Author Topic: Why I think novice walkers can benefit from group walking  (Read 1216 times)

sussamb

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Re: Why I think novice walkers can benefit from group walking
« Reply #45 on: 12:37:39, 10/09/19 »

To all those who eschew paper maps, unless you have a very high spec (and thus expensive) GPS receiver, which most walkers will not have, how can you always be certain which side of a wall a footpath is, if it is not clear on the ground?


Same way as with a paper map, but you look at the map on your screen.  Incidentally you don't need an expensive GPS to do that, just the correct map  :)
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sussamb

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Re: Why I think novice walkers can benefit from group walking
« Reply #46 on: 12:42:12, 10/09/19 »
Not everybody has Viewranger and even those that do are at the mercy of battery exhaustion.


I use my GPS as primary nav aid with phone/ViewRanger as back up. My GPS batteries last around 18 hours and I carry spares.  I have a USB stick that will recharge my phone twice.  I reckon I'm safer now that when I just had a paper map with no backup if I'd put it down and forgotten it, or if it had been blown away, and so forth  :)
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Re: Why I think novice walkers can benefit from group walking
« Reply #47 on: 12:44:30, 10/09/19 »
I surrender.

sussamb

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Re: Why I think novice walkers can benefit from group walking
« Reply #48 on: 13:39:38, 10/09/19 »
 ;D
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Re: Why I think novice walkers can benefit from group walking
« Reply #49 on: 15:16:34, 10/09/19 »
My gps has a fairly small screen, so main reason I nearly always carry a map is if I find it necessary (or desirable) to materially alter route when out on a walk...being able to take in a larger area at a glance makes re-planning easier.


And yes..I can easily see even that advantage wouldn’t apply to some one who simply takes out a tablet with them.

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Re: Why I think novice walkers can benefit from group walking
« Reply #50 on: 16:44:05, 10/09/19 »
My gps has a fairly small screen, so main reason I nearly always carry a map is if I find it necessary (or desirable) to materially alter route when out on a walk...being able to take in a larger area at a glance makes re-planning easier.


And yes..I can easily see even that advantage wouldn’t apply to some one who simply takes out a tablet with them.
  Having recently upgraded my mobile, I was pleasantly surprised how much can be accomplished with a phone screen by zooming in and out.  Last week I encountered a lady who was doing a linear walk with a companion.  They had started at opposite ends of a trail but her companion had gone off route somehow and they had missed each other.  Although I did not have the appropriate paper map with me, I was able to use my phone in conjunction with the OS mapping app to show her exactly where she was and where her friend was likely to be.
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Re: Why I think novice walkers can benefit from group walking
« Reply #51 on: 23:19:59, 10/09/19 »
  Having recently upgraded my mobile, I was pleasantly surprised how much can be accomplished with a phone screen by zooming in and out.  Last week I encountered a lady who was doing a linear walk with a companion.  They had started at opposite ends of a trail but her companion had gone off route somehow and they had missed each other.  Although I did not have the appropriate paper map with me, I was able to use my phone in conjunction with the OS mapping app to show her exactly where she was and where her friend was likely to be.
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Re: Why I think novice walkers can benefit from group walking
« Reply #52 on: 23:30:07, 10/09/19 »
We will make a OS App convert out of you yet. O0
O0  It is my go to navigation tool just after my Etrex (1st choice - dedicated device), ViewRanger (2nd choice - more versatile) and ahead of paper map and compass (4th choice - only if desperate)
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Re: Why I think novice walkers can benefit from group walking
« Reply #53 on: 11:11:59, 12/09/19 »
All you lot should be ashamed of yourselves using tech  ;D  is there only me who has to rely on paper maps?
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Re: Why I think novice walkers can benefit from group walking
« Reply #54 on: 11:32:22, 12/09/19 »
Paper maps for me even if they are little scraps of A4  ;D .
I couldn't lug my PC all over the countryside, that is where I research. So I am with Pleb, not that haven't tried with GPS, but the mobile phone is a bit of kit I rather leave in my sock drawer, where it went when I retired.
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Re: Why I think novice walkers can benefit from group walking
« Reply #55 on: 15:50:16, 12/09/19 »
All you lot should be ashamed of yourselves using tech  ;D  is there only me who has to rely on paper maps?
Paper map and compass for me.


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I reckon I'm safer now that when I just had a paper map with no backup if I'd put it down and forgotten it, or if it had been blown away, and so forth
I think in your case you are right.You would probably fall down a hill looking at the map instead of where you are going.At least with GPS you can still see your feet so it does reduce the risk....a little. ;)

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Re: Why I think novice walkers can benefit from group walking
« Reply #56 on: 16:29:48, 12/09/19 »
Susamb I think in your case you are right.You would probably fall down a hill looking at the map instead of where you are going.At least with GPS you can still see your feet so it does reduce the risk....a little. ;)


 ;D  wish I could blame my fall on that but at that point my GPS was firmly in my pocket, MRT took it out when they did their full assessment so I quickly grabbed it and handed it to my walking buddy for safe keeping  O0
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Re: Why I think novice walkers can benefit from group walking
« Reply #57 on: 16:35:42, 12/09/19 »
There are 3 things I like about my little electric map reader.
1. It is instantly accessible as it lives clipped to my shoulder harness out of the way until I need it.
2.  When I come to a navigational quandary, it shows me where I am and where I have come from straight away so it is a very quick one handed unclip, look, decide, re-stow in much less time than it takes to get the map out and fix your position.
3.  If I take a wrong turning, it warns me I am not going where I thought I was.
Most of the time it stays stowed out of the way so I can enjoy the walk.  There are other advantages such as giving me an ETA at my destination, current height and elevation profile and a trace of my actual route as a souvenir.
For these reasons, I would encourage any novice walker to learn not only the art of conventional map reading but also the art of using an electronic aid.  I know MRTs decry the use of mobile phones but I disagree.  Yes, if you set out with a half charged phone using GoogleMaps you are likely to run into trouble but much in the same way as we encourage novices to dress appropriately, to have a map and compass and know how to use them; I believe the message should include take a phone or gps, fully charged, with the right app on board and know how to use it.  Modern aids, dedicated or phone based, no longer need a data signal to work and fully charged, should last all day.
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Re: Why I think novice walkers can benefit from group walking
« Reply #58 on: 17:09:56, 12/09/19 »
There are 3 things I like about my little electric map reader...

I agree with ninthace!  O0

And if I might add a couple of things about way-finding that I don't think have been mentioned so far...

1. Some walkers use GPS watches. These are great for recording walks, knowing distance covered, etc. but some also have a 'return to start' function. Of course not every walk is a circuit or a there-and-back, but lots are - and in my case probably 99.9%! So if all else fails, a watch such as a Garmin Vivoactive 3 can point the way back to the start (as the crow flies) as well as show the distance.

2. While the watch thing is perhaps a bit specific, this one should apply to anyone on any walk: Having worked out a route before setting off, whether on a PC or a paper map or whatever - remember the basics of the walk! For example, "I'll head roughly south for about 3 miles then go north-west for 4 miles, and so on." Or even, "The top of the big hill I'm climbing is north-east from the start, so I'll be returning south-west." I'll assume everyone carries a compass, but there are other ways to navigate too, such as using the sun or satellite dishes. Just a thought - and I'm not trying to teach anyone to suck eggs!