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ninthace

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Re: Boxing day hunt
« Reply #15 on: 08:45:03, 08/01/19 »
Well spoken! Both of you.
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Re: Boxing day hunt
« Reply #16 on: 08:46:45, 08/01/19 »
Shame, I thought I'd found a nice place of solace without the [censored] normally found on forums.

I don't think anything so far has been too [censored]?  :-\

The forum is a great place but sometimes we do digress on threads sometimes  :)

the cute Reynard is also responsible for cruelty and vicious attacks to poultry and lambs (as wells other small animals, which may not necessarily be of farm origin).

IM, yes foxes do kill chickens and lambs but the biggest threat to animals in this world is caused by humans. Humans kill far more chickens and lambs than foxes ever will.

There seems to be little support for the poor badger who is being culled in large numbers, being blamed for TB in cattle despite little evidence that they transmit the disease or a noticeable decrease in TB in cattle where local badger culling has occurred.

I totally agree with you. I once saw a documentary that highlighted the futility of the badger cull to eradicate TB in cattle.  (Might have been the BBC  ;))

IM, I can assure you my views on this subject are entirely my own. Or they may have been inspired by Piers Morgan  ;) His utterly ridiculous tweet in response to Greggs selling vegan sausage rolls has inspired quite a few people to think about veganism and how we humans treat animals.

In fact, late 80's I was a hunt sab, and a member of a well known animal 'welfare' organisation and also was a hunt 'monitor' on a few hunts more recently. Being involved with people like that made me realise a lot of them had no interest in the foxes welfare, they were there to cause trouble. What so called hunt monitor, blows a horn on the opposite side of a busy dual carriageway to try and lure the hounds into traffic?

 :o This is an eye opener, Couchwalker, thank you for posting about this.

What annoyed me was that the thread was quite civilised but then 1 comment which wasn't required gives it the potential to descend into another drama fest. .

I hope it wasn't my post you found to be uncivilised. It wasn't meant to be  :-[

I don't eat meat or dairy, which admittedly was initially due to health reasons, but is now down to animal welfare reasons.

I have been vegetarian for 31 years and have thought about becoming a vegan for years. The response from certain people last week to Greggs daring to provide a vegan something to eat has giving me the push I needed. I am now determined to go vegan. Thanks Piers and to Greggs, your tweets were hilarious  O0

Sorry, I have now digressed even further  :-[  ;)
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Re: Boxing day hunt
« Reply #17 on: 09:01:37, 08/01/19 »
Just a simple point before we, hopefully, move on...


There's other ways to control fox population than having dogs tear them to pieces in a slow and painful death for the entertainment of humans.
A proper controlled cull would ensure they are killed quickly by professionals with the right tools.
So, fox overpopulation/killing livestock is no excuse for 'hunting' at all.

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Re: Boxing day hunt
« Reply #18 on: 10:26:35, 08/01/19 »
With apologies to the the OP, we have digressed considerably but a very interesting discussion nonetheless and some interesting points/views being made in a pleasant civilised way.
And as Groucho Marks said - 'Those are my principles and if you don't like them ..... well, I have others'   ;D



I have been vegetarian for 31 years .............

Hmmm ... so what do you wash your red wine down with ?   :D   :D
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Re: Boxing day hunt
« Reply #19 on: 11:09:26, 08/01/19 »
Hmmm ... so what do you wash your red wine down with ?   :D   :D
More red wine of course  ;D
DRIP COFFINS  :D

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Re: Boxing day hunt
« Reply #20 on: 11:16:12, 08/01/19 »

Is a walking forum really the correct place for this? I might not be a regular contributor compared to some, but I enjoy coming here to read about walking not peoples views on fox hunting.
Just because you don't regularly contribute, doesn't mean your not a valued member of the forum Couchwalker  :)

It's entirely up to you what you choose to read I suppose,
Just ignore the topics you don't want to read about, and enjoy the ones you do  O0
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Re: Boxing day hunt
« Reply #21 on: 13:09:45, 08/01/19 »
Hmmm ... so what do you wash your red wine down with ?   :D   :D

More red wine of course  ;D

 ;D You can get red wine that is vegetarian IM
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« Reply #22 on: 13:48:04, 08/01/19 »
;D You can get red wine that is vegetarian IM
I prefer it made from grapes  :D
DRIP COFFINS  :D

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Re: Boxing day hunt
« Reply #23 on: 13:48:51, 08/01/19 »
;D You can get red wine that is vegetarian IM
More red wine of course  ;D


Ah, diluted - of course  O0
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Re: Boxing day hunt
« Reply #24 on: 13:57:53, 08/01/19 »
Drag hunting is just a front for illegal hunting in a lot of cases, see the brutality handed out to hunt monitors on a regular basis, all in the name of tearing a fox apart, oh sorry I mean tradition!
I don't thinks this a good generalization, certain not when an emotive off forum subject is being, discussed with tolerance, because it does negatively impact a walker true interests.
Not many here seem to look on the horse rider as an ally.

The debate and conclusion of the Fox Hunting issue caused a great deal of ill feeling in country communities, which will take the loss of a generation before it has much chance of healing. But anyone expressing strong views should be aware of how the realities are, if you are a keen equestrian the drag hunt is the only opportunity to ride in open country in the way that can only be created by the willing support of a large number of landowners. There are landowner's, who support the ban on fox hunting, so it would seem likely that a hunt would want to maximize the area in which it wants to operate. There is a hunting season, so this sort of open country riding will not give year round coverage to the keener riders, hacking is the out of season option and the bridleways are where this takes place.

If I were to make an analogy with walking, hacking is what we do most of the time but some of us go off and climb rocks, even snow and ice climbs, throw in a few precarious bivouacs and if we are unlucky get killed. The drag can give the horse rider the equestrian equivalent. Of course a fox may break cover, but it is the responsibility of the Master to ensure that his huntsman keeps the hounds on the drag scent. Now I don't know how effective these officers of the hunt are in managing this, but I do know some people, who could tell me. As this topic has made me realize this, I am going to bend a few ears.

One thing I am sure of, if the horse industry is to keep this valuable sort of open country riding, then it must obey the rules and laws. All interests need the willing support of various occupiers of this land to fully benefit from leisure resource of the countryside.

Walkers certainly do not need the animosity associated with anti-hunt activists, especially if it is attracted by association with erroneous propaganda.
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Re: Boxing day hunt
« Reply #25 on: 14:02:34, 08/01/19 »
Just a thought April.  The Lake District landscape is the product of animal farming.  If we all went veggie/vegan, what would happen to the countryside?  As a proxy vegetarian - I am doing my bit to look after the landscape  :)


Our walk today was like being near a war zone, the pheasants were really taking a pasting.  Time we armed them birds and taught them to shoot back!  I have never had a problem with hunting for the pot but these guys must have been starving!
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Re: Boxing day hunt
« Reply #26 on: 14:09:29, 08/01/19 »
I don't thinks this a good generalization, certain not when an emotive off forum subject is being, discussed with tolerance, because it does negatively impact a walker true interests.
Not many here seem to look on the horse rider as an ally.

The debate and conclusion of the Fox Hunting issue caused a great deal of ill feeling in country communities, which will take the loss of a generation before it has much chance of healing. But anyone expressing strong views should be aware of how the realities are, if you are a keen equestrian the drag hunt is the only opportunity to ride in open country in the way that can only be created by the willing support of a large number of landowners. There are landowner's, who support the ban on fox hunting, so it would seem likely that a hunt would want to maximize the area in which it want to operate. There is a hunting season, so this sort of open country riding will not give year round coverage to the keener riders, hacking is the out of season option and the bridleways are where this takes place.

If I were to make an analogy with walking, hacking is what we do most of the time but some of us go off and climb rocks, even snow and ice climbs, throw in a few precarious bivouacs and if we are unlucky get killed. The drag can give the horse rider the equestrian equivalent. Of course a fox may break cover, but it is the responsibility of the Master to ensure that his huntsman keeps the hounds on the drag scent. Now I don't know how effective these officers of the hunt are in managing this, but I do know some people, who could tell me. As this topic has made me realize this, I am going to bend a few ears.

One thing I am sure of, if the horse industry is to keep this valuable sort of open country riding, then it must obey the rules and laws. We all need the willing support various occupiers of this land to fully benefit from leisure resource of the countryside.
Quite a number of years ago we used to go to a local village on Boxing Day to see the hunt gathering & setting off. We have no interest in hunting but my son was mad about horses and it was a good opportunity to (locally) see a lot of them at close range.
I appreciate the whole purpose of it is to 'hunt' but as bww states, there is a huge involvement purely for the joy of riding.
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Re: Boxing day hunt
« Reply #27 on: 15:47:57, 08/01/19 »

Is a walking forum really the correct place for this? I might not be a regular contributor compared to some, but I enjoy coming here to read about walking not peoples views on fox hunting.
Itís my opinion, like it or donít. As a not so regular poster here you are still entitled to your opinion, so am I.
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« Reply #28 on: 16:04:00, 08/01/19 »
Some interesting replies indeed, Iím in agreement with April though. One good thing it has prompted debate about an emotive subject, if one or two have an issue with my post I really couldnít care less, quite often topics go off on a tangent, get used to it. One more thing I would add, a Fox is a wild animal that kills to survive, sometimes wild animals need to be controlled, and in the right most humane way I have no issue with that, To do so for fun and tradition is appaling and so are those that support it.
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« Reply #29 on: 16:16:06, 08/01/19 »
When I was out walking on Boxing day I came across .... at least 20 horses or more and numerous dogs, they had come along a public footpath to reach a village, I thought horses where only supposed to use  bridleways, the path was in a complete mess where the horses hooves had turfed it up.


Itís usually the landowners that organise the hunt so I guess they can ride where they like on their own land although riding horses on the Public Rights of Way running across their land isnít normally practiced apart from during a hunt Ė a sort of perk of the job I guess  :-\
 
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