assets/doc/Explorer-25k-Legend-en.pdf (https://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/mapzone/assets/doc/Explorer-25k-Legend-en.pdf)
 
 
Title: Re: Public road on ordnance survey map
Post by: vizzavona on 17:27:10, 27/11/19
As been said the OS conventional signs/symbols.
In Scotland the double dashed symbols are usually on Estates with access for walkers and bikers unless Estate activities are on-going.
Title: Re: Public road on ordnance survey map
Post by: fernman on 17:41:42, 27/11/19
The pair of dashed lines usually apply to a road that crosses open moorland or commons where there are no hedges or fences either side.
Compare the photo with the map, which shows the walls of the bridge as solid lines and the remainder as dashed lines.
(https://i.postimg.cc/FHyXqPHx/Crop.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/Qd8Z2QKG/Image-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Public road on ordnance survey map
Post by: Sleepy on 18:42:22, 27/11/19
I'm a bit rusty but I'd say if it looks like this you're ok because it's shaded "yellowish" signifying that it's on open access land.

(https://photos.app.goo.gl/Y6NuBUTnLR65b8n18)
(https://photos.app.goo.gl/Y6NuBUTnLR65b8n18)
(http://https://photos.app.goo.gl/Y6NuBUTnLR65b8n18)

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IF it's not shaded (white background) and doesn't have a green dashed line along it or big green spots/diamonds then no, it's a track but not necessarily a public right of way




 
Title: Re: Public road on ordnance survey map
Post by: wooney00 on 18:57:33, 27/11/19
Thanks for the help much appreciated, the main one I came across wasn't a dead end and there was no no entry signs so unless told otherwise I'll give it a go
Title: Re: Public road on ordnance survey map
Post by: jimbob on 18:59:45, 27/11/19
Thanks for the help much appreciated, the main one I came across wasn't a dead end and there was no no entry signs so unless told otherwise I'll give it a go
O0
Title: Re: Public road on ordnance survey map
Post by: Sleepy on 19:08:12, 27/11/19
And here, between the road (just above the blue compass symbol) and the top right hand corner - it's outside of the access land so, yes it's a track - BUT it's not necessarily "walkable"


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Title: Re: Public road on ordnance survey map
Post by: BuzyG on 20:52:28, 27/11/19
I'm a bit rusty but I'd say if it looks like this you're ok because it's shaded "yellowish" signifying that it's on open access land.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/idrbsdEpbAKnOPYx7rYXS50Ath61g7cnnrC_clKc_qhkj4xUy37NOLzhdiBahPLkYAZJsOeaOzWC97PUQZKfFn-_NFqee6ygJZy0xpP5iXBcTgxjJB1NbHFCcn3A3TxaaPpSQOZWG3Ib5OmiCHpurQwErJprwRlH9LARis53C15dMnxoSmVzs9W5tG7wlhjgoyp5u6LAT7B7rPOCyK2C5zozaac2qkwuVPmFwJIlrCuGgK-ys5GBTa3cTSR4X5wPfsHMDVq-1l-46xQGWCYYUGQoPafWOZfi6E2yyAd7rj-VLL9BTsYDqTdUPkTH4ZqAQdNtdYzlapvMARx0FA6YfMrGdjyx_DCbeBCdBf6LnO4Tm4nkIdNWDwTVOf71ANWh9I1w4qRIMOEKUyBDXt8h9xHt97G0XVm3HfQGmsOmCuPGOccVcvPl8xsGKN7Zy9nIcdAVhQKQcrQMz9IeQN9AF8dvkqvWa90UEi2Moxn_NsgBVqOBWEKZgiZSMx04zskx_G8LZBI_7offmyFYFVFnhFuJq6HpRpI2n9s0jiLxq_wmCL246jFkt1DzSyDOkiN_X_6KPfuZzAm0GGPHruRp2wFaI4FJ7GLTUGllXSXdnGXOghIXe72gnl7HDpUOTaCXYKVLsepkyA-vIvjwOUcWhQqo8FYySHUvbYT4-HztFzfoWH-Ty0UaHLQ=w498-h789-no)

IF it's not shaded (white background) and doesn't have a green dashed line along it or big green spots/diamonds then no, it's a track but not necessarily a public right of way

 :crazy2: Bare with me, bloomin' img thingy isn't playing ball

I agree completely with Sleepy. In practice however I can never recall being stopped or challenged walking down such a track.  Of course if there is a sign saying private or such like, then you would be wise to respect it.

Forestry commission land is prime example.
Title: Re: Public road on ordnance survey map
Post by: Sleepy on 22:23:09, 27/11/19
Of course, we're probably all on the same page there Buzy  O0


For the purpose of learning though, it's probably best to stick to black and white  ;)




Wooney, have we got the right roads? Or is it still different to anything shown here so far?
Title: Re: Public road on ordnance survey map
Post by: wooney00 on 22:42:38, 27/11/19
Yes it's the double dash next to the number 250 on sleepy's map.


Its worth mentioning that there are about half a dozen houses off one of the main routes I take, so it's probably less likely I'll be stopped. It's a lovely area so a shame to miss out
Title: Re: Public road on ordnance survey map
Post by: Mel on 23:00:11, 27/11/19

Here's another example for you... the "Y-Front" shaped track between Thorn Villa Farm and Hilltop Farm.  This is an example of a path/track/road I wouldn't bother with as it's quite obvious they are farm access tracks.  Even though you can see onward paths leading from the farms, they aren't accessible without passing directly through the farm itself.  As this track isn't marked as a public right of way (green markings), nor is it on Access Land (yellowy colour washed area) I wouldn't walk it, firstly because it only leads to the farms and secondly if you look closely, the onward paths are blocked by some sort of boundary or gate or building - indicated by the solid line going across the path (particularly obvious at Hilltop Farm).





(https://i.postimg.cc/GmpJQCkw/Screencapture.jpg)


To be honest, it can all be a bit trial and error but great fun in the exploring - both on the map and on foot  O0
Title: Re: Public road on ordnance survey map
Post by: barewirewalker on 08:04:11, 28/11/19
Welcome to the forum, I think others have defined the nature of grey paths, tracks and roads very well, but there are many shades of grey. Since the passing of the CRoW Act, those who have read internal publications of the landowners and farming press might feel some concern that the boundary between de facto rights of way and actual rights of way as marked on the map and refer to the Definitive map may be under some threat.

It is wise to tread with caution, as shown with Mel's map there are two options to avoid a walking an A road to reach an adopted track. Yet neither are rights of way. Are they Lostways?

In 1949. an Act of Parliament was past intending to award the people of this country the freedom of their countryside for the sacrifices made by those through 2 World Wars. Unfortunately the administrations, County council etc. were in turmoil, postwar, and in the case of many Shire counties dominated by Landowners, who lived in a past age.

This resulted in the Corruption of the Definitive Map, both by poor assessment or vestige interest, that will now be further exacerbated by individuals' sense of property.

Thorn Villa Farm has a grey track from the west and grey path from the east both ways linked by walking through the farm yard, pre-1960's local people would happily walk through an active farmyard if it was an accepted way to a destination.
Hilltop Farm is a very small holding, despite the barrier shown, there are tracks both from the North west and South East. Is this a stronger way? The way does show a very slight tendency to go around the property, a sign that in other similar anomalies can be more apparent. So how important are these ways to today's access map and the future development of a network that is an important part of our society?
As Mel says;
To be honest, it can all be a bit trial and error but great fun in the exploring - both on the map and on foot  O0
But also important to continually question and criticize how our countryside is occupied and shared. I made some interesting discoveries yesterday, a lostway with a lost bridge and a Right of Way that property owners are doing their best to eradicate, all part of a 15 mile way of grey and green ways.
Title: Re: Public road on ordnance survey map
Post by: fernman on 09:05:12, 28/11/19
Last May I followed the winding track shown below from the lake on the left to the property at Bryn-du. I did not see the footpaths marked on the map. The track ended at a wooden five-bar gate with a 'Private No Access' sign. Beyond the gate was a stone chip drive leading to a public road.
As I was at the end of a 4-day walk I did not want to climb all the way back up the hill I had just come down to find another route, so I tiptoed past holding my breath until I was safely beyond the private bit.
(https://i.postimg.cc/L4xhtv1q/Image-2.jpg)
Title: Re: Public road on ordnance survey map
Post by: Mel on 18:48:51, 28/11/19
Wooney00 - try not to be put off by barewirewalker's somewhat lengthy reply.  As you may have guessed, he's rather passionate about where you can and can't walk and goes off on a tangent when he gets carried away! 


You'll have to let us know how you get on and how what's on the ground compares with the map after you've explored  O0



Title: Re: Public road on ordnance survey map
Post by: wooney00 on 18:54:53, 28/11/19
Thanks for that, I will let you know :)
Title: Re: Public road on ordnance survey map
Post by: barewirewalker on 13:10:30, 30/11/19
Wooney, I will also be interested in how you get on. Mel has a tendency to be reactive to my posts, I had hoped to make you aware of some of the politics behind the likely reactions you may experience walking unadopted roads. The obvious is a drive to a domestic residence and this can be made confusing by a RoW footpath joining it. There are many more complicated interpretations, but even the most simple may result in a meeting with a property owner, who may or may not be happy that you are there.
Sadly the authorities are often backward in dealing with these issues and when they may be a bit contentious and too worried about political correctness to take sides.
Should you be interested in some examples, there are plenty I won't burden your topic with unnecessary links, but this is not the first time this question has been aired on this forum. Then the actual location was provided and this had some interesting relevance to a number of general walking issues.
 
Title: Re: Public road on ordnance survey map
Post by: BuzyG on 10:18:01, 01/12/19
There is a route I walk regularly on Bodmin moor. At one point two areas of access land are joined by a dotted lane.  No RoW is marked.  I have twice waked through there when there has been a shoot taking place on the private land.  On both occasions I approached a safety look out on Killmar tor.  On both occasions I was asked where I was heading and allowed through, they also stopped the shoot whist I transited the area. :)
Title: Re: Public road on ordnance survey map
Post by: GnP on 12:49:50, 01/12/19
ard in dealing with these issues and when they may be a bit contentious and too worried about political correctness to take sides.
Should you be interested in some examples, there are plenty I won't burden your topic with unnecessary links, but this is not the first time this question has been aired on this forum. Then the actual location was provided and this had some interesting relevance to a number of general walking issues.
I hope I`m not derailing this thread but I am doing a walk on Monday near lloyney on the Welsh border and there is a ROW leading into a farm and its outbuildings, then one leading away from it the other side. Something that stands out for me though is the green dotted line on Ordnance Survey mapping stops and starts again on either side of the farm with no obvious way shown by OS, along the tracks inside the farm yard. I have done this walk once before and remember the farm had no signs attached to its entrance gate ways. It looked deserted at that time & a tad eery, although I know it is working farm.
What is your opinion BW walker on whether the public have a r o w through the farm area.?
Title: Re: Public road on ordnance survey map
Post by: barewirewalker on 16:55:48, 01/12/19
Sounds like a classic anomaly, OS cannot map the RoW continuously because through the farmyard because it was not originally surveyed as a continuous way, even though that was the intention of the 1949 Act. The surveyors or parish councils were not properly briefed as they would have been today and the assumption was the rights of way were being mapped for the use of the occupiers of the properties.
Coincidentally it was a RoW officer for Powys CC, who originally explained this to me.
Since the 2000 CRoW the CLA have worked on a grass roots membership and have encouraged the idea that RoWs are bad news for property owners. So a break like this may well been seen as an opportunity to close it.
It is a great area to walk in I have spoken to many farmers in that area, usually friendly enough but if the property has been done up, don't be surprised at a change of attitude.
Title: Re: Public road on ordnance survey map
Post by: GnP on 18:14:39, 01/12/19
Sounds like a classic anomaly, OS cannot map the RoW continuously because through the farmyard because it was not originally surveyed as a continuous way, even though that was the intention of the 1949 Act. The surveyors or parish councils were not properly briefed as they would have been today and the assumption was the rights of way were being mapped for the use of the occupiers of the properties.
Coincidentally it was a RoW officer for Powys CC, who originally explained this to me.
Since the 2000 CRoW the CLA have worked on a grass roots membership and have encouraged the idea that RoWs are bad news for property owners. So a break like this may well been seen as an opportunity to close it.
It is a great area to walk in I have spoken to many farmers in that area, usually friendly enough but if the property has been done up, don't be surprised at a change of attitude.
That is so interesting. Yes I could see if it was a farm that is sold and then buildings converted to living accommodation the owners would not want walkers going past their front doors.

So as you say originally the rights of way were looked at in different terms as they are today. I know that pathways were used to get from village to village or to the local church etc all for access at the times. I see why now landowners feel the need at times to jealously guard their land from intruders (walkers). Nowadays people build more physical and also mental barriers to keep intruders at bay.

I reckon the internet is heavily responsible for the way we perceive strangers. Where as before maybe with a little caution now people build walls. Because we are under attack from all sides etc. Scams, hacking, con artists.
Our psychology is changing as a culture methinks.
This is the farm I was talking of :
(https://i.postimg.cc/Pq9bz2nt/Screenshot-2019-12-01-Lloyney-loop-Easy-parking-at-beginning-in.png) (https://postimages.org/)
Title: Re: Public road on ordnance survey map
Post by: ninthace on 19:03:15, 01/12/19
That is screaming for a look using Streetview.  You should be able to see the path entering and leaving the minor road.


Edit:  Just had a look.  The farm to the S is just barns etc, looks like a simple walk through, there is no finger post that I can see.  The path leaving N looks like it goes up the drive to the right of the lane and through the gate behind the person in the red jacket.
Title: Re: Public road on ordnance survey map
Post by: GnP on 19:35:32, 01/12/19
That is screaming for a look using Streetview.  You should be able to see the path entering and leaving the minor road.


Edit:  Just had a look.  The farm to the S is just barns etc, looks like a simple walk through, there is no finger post that I can see.  The path leaving N looks like it goes up the drive to the right of the lane and through the gate behind the person in the red jacket.
I`ve been through there once before. It was the lack of obvious signs to guide anyone through which put doubt in my mind. I will often walk through farms or past people`s front doors & even their gardens at times but I am very conscious  of anyones personal space & a need to give these people respect who are left with land that any walker may have a right to walk across.
Title: Re: Public road on ordnance survey map
Post by: fernman on 19:43:40, 01/12/19
In my experience in the Chilterns, where I do all of my day walks, I often find that such farms or former farms have permissive footpaths around them that aren't shown on the map. Alternatively many of those that have been converted into homes have had the public footpath diverted around their boundary, where perhaps the OS has been a bit slow to catch up.
Title: Re: Public road on ordnance survey map
Post by: GnP on 19:58:38, 01/12/19
In my experience in the Chilterns, where I do all of my day walks, I often find that such farms or former farms have permissive footpaths around them that aren't shown on the map. Alternatively many of those that have been converted into homes have had the public footpath diverted around their boundary, where perhaps the OS has been a bit slow to catch up.
There are some farm buildings which have been converted to dwellings, and I`m racking my brains trying to remember where. But someone has put some, what I believe are false (but good copies) signs diverting walkers around the boundary of the group of buildings.
Also there is a cast iron sign which councils do not use that shouts no entry fixed to some heavy gates. On the OS map it clearly shows the footpath going within a metre of three front doors. The first time I lost my bearings because of them. The next time I walked past the doors & through the communal gardens, waiting to be challenged but nothing happened.
Title: Re: Public road on ordnance survey map
Post by: GnP on 20:13:58, 01/12/19

(https://i.postimg.cc/QtvtVhdj/Screenshot-2019-12-01-Great-Alne.png) (https://postimages.org/)
I have just remembered where the misleading signs are ...here at Great Alne Mills:The green dashes is the obvious OS designated footpath...the other in black is the one the residents would like walkers to follow.Maybe OS has not updated it but my guess is that it is a ruse to get people away from their front doors....
Title: Re: Public road on ordnance survey map
Post by: barewirewalker on 11:00:36, 02/12/19
Edit:  Just had a look.  The farm to the S is just barns etc, looks like a simple walk through, there is no finger post that I can see.  The path leaving N looks like it goes up the drive to the right of the lane and through the gate behind the person in the red jacket.
I have done many walks in that area, 15 years ago the Powys CC had done little sign posting, their first priority was getting the roadside finger posts up before moving onto waymarks styles etc. The reason was Powys was formed from the amalgamation of several smaller administrative bodies including Radnorshire, these lesser bodies did very little work on the access network. It was noticeable that as the finger posts went up any that were slightly anomalous did not get put up, the definitive map had to be clear that there was a connection to the highway.
Looking on GE Streetview as suggested by Ninethace, I agree with him. Further my guess from the look of the farm that it is unlikely that they have been poisoned by current CLA strategies. The farm buildings have the look of a working farm unlikely to be interested in paying their membership fees, I expect the NFU of Wales rep. has a job keeping them on board.


Title: Re: Public road on ordnance survey map
Post by: Mark101 on 10:00:04, 03/12/19
This link might be of use to you:  https://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/mapzone/assets/doc/Explorer-25k-Legend-en.pdf (https://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/mapzone/assets/doc/Explorer-25k-Legend-en.pdf)
 
Great thread for a newbie like me. many thanks. I've printed/laminated the pdf legend
Title: Re: Public road on ordnance survey map
Post by: Slogger on 14:10:48, 07/12/19
Just a point I take it you are talking about 'Walking' down this track in question. You mention there are no 'no entry' signs, so you will give it a go. No entry signs are for vehicles, or do you mean no signs preventing access, like 'Private Road, or Private, keep out?
Title: Re: Public road on ordnance survey map
Post by: Andies on 11:32:37, 09/12/19
This is all something of a grey area, and one which came to mind on a recent walk where I knew through local knowledge of some tracks that are used but are not shown as "rights of way" on the definitive map, but I assume have possibly some greater public access rights. These compare to uncoloured tarmacked roads and pavements in housing estates, where there could really be no question about public access; but there after it is less clear where there are unmade tracks that say access properties, but still provide an onward route from two separate public roads. How does the user determine the actual status of such a track?

Perhaps just walk it and await a challenge should one arise? Or is there a sensible and easy way of determining what the status of these tracks are to avoid potential conflict, much as one can check the definitive map for rights of way (byways, bridleways & footpaths). Is this a matter for the counties highways authority to advise on; but would they really want me asking about numerous routes?

Some might say I am worrying about nothing, but I wonder about the looming 2026 deadline for ensuring all rights of way are on the definitive map. I have on occasions looked into issues surrounding lost rights of way of old, but I now wonder if there is another area of threat relating to potential rights of way that may fall between what we know are public roads and what we traditionally consider rights of way (byways, bridleways and footpaths), in the form of these "tracks or unmade roads", that may or may not have public rights thereon?

There can be little doubt that the definitive map has been corrupted from it's inception, and if something isn't done to address this the corruption will be completed in 2026. Perhaps not exactly the result that many of the landed classes wanted, but they're probably settle for that as they know it could have been so much worse (in their opinion) had the process been completed correctly. Limited resources to investigate issues, almost certainly by design, and when it's too late they will tell us: " you had your chance to raise matters, but it's too late now, so get off my land".
Title: Re: Public road on ordnance survey map
Post by: barewirewalker on 12:03:51, 09/12/19
There can be little doubt that the definitive map has been corrupted from it's inception, and if something isn't done to address this the corruption will be completed in 2026. Perhaps not exactly the result that many of the landed classes wanted, but they're probably settle for that as they know it could have been so much worse (in their opinion) had the process been completed correctly. Limited resources to investigate issues, almost certainly by design, and when it's too late they will tell us: " you had your chance to raise matters, but it's too late now, so get off my land".
Well done Andies, you have stated this fear very aptly and there too few aware of the dangers involved.
The trouble is it is not we, who walk for leisure, might be the only losers. Because sufficient intelligent study has not gone into these issues, the Rural Economy will also be a sure loser and it is the Pressure group(CLA) that should have this as one of it's stated aims, who are too ignorant, so that they are desperate to get 2026 done and dusted.