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Title: Now heavy is your pack for one night?
Post by: taxino8 on 18:40:24, 27/11/18
I’ve only done a few overnighters over the years but intend to do a lot more next year and I’m curious as to what the average persons pack weight is.
I’m not talking Ultralight, just normal people going out for a night on the hills.
I went up Sprinkling Tarn with my son in July and mine weighed 35kg!
I know we took wine, steaks, potatoes, a good sized frying pan, frozen milk, too much water, a change of clothes, washing kit, the kitchen sink, etc and I know I could have travelled a lot lighter and I’m in the process of acquiring lighter equipment (the cheap sleeping bag I had weighed over 2kg) but is a target of 20kg too much?
I’m a fit and strong 60 year old.
Title: Re: Now heavy is your pack for one night?
Post by: beefy on 18:51:44, 27/11/18
 :o 35kg
Depending on how much camera gear I take my pack weighs around 13kg
That's including a couple of platypus bottles full of wine ;D
April's weighs slightly less,
We could have lighter gear but we like a bit of comfort, we even take chairs 8) 

As always it's a personal choicewhat you take, 20kg is still a bit heavy in my opinion, however, it depends on how far you want to carry it,
We like to do a good walk before we camp,.
You have to decide how light do I want my pack verses how miserable or comfortable you want to be
Title: Re: Now heavy is your pack for one night?
Post by: April on 19:04:30, 27/11/18
My pack weighs 8.5kg, without his 14 other cameras, tripods, drone etc  ;) beefys pack would weigh 11kg, that includes the weight of the chairs and wine  :)

35kg  :o Well done for getting up to Sprinkling Tarn carrying that  O0
Title: Re: Now heavy is your pack for one night?
Post by: vghikers on 20:15:04, 27/11/18
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I went up Sprinkling Tarn with my son in July and mine weighed 35kg!
:o Sheezuss, you mean with your son in it??!!.

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...but is a target of 20kg too much?
I’m a fit and strong 60 year old.
Erm, yes, even allowing for excessive luxuries.
My total weight (excluding water) in my Gear List table ranges from 8.2kg in summer to 11.2kg in midwinter (that reminds me, I must update it).
I'll never get this propensity to lug wine and beer up the mountains. On strenuous activity you need alcohol like you need the clap.
 
Title: Re: Now heavy is your pack for one night?
Post by: Owen on 20:17:19, 27/11/18
35kg!!  :o  When I go away for two weeks, carrying all my food and kit, I recon on a 22kg pack. For an overnighter somewhere between 5 and 8kg dependant on how cold it is.
Title: Re: Now heavy is your pack for one night?
Post by: taxino8 on 20:29:24, 27/11/18
35kg!!  :o  When I go away for two weeks, carrying all my food and kit, I recon on a 22kg pack. For an overnighter somewhere between 5 and 8kg dependant on how cold it is.
Yeah it was a bit heavy, those kitchen sinks weigh a lot though! LOL.
The daft thing is mine was heavier than my 26 year old, rugby prop, sons.
I know we went over the top on that one, I’ve already bought a lighter tent, down bag, even lighter boots as my Asolo’s weigh in at 1.1kg each and I have a list of other stuff I’m going to replace plus I’ve bought a Sawyer filter to save carrying water.
Not much I can do about the wine though.
Title: Re: Now heavy is your pack for one night?
Post by: April on 21:38:31, 27/11/18
Not much I can do about the wine though.

Wine is on our essential list  :)
Title: Re: Now heavy is your pack for one night?
Post by: Owen on 21:59:00, 27/11/18
I don't drink much, but can't you get alcohol in concentrated form O0
Title: Re: Now heavy is your pack for one night?
Post by: KimE on 22:25:19, 27/11/18
~12kg, I bring whisky to limit the weight.
Title: Re: Now heavy is your pack for one night?
Post by: BuzyG on 23:05:47, 27/11/18
Never occured to me to weigh my pack.  Just put what I need in it and carry it.  What exactly is the point of knowing how heavy the darn thing is?.  I do weigh my self before and after most hikes.  I find it very useful for checking I am not dehydrated. 


And before any one suggests it.  No I am not about to pop the scales in my pack. ;)
Title: Re: Now heavy is your pack for one night?
Post by: Mel on 00:51:54, 28/11/18
..... we took wine, steaks, potatoes, a good sized frying pan, ....


Sooooooo.... where and when are you planning your next wild camp then?


.... just asking... for a friend ...   :D   ;D   ;)



Title: Re: Now heavy is your pack for one night?
Post by: NeilC on 08:03:11, 28/11/18
Mines about 8 or 9 before food and water.


I would have thought 35kg was SAS levels of pack weight!


Should easily be able.to halve it without much thought.


Have you considered moving onto cocaine instead of wine. At 1g it's a lightweighters dream ;-)
Title: Re: Now heavy is your pack for one night?
Post by: taxino8 on 08:09:59, 28/11/18
Mines about 8 or 9 before food and water.


I would have thought 35kg was SAS levels of pack weight!


Should easily be able.to halve it without much thought.


Have you considered moving onto cocaine instead of wine. At 1g it's a lightweighters dream ;-)
Trust me it I’ll be lighter from now on.
I am Ex-Army but won’t claim to be one of those guys and my philosophy when in was avoid carrying anything if a Land Rover was available.


I won’t even comment on your last bit as I hate all of that kind of crap and will stick with a nice Bordeaux despite the weight.

Title: Re: Now heavy is your pack for one night?
Post by: NeilC on 08:16:06, 28/11/18
Trust me it I’ll be lighter from now on.
I am Ex-Army but won’t claim to be one of those guys and my philosophy when in was avoid carrying anything if a Land Rover was available.


I won’t even comment on your last bit as I hate all of that kind of crap and will stick with a nice Bordeaux despite the weight.


It was a joke. I wasn't actually suggesting you take drugs!


I tend to take a dose of rum with me.
Title: Re: Now heavy is your pack for one night?
Post by: taxino8 on 08:22:55, 28/11/18

It was a joke. I wasn't actually suggesting you take drugs!


I tend to take a dose of rum with me.
I gathered that, thanks.
Title: Re: Now heavy is your pack for one night?
Post by: fernman on 09:03:30, 28/11/18
I do weigh my self before and after most hikes.  I find it very useful for checking I am not dehydrated. 

I don't think there's much point in weighing yourself before and after a walk. You'd expect to lose a pound or so from the prolonged exercise - on my multiple-day trips I find I can tighten my belt a bit on the 2nd or 3rd day (it's infinitely adjustable, not one with holes an inch apart!) - on the other hand you're burning off fat and increasing muscle, and I've been given to understand that muscle weighs more than fat.

The colour of your pee is the best indicator of whether you're dehydrated or not.
Title: Re: Now heavy is your pack for one night?
Post by: Innominate Man on 10:53:52, 28/11/18

The colour of your pee is the best indicator of whether you're dehydrated or not.


And if it's the colour of Lucozade you are too late and already dehydrated and need to get fluids on-board.
Title: Re: Now heavy is your pack for one night?
Post by: alan de enfield on 11:36:34, 28/11/18

I’m a fit and strong 60 year old.



I'm a tad older than you, a bit over weight (but its 'going down') and walk between 3 & 10 miles most days to keep the Diabetes and High Cholesterol in check.


On longer 'jaunts' I have no difference between a 1-night pack and a 3-night pack except maybe 1 days extra rations.
What I need for 3 nights is pretty much the same as 1-night.


Includes tent, sleeping bag, footprint, sleeping pad/mattress, all cooking equipment, 3 days food, clothes, GPS, VHF Transceiver, washing kit, bits & bobs etc etc.


Carry about 1 days water and a Sawyer filter (or water troughs, pubs, farms etc) for refills.


1-change of clothes is generally sufficient for 1 night or 3 nights.


The only differences are Summer-Pack and Winter-Pack where the Winter pack carries additional gas and thicker / warmer clothes.


Summer Pack weighs just under 10kg and fits into a 25 Litre Pack
Winter pack currently weighs 13.5kg and is in my 65 Litre pack, (but only half fills it - leaving room for additional woolies if necessary..)


If I was spending a few days 'in the high mountains' in the Winter I'd be adding considerably to the weight with additional 'stuff'.
Title: Re: Now heavy is your pack for one night?
Post by: gunwharfman on 13:55:49, 28/11/18
I've forgotton! I don't weigh my pack anymore, I have now perfected (almost) what my weight will be, its as light as I can get it! I could still strive for lighter stuff but then I say to myself, whats the point, why spend out the money! Even if I shaved off an ounce or two I'm sure I wouldn't notice it anyway.
Title: Re: Now heavy is your pack for one night?
Post by: alan de enfield on 14:24:09, 28/11/18
I've forgotton! I don't weigh my pack anymore, I have now perfected (almost) what my weight will be, its as light as I can get it! I could still strive for lighter stuff but then I say to myself, whats the point, why spend out the money! Even if I shaved off an ounce or two I'm sure I wouldn't notice it anyway.



Exactly - changing out an 2kg sleeping bag for a 800g one has a big weight saving, 500g (1lb) saving on my mattress etc etc. all adds up but - the law of 'diminishing returns' soon comes into play.
Spending another £100 to save 50g doesn't 'stack-up'


I now have pretty much the same level of equipment in my 13kg / 30lb pack as I had in my 18kg / 40lb pack but to make any further weight savings would cost a fortune and would give very little weight reduction. I'm happy with the weight I have so I'll stick with it.
Title: Re: Now heavy is your pack for one night?
Post by: Owen on 14:26:52, 28/11/18
Weighing your kit as it goes in your sack is a good way of sorting out what you really need and what you can live without. If you're taking things like stake and potatoes maybe you might like to look at some simpler one pot type meals. This will cut down on the weight of ingredients and cooking kit. You don't have to go to the horrors of freeze dry meals for one or two nighter's this book https://www.amazon.co.uk/Moveable-Feasts-What-great-outdoors/dp/1852845341/ref=sr_1_14?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1543414871&sr=1-14&keywords=moveable+feast (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Moveable-Feasts-What-great-outdoors/dp/1852845341/ref=sr_1_14?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1543414871&sr=1-14&keywords=moveable+feast) offeres some good ideas.   
Title: Re: Now heavy is your pack for one night?
Post by: taxino8 on 17:22:41, 28/11/18
Weighing your kit as it goes in your sack is a good way of sorting out what you really need and what you can live without. If you're taking things like stake and potatoes maybe you might like to look at some simpler one pot type meals. This will cut down on the weight of ingredients and cooking kit. You don't have to go to the horrors of freeze dry meals for one or two nighter's this book https://www.amazon.co.uk/Moveable-Feasts-What-great-outdoors/dp/1852845341/ref=sr_1_14?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1543414871&sr=1-14&keywords=moveable+feast (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Moveable-Feasts-What-great-outdoors/dp/1852845341/ref=sr_1_14?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1543414871&sr=1-14&keywords=moveable+feast) offeres some good ideas.   
Thanks, I’ve already sourced some boil in the bag meals, Army ration packs to be exact and they have improved a lot since my Army day’s.
I’ve also just bought an Alpkit Titanium pot to boil them in.
Cheers
Bob
Title: Re: Now heavy is your pack for one night?
Post by: beefy on 17:42:03, 28/11/18


I’ve also just bought an Alpkit Titanium pot to boil them in.
Cheers
Bob

Don't buy an Alpkit Koro stove whatever you do  :o
See here


http://www.walkingforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=30901.0 (http://www.walkingforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=30901.0)
Title: Re: Now heavy is your pack for one night?
Post by: taxino8 on 18:36:00, 28/11/18
Don't buy an Alpkit Koro stove whatever you do  :o
See here


http://www.walkingforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=30901.0 (http://www.walkingforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=30901.0)
I’ve already got a couple from my carp fishing days, a Primus Omnifuel, which is a bit heavy but very powerful when used with Coleman fuel but also can use gas cartridges and another small gas one of similar design, probably a Primus as well but I can’t remember the model.
Title: Re: Now heavy is your pack for one night?
Post by: Maggot on 20:20:38, 28/11/18
35kg?  77lbs!   :o




I reckon I would be looking at about 5kg for a tolerable night, 10kg for a comfy night and 20kg for a very relaxed weekend.




Title: Re: Now heavy is your pack for one night?
Post by: Bigfoot_Mike on 20:32:56, 28/11/18
25kg or so kept me going for 2 weeks hiking and camping in the Alps and that was in olden days before lightweight existed. I don’t know how to pack light and am impressed that you managed to pack 35kg (and carry it). I don’t worry too much about the weight of my pack. The easiest way for me to shed a few kilos for a hike would be to eat less for a week or so.
Title: Re: Now heavy is your pack for one night?
Post by: jimbob on 23:36:31, 28/11/18
The easiest way for me to shed a few kilos for a hike would be to eat less for a week or so.
COR  please do pass on your diet plan in a separate thread. That would be some serious weight loss. For a normal moderately overweight male to lose  kiloS  in a week would mean an intake of zero calories with a huge amount of exercise. :)
Seriously I get where you're at. Getting the weight off was the reason I got back into walking.  I was told to try and walk at least 4 miles per day, which I do.  I also do longer walks now purely for enjoyment. Getting the weight off my belly has made walking easier  as time goes on. I carry the least weight I possibly can on my back but have reduced my body weight by a lot more than any reduction in pack weight.
Title: Re: Now heavy is your pack for one night?
Post by: richardh1905 on 08:20:38, 29/11/18

35kg?


You run the risk of injury carrying that much, in my opinion. I once carried two foam fire extinguishers each weighing 14kg up a hill to a lighthouse - nearly crippled me despite using one of the best heavy load carrying frames available (Tatonka Lastenkraxe (https://www.tatonka.com/en/Backpacks-Trekking-Backpacks-Lastenkraxe/1130)). I struggled to put on the pack and stand up - never again!


As for what weight I carry for an overnighter - on a solo trip into the Cairngorms last summer my load was 11.0 kg. This didn't impede me when climbing a long steep heather clad slope, but DID throw me off balance somewhat when I was descending steep trackless ground.
Title: Re: Now heavy is your pack for one night?
Post by: richardh1905 on 08:22:19, 29/11/18

On my next short summer trip I'm going to ditch the stove and pans altogether, and just have oatcakes, cheese, kabanos, cereal bars etc.


The stove comes with me in winter though!
Title: Re: Now heavy is your pack for one night?
Post by: taxino8 on 08:51:06, 29/11/18
35kg?


You run the risk of injury carrying that much, in my opinion. I once carried two foam fire extinguishers each weighing 14kg up a hill to a lighthouse - nearly crippled me despite using one of the best heavy load carrying frames available (Tatonka Lastenkraxe (https://www.tatonka.com/en/Backpacks-Trekking-Backpacks-Lastenkraxe/1130)). I struggled to put on the pack and stand up - never again!


As for what weight I carry for an overnighter - on a solo trip into the Cairngorms last summer my load was 11.0 kg. This didn't impede me when climbing a long steep heather clad slope, but DID throw me off balance somewhat when I was descending steep trackless ground.
I did get bad blisters on my heels, I’ve done a lot of day walking and never had those before and I reckon it was because of the weight.
We still managed to pitch up at Sprinkling Tarn, dump most of our kit and then go up Scafell Pike (which was in cloud yet again so no views).
Title: Re: Now heavy is your pack for one night?
Post by: vghikers on 09:26:56, 29/11/18
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You run the risk of injury carrying that much, in my opinion.
Agreed, I read somewhere that the maximum safe load for sustained walking is 1/3 of your bodyweight, that sounds about right to me for hillwalking.

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On my next short summer trip I'm going to ditch the stove and pans altogether, and just have oatcakes, cheese, kabanos, cereal bars etc. The stove comes with me in winter though!
Our regime too, it's winter-only for the stove and just for a hot drink.

Title: Re: Now heavy is your pack for one night?
Post by: Bigfoot_Mike on 10:32:34, 29/11/18
I read somewhere that the maximum safe load for sustained walking is 1/3 of your bodyweight, that sounds about right to me for hillwalking.
I can safely carry more than most then.  I certainly wouldn’t want to carry an additional 1/3 of my body weight uphill.


Do we need to subtract the excess we are already carrying from the safe figure? If that is the case, I might need some helium balloons 🎈 🎈 🎈
Title: Re: Now heavy is your pack for one night?
Post by: vghikers on 10:44:34, 29/11/18
I can't remember the source of that safety recommendation, but it was talking about quite long distances with significant ascent and descent over hours and often on rough ground, a typical hill backpacking scenario.
I carry our grocery shopping in a tough Lowe Alpine backpack and that is significantly over 1/3 on occasion, but the walk is under a mile and only gently uphill which is fine.
Title: Re: Now heavy is your pack for one night?
Post by: Islandplodder on 11:05:17, 29/11/18

I'm not sure I could lift a third of my body weight!
I did once have the satisfaction of realising that over the previous couple of years I had lost the weight of the rucksack I was carrying.  It inspired me to lose another small daysack's worth!
Title: Re: Now heavy is your pack for one night?
Post by: Mel on 12:47:04, 29/11/18
I like that idea islandplodder.  Nicked it :-)
Title: Re: Now heavy is your pack for one night?
Post by: jimbob on 13:27:41, 29/11/18
I'm not sure I could lift a third of my body weight!
I did once have the satisfaction of realising that over the previous couple of years I had lost the weight of the rucksack I was carrying.  It inspired me to lose another small daysack's worth!
O0
Title: Re: Now heavy is your pack for one night?
Post by: ninthace on 14:52:04, 29/11/18
Have you considered hiring native bearers and walking along armed only with a swagger stick?  That way you could carry enough for a truly comfortable night and a slap up feed.
Title: Re: Now heavy is your pack for one night?
Post by: BuzyG on 20:21:41, 29/11/18
Have you considered hiring native bearers and walking along armed only with a swagger stick?  That way you could carry enough for a truly comfortable night and a slap up feed.
Fine idea your hired for my next trip to Exmoor.  What"s the going rate?
Title: Re: Now heavy is your pack for one night?
Post by: Troggy on 21:55:38, 29/11/18
Wow! A trifle on the heavy side and congratulations for getting to your camping place. I'd have collapsed just trying to lift your rucksack. It's amazing though, how many bits of gear that get into my rucksack unnoticed by me. I write a list of essentials down, pick the lightest of each item that I've got and think I've done well. That's until I start adding in the "that might come in handy" items. Not so much the weight but the tent looks like I've shoved a load of car boot sale bargains in. No discipline, that's the trouble!
Title: Re: Now heavy is your pack for one night?
Post by: Sleepy on 23:52:09, 29/11/18
I got down to around 9kg but it's expensive and not just financially;


I ended up enjoying the night less; my tent was so small (900g) that I had to open the door/roof to get dressed and my rucksack and boots stayed outside in a bin bag to keep them dry


My cooking pot was little more than a large tin (titanium) mug but it was so thin that anything I tried to cook in it burned almost instantly leaving me with no option other than to "cook" only foods that you simply added to boiling water and left to soak.


What I'm getting at is there's always a trade-off between weight and "luxury" and you have to make up your own mind - without compromising the essentials (first aid kit, torch and spare batteries, change of clothes etc).


I'm currently looking into a compromise in a slightly heavier tent but much more space  (but a hefty price tag) and I'll be going back to my older cookware even though it's twice the weight. I will however stick with dry food mostly (noodles, rice etc) to help with the weight.
Title: Re: Now heavy is your pack for one night?
Post by: ninthace on 00:43:31, 30/11/18
Fine idea your hired for my next trip to Exmoor.  What"s the going rate?
  You honestly cannot afford me and anyway I am fully booked.
Title: Re: Now heavy is your pack for one night?
Post by: April on 08:45:57, 30/11/18
there's always a trade-off between weight and "luxury" and you have to make up your own mind - without compromising the essentials

Spot on Sleepy  O0

Title: Re: Now heavy is your pack for one night?
Post by: richardh1905 on 08:46:04, 30/11/18
I'm currently looking into a compromise in a slightly heavier tent but much more space  (but a hefty price tag)

Take a look at the Naturehike tents - very light and cheap.


Not sure that I would trust them in a winter storm but should be good for 3 season use - they get good reviews.
Title: Re: Now heavy is your pack for one night?
Post by: alan de enfield on 09:12:00, 30/11/18
Take a look at the Naturehike tents - very light and cheap.



Not sure that I would trust them in a winter storm but should be
1) good for 3 season use -
2) they get good reviews.



1) They are.
2) They do.


All tent manufacturers are seemingly 'jumping on the lightweight bandwagon' (to meet the market needs), but be very careful when looking at the various websites / models as the weight figures' can be a little massaged by not including 'everything' (they may for example leave out the weight of pegs, or 'footprint' etc).
With these lightweight tents the material is pretty thin and not particularly 'robust' so a groundsheet (or in modern parlance a 'footprint') is needed below the tent's built in groundsheet.
The weight of all components (and a couple of 'spares' - pegs. guy line etc - should be considered as the true weight).


My weights include :
Tent (inc fitted groundsheet)
Flysheet
Poles
All bags (pole bag, peg bag, overall 'carry' bag)
Footprint
2x spare pegs
1x spare guy-rope


My NatureHike "Cloud 2", 2-Man, 'tunnel tent' (front loader), complete weight is 1643 grams.


My NatureHike "Mongar" 2-Man (equivalent to the MSR Hubba Hubba , side loader) complete weight is 2165 grams


My Gelert 1-Man 'tunnel tent' (front loader) complete weight is 1600 grams




I would recommend the 'Mongar' for build quality and space and at £75 (compared to £375 for the MSR) is a bargain.
A 'proper 2-man' size with more than enough room for a big-1-man' and pack, with comfortable sitting height.



https://www.naturehike.com/mongar-ultralight-two-men-tent/ (https://www.naturehike.com/mongar-ultralight-two-men-tent/)


https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Naturehike-Cloud-Up-2-Ultralight-Tent-Backpacking-Tent-for-2-Person-Hiking-Campi/254005295506?hash=item3b23e53992:g:GpcAAOSwv0dcAOic:rk:1:pf:0

Title: Re: Now heavy is your pack for one night?
Post by: ninthace on 12:39:06, 30/11/18
I first started camping in the late 50s with mum and dad.  We went most weekends and I even had my own pup tent - wooden poles and no flysheet but room for me and the dog. In '61 or '62 I went up market and was given a tent with a sewn in groundsheet, a bit of a novelty in those days.  I had a piece of heavy duty clear plastic cut to the shape of the tent to protect the groundsheet from mud, punctures and worms but we didn't have a posh name for it like "footprint", we just called it "the plastic".  The tent itself was not the lightest thing in the world, good metal poles and a decent canvas down to the ground flysheet. My idea of going lightweight was to leave the plastic behind as I needed the rest of it.  I also had a lightweight Camping Gaz cartidge stove that could not be disassembled once the cartridge had been fitted without draining all the gas out.  I didn't have a camping mat then, I don't think they had been invented, but I had a rubber Lilow. I carried the whole lot in a nice blue steel framed rucksack with leather straps that had a bit of felt on the shoulder straps for padding.  I have no idea what it all weighed, basically if you could lift it that was a good enough.
In my teens, apart from weekends, I went on trips to Switzerland, France and Holland with this lot, sometimes on trips organised by the Camping Club and sometimes with a mate but you tell the young people of today that and they don't believe you!
Title: Re: Now heavy is your pack for one night?
Post by: BuzyG on 21:24:15, 30/11/18
  You honestly cannot afford me and anyway I am fully booked.


I knew that before I wrote it.  ;)


I still have one of those camping gaz stoves you described.  Last used in Switzerland, on a cycling Holliday with Mrs G in 1986.  Built in pans and handel. Great piece of kit.  O0
Title: Re: Now heavy is your pack for one night?
Post by: Farnorth on 10:23:13, 01/12/18
7Kg excluding camera and tripod. This is without winter kit (crampons, ice axe etc)
Title: Re: Now heavy is your pack for one night?
Post by: Troggy on 12:34:04, 01/12/18
I've just bought a new Naturehike Star River 2 off Ebay, after looking at this model and similar 2 door transverse ridge type of tents for a while. It weighs 2.1 kg and looks a good, roomy tent. The only small concern is there's lots of mesh from about a foot up the sides; but seeing as I'll not be using it in winter, it should be fine. With the tent and a Karrimor Jaguar rucksack (again off Ebay) I'm hoping to leave the "that'll come in handy" bits of gear and get the load to around 8-10 kgs.It's not too tight a limit as I don't think I'll be doing any long distance walking, just a couple of miles or so, to a campsite.
 For those who like to walk and carry their kit for a day a more, then the more safe, weight saving that can be made the better.
 
Title: Re: Now heavy is your pack for one night?
Post by: Doddy on 11:06:28, 06/12/18
My hiking base weight is 5.6kg.The same for one night or 65 (which I have done); i.e one night multiplied by 65. Hiking is different to camping and at 35kg you are camping. Ray Mears has something like that but usually has a mule or kayak to carry it.[/color]  
Title: Re: Now heavy is your pack for one night?
Post by: Troggy on 12:27:38, 06/12/18
My hiking base weight is 5.6kg.The same for one night or 65 (which I have done); i.e one night multiplied by 65. Hiking is different to camping and at 35kg you are camping. Ray Mears has something like that but usually has a mule or kayak to carry it.[/color]  
What are the items you take that make up the base weight?
Title: Re: Now heavy is your pack for one night?
Post by: Doddy on 13:20:50, 06/12/18
 Kit List
Waterproof Jacket & Legs/wind jacket-OR Helium2, ULA rain wrap.
 Sometimes a Patagonia Houdini wind jacket
 Insulated Jacket = Montbell Thermawrap jacket.
Underpants = Paramo
Thermals= Silk long johns and T shirts to sleep in.
 Scarf = Buff
 Socks = Bridgedale Trekker, three pair, one worn.
Footwear = Scott Kinabalu Supertrac trail runners
 Rucksack = Zpacks ArcBlast, Cuben fibre liner, cover and stuff sacks.
 Mapping = Memory Map GB 1.25K on Lenovo P2 phone, OS maps and printed A4 sheets with Ziploc type freezer bag for waterproofing, Map case.
 Portable charger for Lenovo P2
 Camera –on phone
Shelter= Tarptent Notch or TarpTent Moment in late Autumn/Winter.
Western Mountaineering Summerlite sleeping bag and Silk liner, Mountain Laurel Designs Superlite bivvy bag.
Stove = Caldera clone alky setup/ Infernal Cone if woodburning.
Water treatment Sawyer Squeeze/ Aquaventure tabs

Sleeping pad = Klymit ¾ inflatable. Sea to Summit pillow,


Sometimes I also use a Zpacks 3in1 Poncho/g.sheet, backpack cover instead of the OR Helium2 rain jckt: dependent on the length of trip, weather forecast.
Title: Re: Now heavy is your pack for one night?
Post by: Troggy on 19:04:21, 06/12/18
You've got some expensive and top quality gear there and just the job for wild camping/rucksacking. I hadn't heard of the running shoes brand and that's given me an idea. Chester has a couple of shops that stock the shoes and I'll go and have a look at them. The traction looks brilliant and I'd much prefer them to heavy boots/shoes, just hope they do wide fittings.
Title: Re: Now heavy is your pack for one night?
Post by: Doddy on 19:14:47, 06/12/18

Thanks Troggy- it has taken me a while to hone my kit list.
 I have now done many miles in the Scott shoes. I had some Vasque shoes before those. I sourced the Vasque on a trip to the US and had several pairs. I  had to order them from the US; though I did manage to get some from Spain! I thought surely I can get some suitable for me in this country and got some good running shop advice about the Scotts. I have two new pair in the cupboard as like other brands Scott will update their range and I might then have to start all over again.
Title: Re: Now heavy is your pack for one night?
Post by: Troggy on 21:18:03, 06/12/18
Aye, I can see you've spent many miles and many hours thinking about and collecting what kit will the job you want it to. Some great stuff there. Do you bother with waterproof socks or just change em as and when?

I guess my rucksack weight would be about 25-30lb, maybe a bit more but I'd get the bus to somewhere near a campsite, then do a bit of walking over the week end. I've got an old Karrimor Jaguar 65 and am trying to take just the essentials and leave some of the luxury items at home.
Title: Re: Now heavy is your pack for one night?
Post by: richardh1905 on 13:21:14, 07/12/18
I've got an old Jaguar 65 too - excellent bit of gear that I still use from time to time.
Title: Re: Now heavy is your pack for one night?
Post by: Maggot on 16:41:29, 07/12/18
I've got a Jaguar 65 too!  I will dig it out and we can compare the states they are in  O0
Title: Re: Now heavy is your pack for one night?
Post by: beefy on 17:39:23, 07/12/18
Me too  ;D
The only thing wrong with it is the zip on the top pocket is broken,
I've had it 35 years O0
Title: Re: Now heavy is your pack for one night?
Post by: richardh1905 on 19:50:41, 07/12/18
I've had it 35 years O0



I think that I bought mine in 1985, so mine is a couple of years younger than yours.
Title: Re: Now heavy is your pack for one night?
Post by: fernman on 20:38:53, 07/12/18
Still using my Jaguar 6 75L, khaki and sage green, bought circa 1985 which was a year or two before Karrimor introduced ones with adjustable back lengths.

What is more, between trips it is stored in a cupboard in the original blue-and-white Camping & Outdoor Centre (formerly The Scout Shop) carrier bag that they put it in. I could put a couple of straps on that and use it for my day walks!  :D
Title: Re: Now heavy is your pack for one night?
Post by: richardh1905 on 22:34:14, 07/12/18

Ah, I think that mine must be from '86 or '87 then, as the back length can be adjusted.


Prior to that I did own a fixed length version, but lost it after just a couple of years.  :(
Title: Re: Now heavy is your pack for one night?
Post by: Troggy on 16:03:08, 08/12/18
Excellent! So many old Jaguar 65's are about (and 75!) but I have to admit I cheated a bit, as I got mine off ebay a couple of monthgs back. It looks to be in really good nick, with none of the rubbery stuff peeling off and it's got a "Supercool" back, so I'm chuffed with it. It'd be good if we could meet up for a weekend and calling it the "Jaguar Club" or something. Chuck some of the old gear you've got in it and meet in Keswick or somewhere. Although I've cheated a bit with the Jag, I could use my Good companions bought in 1970 and it's still ok (till I took a knife to the grounsheet to make the tent a bit lighter...Drunk!) and a few other old bits of gear Ive collected along the way. 
Title: Re: Now heavy is your pack for one night?
Post by: fernman on 17:00:44, 08/12/18
Prior to that I did own a fixed length version, but lost it after just a couple of years.  :(

How d'you manage to lose a big rucksack?  ???
Title: Re: Now heavy is your pack for one night?
Post by: ninthace on 17:04:38, 08/12/18
How d'you manage to lose a big rucksack?  ???
  It is probably hiding with the odd socks.