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Mumf

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« Reply #15 on: 17:42:56, 20/12/16 »
One of the reasons I brought up this subject was that as newcomer to this forum it seemed to me that what was quite evident was the importance that many posters attached to their clothing and equipment , but also their own personal vanity and cleanliness of their clothes . 
Getting dirty in the fresh air one might assume is no big deal for your average walker / hiker , but if an over friendly dog is the culprit , then mass hysteria and paranoia takes over . It's an emotive subject that really brings out the most polarised views .
I would never dream of even attempting to run away from an enraged or excited dog and part of the problem is the body language and response to such behaviour from terrified walkers .
I don't  think introducing dog licences is the answer either . It certainly wouldn't appease those who have an inherent fear of dogs or don't like dirty dogs feet rubbing up against their clothing .
People who are frightened of dogs generally have children who are similarly affected and so on ...
If people simply stood still , crouched down and tentatively offered out there hand in friendship then the outcome would invariably be far different . Similarly , if cyclists dismounted from their bikes and walked slowly past any nervous or aggressive pets , then once again the situation would immediately less fraught with difficulties . To give you an idea of where I'm coming from ,  I have a very feisty and territorial Cocker Spaniel who hates postman because they have a tendency to invade her space , but if you happen to place a one year old grandson next to her , then she becomes putty in your hands ....
You must be mad I hear you cry .....but after thousands of hours (down several generations) I would argue to the contrary ...but then again I've never been bitten or my family .
A dog will love you for what you are ...and not for the clothes you wear .

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« Reply #16 on: 17:54:08, 20/12/16 »
Please don't ever leave the 1 year old alone in a room with a dog, no matter how much you trust a dog. And I think its my responsibility to ensure people don't get harmed, dirty or jumped upon by my dogs. Why should dog-dislikers have to make an effort to avoid other peoples pets. Your writing style has a similar tone to others who've posted on this forum on a variety of subjects, so I'm hoping this is a genuinely ignorant attitude rather than an attempt to court controversy.

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Mumf

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« Reply #17 on: 18:03:10, 20/12/16 »
Please don't ever leave the 1 year old alone in a room with a dog, no matter how much you trust a dog. And I think its my responsibility to ensure people don't get harmed, dirty or jumped upon by my dogs. Why should dog-dislikers have to make an effort to avoid other peoples pets. Your writing style has a similar tone to others who've posted on this forum on a variety of subjects, so I'm hoping this is a genuinely ignorant attitude rather than an attempt to court controversy.

Welcome to the forum.


All my kids and grandkids have been left alone with my dogs . I was brought up with Rottweilers . It's not the dogs that's the problem ...its the ability of the human to assess what's safe and what isn't .
I'm not suggesting that all dogs are safe ...on the contrary the vast majority are not .!
I do have a pet business and would urge extreme caution with dogs and children . L
I would not advocate doing what I have done for the last 60 years ...unless you know the score .


Edit ....I would like to point out that I am at all times only a few metres away and within earshot .

« Last Edit: 18:07:12, 20/12/16 by Mumf »
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« Reply #18 on: 21:46:21, 20/12/16 »
I am not really a dog person, i did go on a walk with this forum about 10 of us went. There was one dog thete and he was well behaved, he never left his owners side so i was happy with that. If there was 3 dogs going i probaby would not have gone
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« Reply #19 on: 01:25:26, 21/12/16 »
I don't have a dog myself but I always enjoy meeting other people's dogs when out walking. So much so that I have to remind myself that I should talk to the owner AS WELL as the dog !
Dogs seem to like me, I've had several occasions where they're off the lead and have come running towards me barking like crazy and the owner has gone into a panic shouting " he/she doesn't normally like strangers " only to find I'm their dog's new best friend and they struggle to retrieve them !
I don't care at all if I get muddy paw prints on me. :)



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« Reply #20 on: 05:13:18, 21/12/16 »
I take my GSD with me and to be honest without him, I probably wouldn't walk much. I enjoy seeing him enjoy the outdoors and of course the peace I get after a long walk! Sadly too many people are scared of dogs because of negativity especially breeds like mine. He is so soft though and loves people. If you are walking through muddy fields, what harm is a muddy dog near you?


My only issue is that if I have to have him on a lead due to sheep or cows, he can pull which in turn makes it more fraught with danger such as tripping and I sometimes can get lead burn if its a long section with us passing animals.


He has a natural hunting instinct which I'm not sure I'll ever be able t ostop. He loves to chase rabbits and squirrels, even though we own a set of rabbits! As for cows, I had the misfortune of accidentally letting the lead loose and he managed to run off towards a herd. I was panicking, more so incase the farmer decided to shoot him!

Anyway I went 'out of sight' and he came running back. He hates when you disappear, so clearly this trick worked. Mind you, one time he stood behind a perfectly safe fence just bouncing up and down barking at a herd in a high pitched tone.

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« Reply #21 on: 07:52:14, 21/12/16 »
Obviously I have a dog. My dog and I have walked about 40,000+ miles together.

My opinion is that you should never let your dog jump up on people. Your dog should always be under control and you should be able to control your dog at any distance, 100% recall, make it stay/sit from a distance all those things. If you cannot it should remain on the lead. I have often been chased when out running by dogs whose owners do not have a clue about control and are too lazy or incompetent to train them. If you are not prepared to work to train your dog you should not have one.

Being a border collie my dog had a natural urge to herd but I worked hard on this to stop him taking an interest in stock and cars which was against his instinct but we got over it. He is extremely friendly but also extremely polite.

Licensing will not work because the worst offenders will not comply.

This is always a thread which gets people hot under the collar. My dog enhances my walks, he is too old now to come with me on multiday mountain trips these days but when he did people would always stop and talk to me. Now I go alone few people stop to give me the time of day - they must think I look too suspicious. I really miss him on trips.

He is here "looking" at me (Although he has been blind for years - he even did JOGLE when first blind) with his squeaky Christmas tree wanting to play.

Don't get me on to cats - the only domestic animal we think is fine to crap everywhere including on my fruit and veg and on the  lawn. Even on the school playing field - the head teacher blamed local dogs until the culprit was seen - a tom cat. The owner said "it is a cat what can I do?"
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« Reply #22 on: 09:13:45, 21/12/16 »
I really try not to generalize with this. When summiting Yeavering Bell one lovely summer Sunday morning a fellow pair of 'grey hairs' approached me with a Border Terrier puppy in tow. It was a joyous encounter with a very enthusiastic little dog....sweeeet!!
On the other hand I was once nipped on the ankle by a very noisy Alsation while fitting smoke alarms as part of my duties pre retirement...not good.
My way of thinking is that (as with children) nice ones can be a delight but ill behaved ones not so. Same goes for the owners really. ;)
My main bugbear follows..!
Why do some owners think that allowing dogs to s... on verges is ok and not pick up?
At the end of a long Cheviot walk a few weeks ago I found the grass verge was much less hard on the joints...you know how it is!
Swerving to narrowly miss heap after heap of the foul stuff I was forced eventually back onto tarmac. The stretch of road was very near the car parking area so not even remote. Sheep s... is different somehow.
To  me it's the same sort of thinking as litter left on the hills.
Anyway I digress.....!     Dogs....little terriers yay....big slobbering mastiffs nay!

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« Reply #23 on: 14:49:28, 21/12/16 »
Generally speaking I like dogs. I always had dogs as a kid and we had one until about three years ago, until we had to rehome him due to simply not having enough time to spend with him because of our work commitments. It was the right decision for the dogs sake at the time but it broke our hearts. We're now in a position where we are seriously considering getting another, who would be our hillwalking companion, but I do agree with what others have said about training.
Touching from a distance, further all the time.

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« Reply #24 on: 15:02:12, 21/12/16 »

If people simply stood still , crouched down and tentatively offered out there hand in friendship then the outcome would invariably be far different


"Invariably be far different"??


I used to work for Post Office, and saw a ton of reports on posties attacked by dogs...most of them (the posties) confident people with good knowledge of best ways of handling dogs.


I like dogs, but get heartedly fed up of the line "it's never the dog's fault". Quite often it is!

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« Reply #25 on: 15:56:19, 21/12/16 »

"Invariably be far different"??


I used to work for Post Office, and saw a ton of reports on posties attacked by dogs...most of them (the posties) confident people with good knowledge of best ways of handling dogs.


I like dogs, but get heartedly fed up of the line "it's never the dog's fault". Quite often it is!




Hi Paul ....I too worked for the post office on two separate occasions .
If people allow dogs to defend their territory then they surely will , just like you would if you caught two burglars . Sadly dogs can't differentiate between the two .....that's where human intelligence and common sense should step in . "Invariably " it doesn't .!! :-[ :P
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« Reply #26 on: 16:04:17, 21/12/16 »
I have a St. Bernard dog... there's no way she walks with me. She prefers to sleep and eat  ;)
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« Reply #27 on: 16:44:45, 21/12/16 »



Hi Paul ....I too worked for the post office on two separate occasions .
If people allow dogs to defend their territory then they surely will , just like you would if you caught two burglars . Sadly dogs can't differentiate between the two .....that's where human intelligence and common sense should step in . "Invariably " it doesn't .!! :-[ :P




Getting mail and other deliveries is part of everyday life, and any well trained dog ought not attack the delivery person.


When such an attack does take place, then I blame the dog and its owner, not the delivery person for "invading the dogs space" or some other such guff.

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« Reply #28 on: 17:01:12, 21/12/16 »



Getting mail and other deliveries is part of everyday life, and any well trained dog ought not attack the delivery person.


When such an attack does take place, then I blame the dog and its owner, not the delivery person for "invading the dogs space" or some other such guff.






I blame the owner . I don't the blame the dog .


No one is suggesting that the delivery person is to blame , far from it . Sadly , dogs aren't quite as understanding when they see their space invaded .


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« Reply #29 on: 18:13:16, 28/12/16 »

Getting mail and other deliveries is part of everyday life, and any well trained dog ought not attack the delivery person.

When such an attack does take place, then I blame the dog and its owner, not the delivery person for "invading the dogs space" or some other such guff.


Exactly. If people expect mail (or other goods) to be delivered to their door then they ought to ensure a safe environment for the person carrying out the delivery.


 

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