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Title: The future! Lake District MR with jet suits.
Post by: Dread on 12:26:07, 29/09/20

BBC News - Jet suit paramedic tested in the Lake District 'could save lives'
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-54331994
Title: Re: The future! Lake District MR with jet suits.
Post by: shortwalker on 12:48:28, 29/09/20
Lets just say it is a nice bit of publicity for the manufacturer.


If it was  to be carried on the Air Ambulance (not sure if it actually could. CAA regulations etc)    the whole helicopter would need reconfiguring. (but why would you if you had the helicopter.)


Would need at dedicated road ambulance to carry it by road. So if it was at the wrong location (station) to the incident it wouldn't save any time.


Wouldn't be able to fly in bad weather/ low light etc.


And of course the big one who would fund it and all the training to go with it.
Title: Re: The future! Lake District MR with jet suits.
Post by: richardh1905 on 13:23:19, 29/09/20
I was walking in the Langdale area the day they went up the Band and some walkers told me that there was a man going to jet suit up Harrison Stickle - they must have been misinformed. I later spotted the orange flare going off on the Band, exactly as in the video, and the helicopter hovering around, but no jet suit unfortunately - I was too far away.

As to whether this is the future, doubt it. Weather bound to be a big factor.
Title: Re: The future! Lake District MR with jet suits.
Post by: ninthace on 13:24:51, 29/09/20
Throw in they have a very limited duration so having arrived on scene and done the medical bit, the chances are you would end up having to carry it out.  I wonder how much payload it can carry in terms of medical kit and what it weighs?
Title: Re: The future! Lake District MR with jet suits.
Post by: richardh1905 on 13:25:49, 29/09/20
Better video here - it did put a smile on my face, I must confess!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=gtvCnZqZnxc&feature=emb_logo
Title: Re: The future! Lake District MR with jet suits.
Post by: tonyk on 14:00:48, 29/09/20
Throw in they have a very limited duration so having arrived on scene and done the medical bit, the chances are you would end up having to carry it out.  I wonder how much payload it can carry in terms of medical kit and what it weighs?


 I saw the first live demo of this contraption last year at Loughborough University.Not too sure how much it weighs but each engine develops around 22kg of thrust.It has five engines,two on each arm and one in the backpack.Overall it develops around 1000bhp,has a maximum speed of 80 kph and an altitude ceiling of 10,000ft.Sorry I can't be more specific but that was the only data we were given.I think the cost was around £400,000 per unit.Its not really very practical having hot engines on the arms and looked more like a protoype than the finished product.
Title: Re: The future! Lake District MR with jet suits.
Post by: Dodgylegs on 16:32:25, 29/09/20
On of the motor racing series I follow have had a guy demonstrating the jetpack, up and down the track ....
Title: Re: The future! Lake District MR with jet suits.
Post by: gunwharfman on 17:18:42, 29/09/20
Things like this always look good when the marketing people become involved, I hope it's not like the marketing for waterproof boots that leak!
Title: Re: The future! Lake District MR with jet suits.
Post by: ninthace on 17:52:23, 29/09/20
A jetpack will get you quickly to the individual once you have spent the time driving there, provided of course you know exactly where the casualty is as flight time is very limited and you can get close enough by road.  Then again would could fly there in a helicopter equipped with a decent set of medical supplies and a loiter time to search for and locate the casualty, not to mention the means to lift and carry the casualty straight to the appropriate hospital.  Such a SAR capability was provided by the RAF and the RN before it fell victim to the bean counters and was privatised.
Title: Re: The future! Lake District MR with jet suits.
Post by: BuzyG on 18:05:42, 29/09/20
Who cares that it's totally impractical.  I want one.  O0
Title: Re: The future! Lake District MR with jet suits.
Post by: ninthace on 18:12:15, 29/09/20
Who cares that it's totally impractical.  I want one.  O0
So do I and I don't need any BS to justify it!
Title: Re: The future! Lake District MR with jet suits.
Post by: Bigfoot_Mike on 18:50:12, 29/09/20
I wonder how useful it will be in low cloud, a howling gale or a whiteout. I saw it on the BBC news where it was said that the device was very safe as the user did not fly high, so wouldn’t be injured in a fall. I suspect that might depend on the slope angle at the time.
Title: Re: The future! Lake District MR with jet suits.
Post by: tonyk on 19:20:51, 29/09/20
So do I and I don't need any BS to justify it!

 Are you sure?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ybdmk57fDxw

 Watch from 4.30 onwards for the results of the first test.
Title: Re: The future! Lake District MR with jet suits.
Post by: BuzyG on 22:48:29, 29/09/20
So do I and I don't need any BS to justify it!
I assume that will be the electric "green" version.  ;)
Title: Re: The future! Lake District MR with jet suits.
Post by: BuzyG on 22:52:41, 29/09/20
Are you sure?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ybdmk57fDxw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ybdmk57fDxw)

 Watch from 4.30 onwards for the results of the first test.


That is quite hilarious.  ;D  Fortunately the current model is jet powered, so not filled with volatile hair dressing products. :)

I would be interested to know the range / fuel consumption.
Title: Re: The future! Lake District MR with jet suits.
Post by: tonyk on 12:20:59, 30/09/20

That is quite hilarious.  ;D  Fortunately the current model is jet powered, so not filled with volatile hair dressing products. :)

I would be interested to know the range / fuel consumption.

 Article here: https://robbreport.com/motors/aviation/jet-packs-2846094/ (https://robbreport.com/motors/aviation/jet-packs-2846094/)

 This is a similar unit and  weights around 90lb.Flight time is around 10 minutes depending on the weight of the pilot.I had to laugh when the paramedic said it would only be a small drop to the ground if the unit malfunctioned.Good luck to anyone who is willing to risk falling 10ft onto rocks whilst wearing a 90lb pack.

 This is another British pack.The inventor seems a bit more honest and says the power output is around 150bhp.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=136&v=8YWlBVjdqiU&feature=emb_logo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=136&v=8YWlBVjdqiU&feature=emb_logo)
Title: Re: The future! Lake District MR with jet suits.
Post by: forgotmyoldpassword on 12:39:14, 30/09/20

I had to laugh when the paramedic said it would only be a small drop to the ground if the unit malfunctioned.Good luck to anyone who is willing to risk falling 10ft onto rocks whilst wearing a 90lb pack.


I heard this as well - you're flying with a jet pack, if you hit anything with that much weight on you it's going to hurt.  When doing rope rescue training there are people who have had life changing injuries from taking a 1.5m fall, it is drummed in to you that falling is inherently dangerous when it's uncontrolled and on to hard ground.  No matter how much people think they'd 'tuck and roll' or something. 


It's a great system and cool they have managed to get it to work, but it seems more recreational than practical.  A little like the what3words app.
Title: Re: The future! Lake District MR with jet suits.
Post by: sussamb on 12:54:15, 30/09/20

I had to laugh when the paramedic said it would only be a small drop to the ground if the unit malfunctioned.Good luck to anyone who is willing to risk falling 10ft onto rocks whilst wearing a 90lb pack.


 O0  Agreed, I know what effect it had on me when I fell onto rocks during my C2C last year, and my pack was less than 15kgs. Hate to think what the damage would have been wearing that lot.
Title: Re: The future! Lake District MR with jet suits.
Post by: ninthace on 13:08:13, 30/09/20
Yes, nap of the earth flying usually means you are just high enough for it hurt when the art of aviation ceases and the science of ballistics begins.  Sudden engine failure and you will briefly have the gliding characteristics of a simonized brick.
Title: Re: The future! Lake District MR with jet suits.
Post by: BuzyG on 16:11:15, 30/09/20
Article here: https://robbreport.com/motors/aviation/jet-packs-2846094/ (https://robbreport.com/motors/aviation/jet-packs-2846094/)

 This is a similar unit and  weights around 90lb.Flight time is around 10 minutes depending on the weight of the pilot.I had to laugh when the paramedic said it would only be a small drop to the ground if the unit malfunctioned.Good luck to anyone who is willing to risk falling 10ft onto rocks whilst wearing a 90lb pack.

 This is another British pack.The inventor seems a bit more honest and says the power output is around 150bhp.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=136&v=8YWlBVjdqiU&feature=emb_logo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=136&v=8YWlBVjdqiU&feature=emb_logo)


They all appear to be from the same company. Gravity Industries.  ;)
Title: Re: The future! Lake District MR with jet suits.
Post by: Davidedgarjones on 16:17:42, 30/09/20
I hope it doesn't encourage more risky adventures with people expecting that if they get into bother the jet pack man will be there pronto.


What about the intrusion of yet more technology into the great outdoors?


Dave
Title: Re: The future! Lake District MR with jet suits.
Post by: Eyelet on 22:31:41, 30/09/20
Perhaps dog walkers should have them ready to escape marauding cows :o :o
Title: Re: The future! Lake District MR with jet suits.
Post by: ninthace on 12:22:33, 01/10/20
And the jets would be handy for making a brew while you are waiting for the helicopter or MRT.  Better still - grill some sausages.
Title: Re: The future! Lake District MR with jet suits.
Post by: Ridge on 13:07:30, 01/10/20
And the jets would be handy for making a brew while you are waiting for the helicopter or MRT.  Better still - grill some sausages.
Wild camping breakfast sausage sandwich delivery service to raise funds for MRT!
Attach sausages to jets in Patterdale and they are cooked by the time they get to Angle Tarn.
Title: Re: The future! Lake District MR with jet suits.
Post by: ninthace on 13:18:05, 01/10/20
Wild camping breakfast sausage sandwich delivery service to raise funds for MRT!
Attach sausages to jets in Patterdale and they are cooked by the time they get to Angle Tarn.
There is a precedent.  In my diving days, many of which were in the Lakes, I had a mate who attached a metal plate to the exhaust pipe of his compressor and cooked beans on it while fillling his tanks.
The duration of this jet pack is 8 to 9 mins, which is only 4 mins and and 4 back, so it would have to be fast food!
Title: Re: The future! Lake District MR with jet suits.
Post by: Bigfoot_Mike on 16:23:32, 01/10/20
I suspect the sausages would be inedible with a thick layer of charcoal insulating the raw heart of the sausage (if of course the sausages were not incinerated or blasted into the wilderness within the first few seconds).
Title: Re: The future! Lake District MR with jet suits.
Post by: ninthace on 17:43:05, 01/10/20
I suspect the sausages would be inedible with a thick layer of charcoal insulating the raw heart of the sausage (if of course the sausages were not incinerated or blasted into the wilderness within the first few seconds).
Previous attempts have met with varying degrees of success!  It is just a question of getting the distance between the efflux and the food right.  Well that and keeping the food in place.  You might a bigger skewer  :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=notQHci0_jU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=notQHci0_jU)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrorvNN_iOg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrorvNN_iOghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63BVwfUF3hE)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxpHJipB67g (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxpHJipB67g)