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Dyffryn Ardudwy

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Re: Is Brexit affecting your 2019 hiking plans?
« Reply #15 on: 18:42:02, 28/11/18 »
If there is a second referendum, then it should not include any option of remaining in the EU.
Several years ago, Ireland was asked by the EU to have another referendum, simply because they did not like the outcome when they rejected the terms of an important treaty.

There are many in the Remain camp who are crossing their fingers, that due to the confusion and worry cooked up by those who simply cannot contemplate leaving the EU, that people will change their minds.

Britain thankfully is a democracy, and however close that 2016 result was, the majority voted to LEAVE, and that's exactly what we must do in March.

How we leave is another matter, but if the option to remain is on the referendum paper, then any negotiations in the future with the Eu, will be totally stacked against the Uk.

The country will be seen as weak and heaven knows what the markets in that place known as THE CITY  would do.

Whether your a Remainer or Leaver, the current offer on the table is a poor one, and no doubt will probably fail in the parliamentary vote. :-[

If the vote had been to stay, then none of this fiasco would be happening, but we are leaving in March, hard, soft or spongy Brexit, and any second referendum should be a discussion on our leaving terms,  nothing else.

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Re: Is Brexit affecting your 2019 hiking plans?
« Reply #16 on: 19:03:07, 28/11/18 »
Couldn't disagree more. Remain must be an option.  We now know facts as opposed to fiction in the two and a half years since the referendum. Polls clearly indicate the will of the people is now to remain, that must at least be confirmed or not, so choice should be remain or May's deal, since parliament won't accept a no deal option as it would be too damaging.


Democracy doesn't end with one vote and people are allowed to change their mind :)
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Re: Is Brexit affecting your 2019 hiking plans?
« Reply #17 on: 19:08:42, 28/11/18 »
...And I thought we were doing SO well at keeping Brexit off the forum... :(

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« Reply #18 on: 19:10:58, 28/11/18 »
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Re: Is Brexit affecting your 2019 hiking plans?
« Reply #19 on: 19:24:45, 28/11/18 »
Oh [censored], are you telling me that where you decide to walk depends on whether or not we're in the EU? Pretty sad really if that's the case.

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Re: Is Brexit affecting your 2019 hiking plans?
« Reply #20 on: 19:33:03, 28/11/18 »
I assume that Dyffryn Ardudwy like Rees Mogg and his cronies is a man of private means with an overseas investment income so this won't bother him  The UK will be poorer economically under any form of Brexit, compared with staying in the EU, government analysis suggests Here's to the 51.9% and their well informed decision.  I'd rather be hiking.
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Re: Is Brexit affecting your 2019 hiking plans?
« Reply #21 on: 19:39:20, 28/11/18 »

Democracy doesn't end with one vote and people are allowed to change their mind :)
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Yep we have many elections that change governments,  councils etc. 
If you truly believe that referenda should be binding on the government. (Incidentally the last one wasn't the Act allowing the referendum stated that its result was advisory I. E. Whatever result could be ignored by the Govt.  if it didn't want to take that advice) then you have to believe that we should regularly ask the people how they think on a regular basis. Or elect politicians with the guts to do the job they were elected to represent us at, governing and not passing a party splitting buck.
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Re: Is Brexit affecting your 2019 hiking plans?
« Reply #22 on: 19:58:26, 28/11/18 »
Winston Churchill once said the best argument against democracy is a 5 minute conversation with the average voter. I think events around the world over the last couple of years show there is some truth to that.


Add to that a corruption of politicians, each trying to foist their bankrupt ideology on us and you can see why we are in a mess. A succession of failed ‘leaders’ have sold us a pup. What we may end up with is neither fish nor fowl and won’t satisfy either side of the divide.


A democratic decision is not fixed for all time and that is why we have periodic elections - we can change our minds. Making a non-reversible decision of this magnitude on such a narrow margin for a clearly divided nation is madness, particularly when you consider how many have died and turned 18 in the last couple of years. Age had a big part to play in the decisions and if nothing else had changed, we might well get a different decision today.

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Re: Is Brexit affecting your 2019 hiking plans?
« Reply #23 on: 20:09:22, 28/11/18 »
...And I thought we were doing SO well at keeping Brexit off the forum... :(


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Re: Is Brexit affecting your 2019 hiking plans?
« Reply #24 on: 20:13:16, 28/11/18 »
Hopefully off to New Zealand for a few weeks. ....


Can you take Gunwharfman with you.....please!  And confiscate anything that enables him to get on-line! ;) :D :D
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Re: Is Brexit affecting your 2019 hiking plans?
« Reply #25 on: 20:47:24, 28/11/18 »
Brexit will go ahead, but to fret about whether this means you will be able to go France on holiday is bonkers. 


We have only had freedom of movement for about 25 years or so, since Maastricht.  This means that for most of your life the arrangements were as they will be from April next year.  Can we assume that you didn't go to France prior to the mid 90s because it was such a hassle?




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Re: Is Brexit affecting your 2019 hiking plans?
« Reply #26 on: 21:02:44, 28/11/18 »
Brexit will go ahead, but to fret about whether this means you will be able to go France on holiday is bonkers. 


We have only had freedom of movement for about 25 years or so, since Maastricht.  This means that for most of your life the arrangements were as they will be from April next year.  Can we assume that you didn't go to France prior to the mid 90s because it was such a hassle?
Going to France wasn't too much of a hassle in those days but coming back was a regular PITA.  Sometimes it took longer to get through Border Control than it did to cross the Channel and that was without today's illegal migrant problem or the volume of today's ferry traffic.
Holland, France et al have already started training extra customs personnel for some time - what has our lot been doing?
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Re: Is Brexit affecting your 2019 hiking plans?
« Reply #27 on: 21:28:04, 28/11/18 »
Going to France wasn't too much of a hassle in those days but coming back was a regular PITA.  Sometimes it took longer to get through Border Control than it did to cross the Channel and that was without today's illegal migrant problem or the volume of today's ferry traffic.
Holland, France et al have already started training extra customs personnel for some time - what has our lot been doing?


And of course Gunwharfman should allow at least an extra 45 minutes in case the world ends, the wheels come off and he has to spend 8 months in quarantine in case he has contracted rabies, mad cow or Frenchness in general!  Then he will obviously have to spend 12 days in the Post Office changing all his money into Euros as there will be no taking English pounds out of the UK.


Or possibly it will just go absolutely fine, despite the thousands of extra officers that the Dutch will have lined up!

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Re: Is Brexit affecting your 2019 hiking plans?
« Reply #28 on: 21:40:04, 28/11/18 »
 I have just listened to Mark Carney parroting a script that coke head George Osborne had written for him and then log onto the form for even more of the same crap. >:( Stop worrying,things will sort themselves out,they always do.The worst case scenario is a nuclear war between the UK and France so there isn't that much to worry about.I think Mr Carney forgot to mention that one.

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Re: Is Brexit affecting your 2019 hiking plans?
« Reply #29 on: 21:41:48, 28/11/18 »
I made my first cross channel trip in 1961.  No RoRo ferries in those days, in fact it wasn't long since they had stopped using cranes to swing cars on and off.  The journey across France took two and a half days - no motorways then -  and a Dad's Morris could only make 55mph on a good day with a tail wind.  Dad only got a fortnight so we had just 9 days by the Med before we had to set off back.  I do seem to remember currency restrictions in those days too in terms of how much sterling we were allowed to take out and things called Visitors' Passports that had a short shelf life but still we managed.
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