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Davidedgarjones

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OS paper maps out of date?
« on: 10:41:40, 26/09/19 »
I'm currently planning a Bleaklow walk which takes in Higher Shelf Stones and Jame's Thorn on the return to Glossop. My OS online map subscription shows a path for this route.
When I look at my latest Dark Peak OL1 paper map purchased last year, I see that it is dated 2015 as the reprint date (with new cover) but it was last revised in 2010. The current map for sale on the OS website has a new/different cover but as far as I can see from the information on the OS website for this sheet no mapping revision date is provided.
Although I have my routes plotted on my phone I don't rely on it and tend to use it for back-up. So I always have a paper map with me marked up with my route.
So it seems that the OS marketing people can get away with a old map boasting a new cover - tempting people to think they are getting up to date mapping?
Sharp practice?
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Re: OS paper maps out of date?
« Reply #1 on: 11:06:20, 26/09/19 »
I've no doubt that there will be some minor changes, new roads and housing estates in urban areas, and occasionally something of minor relevance to the walker, but the hills remain the same.


18 months or so ago I used an ancient 2 1/2" to the mile map of the NE Lakes, with the contours in feet. Some of the cartography around craggy areas was a bit sketchy, but it didn't stop me having a good day on the hill. And the landlord of the Brotherswater Inn was most interested!

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Re: OS paper maps out of date?
« Reply #2 on: 11:08:26, 26/09/19 »
As to whether it is sharp practice - No, I don't think so. They have to regularly update the maps to reflect the changes that take place in our increasingly urbanised land.


But the only time that I would replace a map is when the old one falls apart.

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Re: OS paper maps out of date?
« Reply #3 on: 11:55:40, 26/09/19 »
A couple of years back I met a guy in the Lakes and noted his map cover was a bit different to mine, colour I think. We looked more closely and I saw his map was bought for 7/6, i,e seven shillings and sixpence. Still usable -well he did

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« Reply #4 on: 12:07:48, 26/09/19 »
The best way to get up to date OS mapping is to go digital.  The OS app gives you UK cover with latest maps for an annual subscription.  While the hills don't change I have been caught out in mt predigital days by using an old version of a map.  First time was on Dartmoor in thick fog. I hit a reservoir which wasn't on the version of the map I had been given - very disconcerting.  Second incident above Swaledale was less critical - the line of the paths on the map did not reflect reality on the ground, the next version had them in right place.
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Re: OS paper maps out of date?
« Reply #5 on: 13:30:44, 26/09/19 »
The best way to get up to date OS mapping is to go digital.  The OS app gives you UK cover with latest maps for an annual subscription.  While the hills don't change I have been caught out in mt predigital days by using an old version of a map.  First time was on Dartmoor in thick fog. I hit a reservoir which wasn't on the version of the map I had been given - very disconcerting.  Second incident above Swaledale was less critical - the line of the paths on the map did not reflect reality on the ground, the next version had them in right place.
I haven`t checked but do we know if the planned update to the OS app has been successful yet.? They were originally planning to update it last week but the last I heard it should have been yesterday after many delays and problems with the app crashing on some devices.
I enjoy being back home after a great walk in a desolate place, at times nervous, thinking maybe I`m pushing it here, but then so glad I did ! :)

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Re: OS paper maps out of date?
« Reply #6 on: 13:39:25, 26/09/19 »

I haven`t checked but do we know if the planned update to the OS app has been successful yet.? They were originally planning to update it last week but the last I heard it should have been yesterday after many delays and problems with the app crashing on some devices.
  This morning the app carried a message saying that V2.0 was now being rolled out.  It is going to be phased.  I cannot get the message to repeat.  I am still getting odd messages about a synchronisation error and a recovery check.  It appears to be working though.  I might try a reinstall later and see what happens.


Edit:  I have just trawled the support page and the what's new page on the OS maps app website - not a peep on the upgrade.  Poor form IMHO


Edit to my edit:  They must have read my post there is a message there now.

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    Re: OS paper maps out of date?
    « Reply #7 on: 13:42:58, 26/09/19 »
    Going back to the OP, yes, definitely out of date.
    The hills might remain the same, as a couple of you have said, but on my walks in north Wales my navigation is often made uncertain by blocks of conifers on the hills that are not marked on the map.
    It has happened to me in the past and it happened to me a week ago.
    I know such conifers are fast growing and I know my paper maps might be a few years old, but it is plain to me from the maturity of the trees that they must have been there long before the date of my map.
    In fact with my latest walk fresh in my mind I have just now compared the area with the 1:25k map on Bing - which I presume uses the most up-to-date version - and it is exactly the same as my dated paper map, it does not show the bits of forest that confused me. 

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    « Reply #8 on: 13:50:10, 26/09/19 »
    I have that too in reverse - woods that were there but aren't anymore or have changed shape.
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    Re: OS paper maps out of date?
    « Reply #9 on: 16:06:58, 26/09/19 »
    My bugbear with OS maps is the number of paths on the ground which do not appear on OS maps.

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    « Reply #10 on: 16:24:00, 26/09/19 »
    My bugbear with OS maps is the number of paths on the ground which do not appear on OS maps.
    Open source maps such as CacheMapsUK or Freizeitkarte show some of them.  Outside wooded areas, GoogleEarth, Ordnance Survey Aerial, ViewRanger Aerial  or Bing Aerial images are best for spotting missing paths. If one uses ViewRanger, GoogleEarth or the OS app, one can plot routes using these paths.
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    Re: OS paper maps out of date?
    « Reply #11 on: 16:52:35, 26/09/19 »
    I have that too in reverse - woods that were there but aren't anymore or have changed shape.

    That's a bit like the fly walking on a bald man's head. Addressing his grandson, he said "I can remember when there was just a path through the forest here!"

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    « Reply #12 on: 17:16:22, 26/09/19 »
    When I started back walking, only 5 years ago, I used my original OS map last used for ten tors training in 1981.  Worked perfectly well up on Dartmoor 40 years after it was printed.  Little changes up on the moors.  Though someone did build a wacking great wall and flood much of Bodmin moor in the mean time. One other important thing to note, magnetic North changed much over those years.  Happily I picked up on that one.
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    « Reply #13 on: 17:34:14, 26/09/19 »
    I was on an Outward Bound course  in 66 running on a bearing on S Dartmoor and ended up in the Avon Dam Reservoir. My map was about 10 years old which was a shame as the dam was finished in 57.  Nothing like an unscheduled large body of water to spoil your confidence as a budding solo navigator.  :-\
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    « Reply #14 on: 20:11:13, 26/09/19 »
    Open source maps such as CacheMapsUK or Freizeitkarte show some of them.  Outside wooded areas, GoogleEarth, Ordnance Survey Aerial, ViewRanger Aerial  or Bing Aerial images are best for spotting missing paths. If one uses ViewRanger, GoogleEarth or the OS app, one can plot routes using these paths.


    Yes indeed, and this is what I do, I just wish OS showed them!