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Title: After a night in a tent do you feel good in the morning?
Post by: gunwharfman on 13:12:24, 28/01/19
I am one of those people who is always awake at dawn. I try to go back to sleep but just can't manage it. When I'm ready to get up, its usually chilly to cold, lots of condensation on and sometimes in my tent and nowadays because of my age I'm not as flexible as I used to be.

My usual routine (which I practice to do smoothly) is to open my inner side door, unzip the outer tent, count from ten to one, grit my teeth, throw off my sleeping quilt, quickly put on put on my trousers, socks and warm jacket, swivel to the opened side door and put my boots on. I do it as quickly as I can with no messing about and then get out of the tent completely, hoping that I don't get a splash of condensation over me as I make my move! At this point I will have a cup of water, may eat a choccy bar, sometimes I just don't bother.

My routine to feeling good in the morning is, get my gear packed, again I do it as fast as possible and I then start walking! Within one to two hours later, hopefully when its warmer, I'll then look for a nice spot to have breakfast and attend to my hygiene needs and have a shave. By then job done and I'm all ready to face the rest of the day in a happy and contented frame of mind!
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Post by: beefy on 13:19:27, 28/01/19
Why not get dressed before you open the doors letting the cold air in :)
Title: Re: After a night in a tent do you feel good in the morning?
Post by: fernman on 14:05:46, 28/01/19
My answer to the OP's question is I never feel good in the morning, wherever I sleep!

I agree with Beefy, put your clothes on first. Comfort comes first. And what if there happens to be some poor innocent soul nearby who sees you? Not a pretty sight, I'll bet.
The hoop-over-the-middle design of tents like my Zephyros and others makes it relatively straightforward to sit up and put a top layer on, followed by laying back with your knees in the air while you get your trousers on. You're going to get a few drips of condensation on you, it's inevitable.
The worst bit is getting your boots on, but I've always managed to do them before I wet myself, although there have been one or two occasions when I've dashed out for a pee without lacing them up.
Unless it is very warm I sleep in my baselayers, and on cold mornings I keep them on under my outer clothes until I've had breakfast and packed things so they're ready to put in my rucksack. The baselayers don't come off till I wash and then it's quickly down with the tent and start walking.
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Post by: zuludog on 14:14:29, 28/01/19
How uncivilised!

My usual morning routine is to have a pee in my pee bottle, then lie my sleeping bag and make as many cups of coffee as possible, and breakfast, usually muesli.
Only then do I get dressed and emerge
This means, of course, tying back the inner tent and either peering briefly out of the flysheet if the weather's dull & wet, or tying it back on a sunny morning

This has influenced my choice of gear
I got tired of trying to focus or concentrate on an increasingly leaky & tempremental paraffin stove, or waiting not very patiently for a cartridge top gas stove to boil water on chilly mornings, so now I use a hose connected gas stove
I also have 2 X 2l water bladders and a 0,75l water bottle. That means that after I've filled them in the evening when I pitch my tent I don't need to go out for more water

Years ago when I was younger & fitter, and we'd planned epic things like 65 miles or 17 Munros in a day I could get packed up quickly enough, but now I'm retired I have the luxury of being able to take my time
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Post by: forgotmyoldpassword on 16:39:06, 28/01/19
Usually I feel absolutely fking terrible in the mornings when I'm camping - probably as I tend to overdo it and find myself taking ages to fall asleep the previous night, which means waking at dawn always seems to leave me wanting an extra hour or two.  Quite partial to sleeping under a tarp in most UK conditions (Trailstar) which lets you open your eyes, roll over and see the outdoors, which is pleasant.  Most importantly, get yourself wrapped up, preserve as much warmth whilst you're in your bag as possible and get a brew going.  I realise lots of people are a fan of 'cold soaking' and tend to leave a stove, but for me I'm pretty miserable doing this. 


Worst bit as fernman said is putting your freezing boots on!  I'd recommend doing some basic stretches when you wake up after camping, a lot of people set off at a huge rate of knots to warm up after a heavy previous day, and just end up causing themselves problems before their body has really warmed up.  Sure, it won't happen every time, but the times it does you've just ruined your day out. 
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Post by: richardh1905 on 16:57:24, 28/01/19

I always enjoy waking up in a tent, even if it has been a foul night. There's just something very special about it that I can't out my finger on.


One thing guaranteed to get me in a bad mood though, is getting freezing hands handling tent poles etc whilst breaking camp.
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Post by: April on 18:36:56, 28/01/19
I always enjoy waking up in a tent ÖÖ.. There's just something very special about it that I can't out my finger on.

 O0

I love being out in the tent, something special about all of it as you say, pitching the tent, getting your gear sorted, making your dinner, watching the sunset, glass of wine, being in my sleeping bag, roll on warmer weather. I'm not keen on the really cold temps, the limit for me is down to 3 or 4 degrees but I have camped below zero quite a few times, I now avoid this, I don't enjoy it.

I sleep in my clothes so I don't have to get dressed in the morning. I sit up, still in my sleeping bag while I get the brews on and get the breakfast sorted. The tent doors (except the inner door, the stove is in the porch) aren't normally opened unless it is warm enough or light enough. I keep my boots inside the tent so they aren't quite as cold as leaving them in the porch.

I love waking up in the tent unless the weather is awful and you have getting soaked and wind blasted to look forward to.
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Post by: Owen on 20:17:42, 28/01/19
I've never worked a 9 to 5 type job, except when I was in the Army and worked at anytime of the day or night I've always started early. So, I normally wake up early - around 5am - out of habit. Breakfast is porridge in the bag so just add boiling water and brew some tea. While that cooks itself I'll get out of the sleeping bag wash etc and dress. Once I've finished breakfast I pack up and go, I'm not one for hanging around in the morning I do that in the afternoon.


It's always nice to wake to the sounds of nature and the smell of the earth unless it's a howling gale of course. The first morning on a long trip is especially good. The absence of traffic noise and fumes is very important to me as I spend so much time driving. That's why I like going away for two weeks at a time to some remote wilderness where I can walk for the entire holiday without seeing or crossing any roads or hearing any engines. Two weeks because that's about the limit of what I can carry.
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Post by: fit old bird on 20:31:57, 28/01/19
O0

I sleep in my clothes so I don't have to get dressed in the morning. I sit up, still in my sleeping bag while I get the brews on and get the breakfast sorted. The tent doors (except the inner door, the stove is in the porch) aren't normally opened unless it is warm enough or light enough. I keep my boots inside the tent so they aren't quite as cold as leaving them in the porch.



Pretty much what I do, but I don't camp very often. It has to be nice weather, and I have to be in the car so I can take the fold up sunlounger bed and a real duvet. Take boots off and snuggle under it.


ilona
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Post by: astaman on 06:33:10, 29/01/19
I like sleeping in a tent and I tend to sleep very well there, especially if I've walked a long way (for me) the day before. I get dressed straight away. If it's not raining heavily I put the small sit mat that I carry in front of the entrance with my shoes in front of it and put my knees on the sit mat and then stand up and put my feet in my shoes. If it's dry I'll open up my tent to try to dry off as much condensation as possible. Mornings are made of such little rituals for me. I immediately put water on the stove for a brew and while that is boiling I pack the things I need to keep dry into dry bags and seal them to make sure they don't accidentally get wet. By this time I usually have a cuppa ready to drink while I make breakfast: generally some kind of oatmeal or dried meal from a foil bag. When my breakfast is ready I put on another mug of water for a second brew to drink while I pack up. If it's raining I adapt this but the routine is similar but with a lot more profanity and cussing.
Title: Re: After a night in a tent do you feel good in the morning?
Post by: richardh1905 on 07:47:09, 29/01/19

If I'm wild camping on my own, I'm generally keen to get on my way, sometimes skipping breakfast and a brew altogether. Good to get some miles under my feet!
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Post by: Nomad32 on 22:56:45, 29/01/19
Morning can be a total nightmare. I sleep in running leggins and a thermal top so need to change into my tech tee and craghoppers. Then do breakfast of either granola or porridge with mnms an tea all before the mrs get up
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Post by: Dyffryn Ardudwy on 15:07:35, 30/01/19
Some friends of mine, like recounting their epic adventure, when they went on one of their lavish guided safari trips in the Kruger National Park in Africa some years ago.


The small group of travellers had to camp out overnight, in a specially chosen location, to get the full wildlife experience in the morning.


After what may have been a restless nights kip, there were numerous fresh paw prints a few yards from the tent.


The noises of the night in darkest Africa must have been exciting to say the least. :o


There had been several visits by a number of Hyenas throughout the night, curious to see if any food had been left out.

If i had been bursting for a pee, i recon i would have staid put.

Getting close to the wildlife is one thing, having them sniffing around your tent at night, is something else.

Thankfully camping out in the British wilderness does not pose such risk. OR DOES IT ?
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Post by: ninthace on 16:51:20, 30/01/19
Had a mole surface under my groundsheet once - does that count?
Title: Re: After a night in a tent do you feel good in the morning?
Post by: Stube on 17:46:07, 30/01/19
I had a horse step on my foot (and tent) once while camping on a farm. He moved his foot sharply when I objected & looked very questioningly into my tent :o No damage to either me or my tent.

Generally the biggest risk in southern England are wild boar which are getting quite common.

I get up leisurely in a morning with warm milk on my cereal followed by one or two boiled eggs. I brew tea for b'fast and coffee in a flask for the day's walk. If it's cold I may cook still in my bag, but usuallyI'll get get dressed first having kept my clothes warm in the bag overnight.
Title: Re: After a night in a tent do you feel good in the morning?
Post by: richardh1905 on 18:03:17, 30/01/19
Thankfully camping out in the British wilderness does not pose such risk. OR DOES IT ?



There has of course been talk of re-introducing wolves to parts the Scottish Highlands.

Title: Re: After a night in a tent do you feel good in the morning?
Post by: fernman on 18:09:26, 30/01/19

If i had been bursting for a pee, i recon i would have staid put.

Getting close to the wildlife is one thing, having them sniffing around your tent at night, is something else.

Thankfully camping out in the British wilderness does not pose such risk. OR DOES IT ?

I suspect, then, that if you had a badger snuffling about a couple of feet from your head in the middle of the night, as I once did, you would have wet yourself   :)
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Post by: Owen on 10:50:53, 31/01/19

There has of course been talk of re-introducing wolves to parts the Scottish Highlands.


Wolves aren't a problem to walkers, I had a pair pass by my tent during the night in Sweden. They very politely tiptoed by without disturbing me. I'd imagine sheep farmer wouldn't be quite so happy at their re-introductsion.
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Post by: richardh1905 on 11:38:45, 31/01/19
Indeed, Owen - attacks on humans are largely the stuff of Westerns. Personally, I would love to see them reintroduced to the remoter parts of the Highlands, not least because they would naturally control deer numbersr, but the wishes of the local communities are paramount.
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Post by: nick949 on 15:25:43, 03/02/19
Wolves would do a great job of controlling the Labrador and Golden Retriever population.  The first time someone sees Fluffy torn to pieces 'the public' will decide it was a bad idea after all. Scotland is too small and the wolves won't stay where it's hoped they will.


I love waking up in a tent - or more usually my 4 season hammock - but rise quickly and get moving. Those who linger over a leisurely breakfast clearly don't live in bear country. It's a unwise person who sleeps with edibles (or toothpaste etc.) in their tent.


Nick
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Post by: Owen on 15:33:24, 03/02/19
So, where do you live?
Title: Re: After a night in a tent do you feel good in the morning?
Post by: nick949 on 15:38:42, 03/02/19
So, where do you live?


Ontario - but I frequently hike in bear-free Britain, where, oddly I sleep like a baby  ;D
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Post by: Slogger on 16:47:29, 03/02/19
Because I like to pack the miles in, a tent to me is simply a shelter so as to at least get some sleep, and not a place to linger. I take advantage of all daylight for walking, so set out early morning before sunrise and pitch at dusk or in the dark of night. i sleep in my clothes like others, pack my sack as much as possible, for the following day so as to avoid faffing after waking. After waking my routine is much the same as Gunwarfman, no brew or breakfast, just out of the tent pack what's left and away eating a few cereal type bars as I go, looking forward to sunrise.
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Post by: Bigfoot_Mike on 17:55:22, 03/02/19
Itís a long time since I used a tent. Mrs BFM isnít a fan. I always found I slept very well in a tent after a long dayís walk. I remember several times in the French Alps stopping in the tent for a brief rest before walking into the nearest village for a beer and some food, only to wake up with the dawn chorus. I was young then, so the sleepiness couldnít be put down to age.
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Post by: Owen on 18:13:27, 03/02/19

Ontario - but I frequently hike in bear-free Britain, where, oddly I sleep like a baby  ;D


Interesting, do you get many Bear's there?
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Post by: FTSTTLB on 18:36:58, 03/02/19
I'm not a good sleeper anyway, so it's not that bad that I don't sleep that well in a tent either.I usually just stay there until my girlfriend is ready to rise and shine. Put on my clothes first and then prepare breakfast.
We usually camp in summer, so it gets hot rather fast, so we're usually out and about rather fast.
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Post by: fernman on 19:11:33, 03/02/19
I'm wondering now how many people are talking about camping in a little lightweight tent and how many are talking about general camping in a reasonable-sized tent with a few accessories, 'cos when I've finished my backpacking walks, and also when the wife gives me permission to go away for a few days, I use an outsize camp bed with a 2-inch thick mattress topper and a pillow, and I sleep blissfully!
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Post by: dank86 on 19:38:40, 03/02/19
There's always the cricks and creaks after a night in the tent but the camping mat I have now helps, also others will laugh at the idea but take a pillow! We are out there for enjoyment not torture little things make a huge difference.
Apart from physically though mentally I always feel amazing after a night out in a tent and that more than makes up for the joints being stiff
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Post by: jimbob on 20:09:13, 03/02/19
a reasonable-sized tent with a few accessories, , I use an outsize camp bed with a 2-inch thick mattress topper and a pillow, and I sleep blissfully!
Geeze, carrying that sort of weight must put you on the stature scale of the Hulk. ;D ;D :D
I'm jealous.
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Post by: nick949 on 20:15:51, 03/02/19

Interesting, do you get many Bear's there?


In our area (eastern Ontario) 25 black bears per 100 squ km.  More further north. Camp sensibly and they are never a problem. Blackflies and mosquitos - now they can be a real problem.
When I wild camp in the UK I don't spend a lot of time worrying about badgers and polecats  ;)
Title: Re: After a night in a tent do you feel good in the morning?
Post by: fernman on 20:23:15, 03/02/19
Geeze, carrying that sort of weight must put you on the stature scale of the Hulk. ;D ;D :D
I'm jealous.

Dang! I was thinking of writing "car camping" instead of "general camping". Wish I had now!

Edit: Just looked up the weight of the camp bed, it's 8.7 kg, that's over 19 lb for those that still use old money.
Then there's the bulk of the rolled-up mattress-topper....
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Post by: richardh1905 on 20:42:05, 03/02/19
When I wild camp in the UK I don't spend a lot of time worrying about badgers and polecats  ;)


Have you been acquainted with the Scottish midge yet?


(https://image.ibb.co/fVERvJ/Midge-armageddon.jpg)


On this morning I felt pretty good - until I opened the door zip!
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Post by: Owen on 20:48:19, 03/02/19

In our area (eastern Ontario) 25 black bears per 100 squ km.  More further north. Camp sensibly and they are never a problem. Blackflies and mosquitos - now they can be a real problem.
When I wild camp in the UK I don't spend a lot of time worrying about badgers and polecats  ;)


We don't have bears here but there are a few in Scandinavia. I've no idea what the population density is but your chance of actually seeing one is almost nil. All I've seen is their scat. They also have Wolves, Wolverine and Lynx again I've not seen the animals only their tracks. 
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Post by: nick949 on 20:48:49, 03/02/19
Midges - I remember them from many years back. Blackflies are midges on steroids.  https://youtu.be/HAd_JIFzceo (https://youtu.be/HAd_JIFzceo)
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Post by: Slogger on 17:23:38, 04/02/19
Moving on - another tent problem.I have three tents a two man and two solo ones. the solo ones sleeping area are shaped like coffins with no unnecesary room so as to keep the weight to a minimum. Problem is when needing to urinate in the night. No headroom to sit up and kneeling is difficult especially if the outer is wet. Not wanting to exit the tent I keep a bottle handy but it can be difficult to manovre ones self into a sort of sideways lying position and be sure that all ones bladder contents go into said bottle and not the sleeping bag/tent floor. Any other idea's? :)
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Post by: jimbob on 18:28:26, 04/02/19
Ah SLOGGER, hope someone does come up with a solution. My little coffin tent is good for all aspects in which I use it, except for the old man's bladder problem.   I normally have to get up and find my boots to go outside.
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Post by: dank86 on 19:30:07, 04/02/19
Slogger and jimbob use a shewee attached to some tubing, giving you a wider area to aim for 👍
A fellow coffin tent user
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Post by: jimbob on 19:40:20, 04/02/19
Slogger and jimbob use a shewee attached to some tubing, giving you a wider area to aim for 👍
A fellow coffin tent user
Ooh, I hope you use it outside your sleeping bag.My mind is truly boggled.

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Post by: dank86 on 19:45:44, 04/02/19
Ooh, I hope you use it outside your sleeping bag.My mind is truly boggled.


Haha yep use outside the sleeping bag and the tube directs it away from the tent. Could always use a funnel instead of shewee lol
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Post by: fernman on 20:47:03, 04/02/19
You lot of wimps! :o Put your feet in your boots, get outside and do it a short distance from your tent!

I've done that a few times, especially in the years before they opened me up and threw bits away when I got the old man's problem earlier in life than is usual. And I've done it in freezing cold, howling wind or lashing rain (though I admit I've put my waterproof jacket on for the latter occasions).  :angel:

Reminds me, a former waterproof I had always smelled like I'd peed in it, to which one of my sons remarked that I probably had, which was NOT TRUE.
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Post by: jimbob on 20:56:40, 04/02/19
You lot of wimps! :o Put your feet in your boots, get outside and do it a short distance from your tent!
But  that is what I do,  minimum 4 bleedin times a night when I'm camping. Just the once at home? ?????Starting to think I overdo the hydration. But when you eat evenings in pubs I find over hydration is too easy.
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Post by: Doddy on 12:31:37, 08/02/19
I usually experience fitful nights sleep for the first couple of nights then sleep well. It is good to have a getting off to sleep mantra/ meditation technique - usually involving slow counting and breathing.
 Although in the UK I have Henry Shires Notch and Moment shelters both of which you can sit up in. Pee bottles are great and an acquired art- going outside wakes me up too much. I now have the Pingxia emergency urinal tube.
I have hiked in the US so when getting out at night to pee and feeling a nose on your butt may give a whole new meaning to night-time thrills e.g Bear, Coyote.
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Post by: fernman on 13:54:16, 08/02/19
Sleep comes easily to me when backpacking as I'm usually cream crackered from the day's walking, although I tend to drift in and out of sleep all night. This is probably because I'm not on something as comfortable as my mattress and pillow at home, but it doesn't matter because I'm in my sleeping bag for 10 hours from 9 pm till 7 am (it gets dark around 8 at the times of the year I go).

But I usually sleep very badly on my first night on a camp site before I start my walk. This is because my brain and body are still jangled by the 235 miles drive there, while my mind is concerned about doing everything correctly in the morning when I'll be mixing up backpacking and base camp equipment in the boot of my car, while I'm also full of anxiety about the walk I'm embarking on
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Post by: Maggot on 01:29:45, 21/02/19
Moving on - another tent problem.I have three tents a two man and two solo ones. the solo ones sleeping area are shaped like coffins with no unnecesary room so as to keep the weight to a minimum. Problem is when needing to urinate in the night. No headroom to sit up and kneeling is difficult especially if the outer is wet. Not wanting to exit the tent I keep a bottle handy but it can be difficult to manovre ones self into a sort of sideways lying position and be sure that all ones bladder contents go into said bottle and not the sleeping bag/tent floor. Any other idea's? :)


That's ok, you can thank me later (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Male-External-Condom-Catheter-Latex/dp/B0725QRDFW)........


Don't forget the bag and tubing to do with it  O0
Title: Re: After a night in a tent do you feel good in the morning?
Post by: fernman on 08:52:35, 21/02/19

That's ok, you can thank me later (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Male-External-Condom-Catheter-Latex/dp/B0725QRDFW)........

Don't forget the bag and tubing to do with it  O0

You could always get someone medically trained to stick a tube up you like they do after the 'old man's operation' in hospital. Then all you have to do is empty the bag when it gets full  :)


I'll get my coat....
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Post by: Maggot on 08:58:09, 21/02/19
You could always get someone medically trained to stick a tube up you like they do after the 'old man's operation' in hospital. Then all you have to do is empty the bag when it gets full  :)


I'll get my coat....


The beauty of my solution is that you do not need any instillagel, saline, syringe etc.  It's the same solution, but with a condom instead of an inserted catheter  O0
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Post by: gunwharfman on 19:52:11, 21/02/19
Slogger - Buy yourself a Uriwell. Its a concertina bottle the size of a coca cola can, when it pulled open its about a foot long. Ideal in a tent, you can even pee into it lieing on your side. I've used one for years, never leave home without it.
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Post by: Innominate Man on 23:12:30, 21/02/19
You could always get someone medically trained to stick a tube up you like they do after the 'old man's operation' in hospital.


 :-\   :-\  Is this something I have to look forward to in advancing years ?  (he says feigning youth)
Not wishing to go off topic, but what is the 'dread' operation ?
And in an attempt to come back onto topic, after talking with a gent of more advanced years than myself (a total stranger actually, who I ended up discussing ..... the speed at which the need to tinkle seems to increase with age) he mentioned keeping an empty plastic bottle in his car. Just in case.
After not too much thought I saw the sense in this and decided I would likewise keep one as a sort of insurance: Which after the speed of need caught me out one evening (on the way back from walking in the Lakes  O0 ) - I realised careful thought was needed with the bore of this bottle. Ahem, this being more to do with margins for error than a brag ... :D
I guess fiddling around with a container in a tent/sleeping bag is similar to doing so in the drivers seat (while parked up I hasten to add).
I now drive around resplendent with an old Comfort Conditioner bottle in the boot.
Could be problematic with lightweight camping though.
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Post by: Maggot on 08:28:07, 22/02/19
I watched one of those motorway maintenance programmes a few weeks back, about the M5.  They had the team who go along the hard shoulder picking up the rubbish that people seem to weirdly think it is ok to chuck out the window. 


It did take me a few mentions to realise what they meant by "Lorry drivers Tizer"  ::)
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Post by: fernman on 09:56:26, 22/02/19
Its a concertina bottle the size of a coca cola can, when it pulled open its about a foot long.
Not long enough for me  ::)

Is this something I have to look forward to in advancing years ?  (he says feigning youth)
Not wishing to go off topic, but what is the 'dread' operation ?
You don't have to be that old, I had it done at 55. It's when they remove your prostate gland.
And speaking from experience, keeping empty bottles in your vehicle is standard practice when driving is part, or all, of your living. Robinsons orange squash ones used to have, erm, suitable dimensions until they changed the design of the container.

It did take me a few mentions to realise what they meant by "Lorry drivers Tizer" 
The plastic carrier bags are worse.....


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Post by: gunwharfman on 18:05:46, 22/02/19
The Prostate! Been there, had it done in 2015, no problems since! If you need it done, go for it! I'm one of the elite so I've been told, had mine done by the Da Vinci Robot!