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Barmy_Army

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Hardshell
« on: 16:24:28, 18/11/19 »
Hello again, after the wonderful advice received a few weeks back in my general winter hiking gear thread I've saved a lot of money and hassle regarding layers for winter hiking. However, I'm still stuck searching for a hardshell jacket.


I was tempted by the Rab Downpour - but comments about pertex [compared with GTX and e-vent] are putting me off.
I also found a 3-layer e-vent jacket [Fjern orkan ] on sports pursuit - which sounds more robust, but I've not heard of the brand.


If anyone has any other suggestions up to about 140 or owns either of these two jackets, I would love to hear it!




gunwharfman

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Re: Hardshell
« Reply #1 on: 18:17:49, 18/11/19 »
When you write hardshell I presume you mean a waterproof jacket? Sometimes I get very confused as to what these words actually mean?

gunwharfman

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« Reply #2 on: 18:21:01, 18/11/19 »
I Googled 'define hardshell jacket' and it came back as a waterproof/windproof jacket. My jacket cost me 15 and works almost perfectly.

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Re: Hardshell
« Reply #3 on: 20:19:01, 18/11/19 »
I would recommend Mountain Equipment, I have two of their jackets and they're both excellent. The first one I got is a Firefox jacket very lightweight at 385g. I got it mainly for long backpacking trips. I've had it five years and it's been reliabley waterproof even in persist day after day rain.


As it's so lightweight I was concerned it could wear where the heavy rucksack straps rub over the shoulders. So, I brought a second jacket a Karakorum jacket, made of a slightly heavier gore-tex but still only 685g for a XL. This one I mainly use as my winter jacket, for walking, climbing and skiing in the Highlands. So far the Firefox jacket hasn't worn as much as I'd feared.


The Karakorum jacket has been replaced by the Lhotse jacket, I think. The newer Firefox jackets have an "active fit" i.e. tight on a racing snake, so better try one on before buying. The other jackets in their range also have a good reputation. Before I got the Firefox I had an older Mountain Equipment jacket for over twenty years. Unlike GWM I find it is worth paying for quality.


I've not tried e'vent but Rab clothing also has an excellent reputation.

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Re: Hardshell
« Reply #4 on: 21:52:33, 18/11/19 »
The Mountain Equipment Lhotse jacket is a great bit of kit, but rather beyond your budget at 300, Barmy.

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Re: Hardshell
« Reply #5 on: 08:57:39, 19/11/19 »
If you can find the budget.  Mountain Equipment do some great lightweight bomb proof hard shell jackets. I am no label man, but after waisting my hard earned on three cheap, so called waterproof jackets, that all leeked, I shelled out, (see what I did there), on a ME Janak Jacket and it has been just amazing.

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Re: Hardshell
« Reply #6 on: 09:45:49, 19/11/19 »
It is my opinion that staying dry is not the be-all and end-all of anyone's hiking experience. I cannot of course call upon any formal research to support my view, I have only my own experience to go by, but I maintain that rain does not happen as much as some people/organisations believe or suggest. So if I just take my personal experience of the last 10 years, I had days when it rained, I had days when it rained hard and possibly I had days when it rained all-day as well, but my memory of those days tells me that it rarely if ever rained at the same intensity all of the time. So from my viewpoint and learning from my past experience, shelling out as I did about 7-8 years ago over 200 for a keep-me-dry-jacket (which didn't keep me dry, I was still wet inside through condensation) was just a waste of money! And don't forget, even after buying the jacket I then had to add the cost of how to keep my legs and bum dry as well.

So I decided to beat rain at the cheapest and most effective cost that I could think of and to spend the money that I'd saved on more important items of clothing, that is when it's dry and not raining. If I want to buy another expensive jacket I can, but for me, the question is, what is the point? When its raining I don't care what I look like I just want to be dry!

My jacket is not perfect but it does the job well, for me its just a prototype, to prove to myself that my thinking and practice is sound. I hope that one day I can find the real jacket that I am looking for, properly designed for wet weather rather than, as I see it being a fashion statement for me. The nearest answer to what I am looking for at the moment is the Marmot Precip, single skinned, cheapish,  but for me as a design is just a bit too short! I would still need to purchase something extra to keep my legs dry.


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Re: Hardshell
« Reply #7 on: 09:53:42, 19/11/19 »
The Mountain Equipment Lhotse jacket is a great bit of kit, but rather beyond your budget at 300, Barmy.


Ouch!! Didn't know they'd gone up that much. I only paid that much for both jackets.

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Re: Hardshell
« Reply #8 on: 17:44:05, 19/11/19 »

Ouch!! Didn't know they'd gone up that much. I only paid that much for both jackets.

370 on the ME website, best I have seen online recently is 295 at Gaynors.

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Re: Hardshell
« Reply #9 on: 20:10:31, 19/11/19 »
I have a Rab Downpour jacket. I bought it in Nov 18 I think. The first time I wore it in rain it didn't seem to be very waterproof and I was not impressed with it. I have used it in rain since (quite a few times  ;D) and apart from the pockets filling up with water the rest of it has performed better and I've been dry underneath it except for the wrist area of my sleeves. I have killed two phones though so if you do buy one do not keep your phone in the pockets! Would I recommend it? I'm not sure tbh, I don't know if I would buy another one even though I have kept using it for a year. It does absorb water and becomes very heavy when it rains for any length of time. I haven't felt the need to go and buy a replacement yet so I might need another year using it to give you a better answer  ;)
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Re: Hardshell
« Reply #10 on: 09:31:23, 20/11/19 »
It is my opinion that staying dry is not the be-all and end-all of anyone's hiking experience. I cannot of course call upon any formal research to support my view, I have only my own experience to go by, but I maintain that rain does not happen as much as some people/organisations believe or suggest. So if I just take my personal experience of the last 10 years, I had days when it rained, I had days when it rained hard and possibly I had days when it rained all-day as well, but my memory of those days tells me that it rarely if ever rained at the same intensity all of the time. So from my viewpoint and learning from my past experience, shelling out as I did about 7-8 years ago over 200 for a keep-me-dry-jacket (which didn't keep me dry, I was still wet inside through condensation) was just a waste of money! And don't forget, even after buying the jacket I then had to add the cost of how to keep my legs and bum dry as well.

So I decided to beat rain at the cheapest and most effective cost that I could think of and to spend the money that I'd saved on more important items of clothing, that is when it's dry and not raining. If I want to buy another expensive jacket I can, but for me, the question is, what is the point? When its raining I don't care what I look like I just want to be dry!

My jacket is not perfect but it does the job well, for me its just a prototype, to prove to myself that my thinking and practice is sound. I hope that one day I can find the real jacket that I am looking for, properly designed for wet weather rather than, as I see it being a fashion statement for me. The nearest answer to what I am looking for at the moment is the Marmot Precip, single skinned, cheapish,  but for me as a design is just a bit too short! I would still need to purchase something extra to keep my legs dry.
In the summer I would agree with you.  Even if you are wet through you should be able to keep warm by simply walking.  In the winter I completely disagree.  Staying dry is very important, it really doesn't take that long to die of hypothermia on a British mountain in mid winter.  As a winter surfer of 25+ seasons being cold and wet is something I do no a fair bit about.  It's a lot warmer out at sea than on a mountain top and even with the best modern wetsuits 4 or 5 hours and your getting dangerous cold.