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Lake District / Re: New Facebook page NoGogondola
« Last post by April on Today at 20:03:22 »
Article in The Telegraph too. Good, this is now getting more exposure.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/advice/lake-district-theme-park-cable-car/
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Lake District / Re: TR Wild camp on Hartsop Above How Sat 11 Aug 18
« Last post by beefy on Today at 19:36:35 »
I forget now, is that the Hubba Hubba NX version of the MSR?. In your picture the guying points at the two ends seem a lot higher up the sides than in the pictures I've seen where they appeared to be quite close to the ground.
It's an MSR  Elixir2 O0
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Lake District / Re: TR Wild camp on Hartsop Above How Sat 11 Aug 18
« Last post by vghikers on Today at 19:15:41 »
Ambleside and the eastern fells on a summer Saturday, wouldn't be my choice!. A grand day and pitch though, terrific stuff.

I forget now, is that the Hubba Hubba NX version of the MSR?. In your picture the guying points at the two ends seem a lot higher up the sides than in the pictures I've seen where they appeared to be quite close to the ground.

Edit: I think I know why the guying points seem high, that's the 2-person version where the side 'triangles' are taller than the solo I was looking at.
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Lake District / Re: New Facebook page NoGogondola
« Last post by April on Today at 18:49:50 »
Article in The Times today

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/whinlatter-cable-car-plan-rocks-the-lake-district-zgmwhc6mx

Probably being naughty but I've copied and pasted the wording below.

Whinlatter cable car plan rocks the Lake District
Campaigners claim that a cable car meant to improve access for visitors would spoil views from Latrigg, overlooking Keswick in the Lake District
Conservationists in the Lake District are preparing to fight plans for a ski lift-style cable car only months after defeating proposals to build a zip wire.The Lake District National Park Authority argues that a cable car would allow more visitors to access a beauty spot near Keswick without clogging nearby roads with more cars.

The cable car plan is part of the authority’s “vision” for the national park over the next 15 years but is strongly opposed by Friends of the Lake District, which warns of “wholly inappropriate aerial infrastructure . . . visible from iconic viewpoints such as Latrigg and Dodd Fell”.

Annual tourist numbers in the Lake District have risen from 15.8 million in 2009 to 19.2 million last year. Friends of the Lake District says that the cable car would attract even more visitors, ruining the national park’s tranquillity and threatening its status as a World Heritage Site.

The authority’s draft local plan refers to “significant opportunities for intensification” of an existing visitor centre at Whinlatter Forest, which is popular with walkers and mountain bikers. It notes that the extra visitors could have an impact on Braithwaite village and to avoid this a “gondola” could be built from the A66 to the visitor centre.

Visitors would be able to park in Keswick, four miles away, possibly reaching the cable car via a shuttle bus.The document adds that the new “mountain centre” might include viewing stations, a dark-skies observatory, cycle tracks, and leisure accommodation.

Douglas Chalmers, chief executive of Friends of the Lake District, said: “There has been concern for some time that the Lake District National Park is becoming too commercialised. This feeling has increased in recent months.

Campaigners in Grizedale say the government’s plan to sell off Forestry Commission land will threaten the environment and economy
The landscape and the experiences [that the Lake District] provides are the attraction, and many tourism businesses benefit directly from this. It is what brings millions of visitors and supports tens of thousands of jobs, and those numbers continue to increase. Artificial attractions will not benefit, but actually will threaten our environment, our economy and our local communities.

“The government has recently launched a review of National Parks to ensure designated landscapes are fit for the future. They were set up for the wellbeing of the nation and that need may be even greater now.”
Steve Ratcliffe, director of sustainable development for the Lake District National Park, said it was working on the plans for Whinlatter with the Forestry Commission, which owns the land. He said a feasibility study was being conducted “to assess the potential impacts and benefits for the environment, communities and the economy”.

He added that the development “will need to be successfully assimilated into the forest landscape”.
The authority will publish a revised version of the 15-year plan next year and adopt it in 2020. Mr Ratcliffe said it was “critical for that plan to be forward-thinking”. He added: “I am particularly excited about alternative sustainable transport modes being put forward as part of the visitor experience.”

Friends of the Lake District said the cable car was “a tourist attraction in its own right rather than a radical traffic solution”.
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General Walking Discussion / Re: Veteran member
« Last post by rural roamer on Today at 18:21:59 »
Thought I’d need at least 1000 posts.



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Photography / Re: flickr
« Last post by Mel on Today at 18:00:32 »
I had this problem on another site.


Seems that you have to delete your cookies and browsing history for it to work again.


... a word of warning though... if you have anything that auto-logs you on, make sure you know the password for it before you do the delete browsing history / cookies thing because you will get asked for it again after the "cleanup".



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General Walking Discussion / Re: Veteran member
« Last post by Mel on Today at 17:54:08 »
....  and Verbal Diarrhoea at 2000?
<<<<<<<<     :D
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Long Distance Walks / Re: 3 Yorkshire peaks.
« Last post by tonyk on Today at 16:54:31 »
Doesn’t look like I will need doctors note now. The staff have spoken about it and realised people having drs note could effect benefits they get and drs don’t know what people are capable of. So they are having talk at end of this week to see what other way they can cover themselves from being blamed if anyone takes ill. Sounds like they will let anyone join in unless something comes up meaning someone wouldn’t be safe doing it which is what I hoped they would do.
Depends on why they are receiving the benefit.If it was for depression or other mental health issues doing a long walk could be seen as therapy.
 It might be an idea in any publicity material for the participants to wear ski masks and be referred to as Walker A,B,C etc.  ;)
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Long Distance Walks / Re: 3 Yorkshire peaks.
« Last post by Peter on Today at 16:37:21 »
Doesn’t look like I will need doctors note now. The staff have spoken about it and realised people having drs note could effect benefits they get and drs don’t know what people are capable of. So they are having talk at end of this week to see what other way they can cover themselves from being blamed if anyone takes ill. Sounds like they will let anyone join in unless something comes up meaning someone wouldn’t be safe doing it which is what I hoped they would do.




I can imagine that ticking the box saying 'I can't walk more than 50 metres' and then doing 26 miles and 1450 metres of actual ascent.. might be problematic..
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Gear / Re: Osprey Talon
« Last post by Couchwalker on Today at 16:28:54 »
Thanks all, you have confirmed what I initially thought but I do prefer to ask the experts before making a decision.

@Wombat, unfortunately I am still compiling our gear so don't have the all the gear to do that at the moment, not to mention it probably won't all fit in the bag I do use.

@vghikers, I tried the 33 on, unfortunately only with padding and no real weight in Go Outdoors, but it felt super comfortable, and as @ninthace said, the pole stowage system was what made me decide an Osprey was for me.

@Strider, I am actually entertaining the thought of using a back pack for my springer but he's so nuts he'll probably roll all over the place with it still on. We used to have a bullmastiff who came everywhere with us especially when going camping. We used a backpack on him and he was great carrying his poop bags and extra water, right up until the day we decided to put some shopping in there. Right in the middle of the walk back, he decided to roll on his back, there were broken eggs everywhere, squashed grapes, all sorts, it was so bad we had to throw the rucksack away and take him straight for a shower!
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